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[MiX]

i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.

Well, I have the same role as LaLight.

Did you target me last night?

How about let's lynch skip/mail-mi because scum was on Awaclus, and there was no reason for scum to push Awaclus if they were both town? I like this plan.

[faust]

i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.

Well, I have the same role as LaLight.

Did you target me last night?

How about let's lynch skip/mail-mi because scum was on Awaclus, and there was no reason for scum to push Awaclus if they were both town? I like this plan.

Yes.

It's not the worst idea ever, do you still prefer skip?

[MiX]

I'm voting for mail-mi right now but I can go for either.

Why me?

[faust]

I'm voting for mail-mi right now but I can go for either.

Why me?

Reasons. I think I don't quite want to tell because it may reveal something about the item, but it was something you said.

[Joseph2302]

so, unless i misread and/or forgot something, no one needs an item I have. weird

Probably I do then. My clue was somewhat cryptic

[mail-mi]

i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.

Well, I have the same role as LaLight.

Did you target me last night?

How about let's lynch skip/mail-mi because scum was on Awaclus, and there was no reason for scum to push Awaclus if they were both town? I like this plan.

Why? I mean, we have no reason to assume one of us is scum anymore. I don't think Skip is scum anymore, at least, because the only big reason I was scumreading him was the 1v1.

[faust]

i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.

Well, I have the same role as LaLight.

Did you target me last night?

How about let's lynch skip/mail-mi because scum was on Awaclus, and there was no reason for scum to push Awaclus if they were both town? I like this plan.

Why? I mean, we have no reason to assume one of us is scum anymore. I don't think Skip is scum anymore, at least, because the only big reason I was scumreading him was the 1v1.

I assume that someone is scum; why isn't it you?

[mail-mi]

i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.

Well, I have the same role as LaLight.

Did you target me last night?

How about let's lynch skip/mail-mi because scum was on Awaclus, and there was no reason for scum to push Awaclus if they were both town? I like this plan.

Why? I mean, we have no reason to assume one of us is scum anymore. I don't think Skip is scum anymore, at least, because the only big reason I was scumreading him was the 1v1.

I assume that someone is scum; why isn't it you?

Because the text in my QT is green.

[scolapasta]

Stream of Conscious post:

I'm not sure how, without revealing more than what we want, we need to figure out if pairs are actually a thing.

I also don't think anyone should answers faust's fruit question until he answers it himself. As I see this as another possible scum gambit re: pairs. i.e. if someone else says they got fruit, he could say he also got it, and since Awaclus is gone, there's no way to confirm if that's truthful.

Though trying to sell pairs is a dangerous gambit as once we confirm there are not (if that's the case), we'd have several lynch targets. SO I don't know. I still think it's worth trying to learn though.

Other reasons I doubt pairs:

My item did not seem like an item that would be doubled (i.e. it was not a one word thing like rope or codebook). Neither does the codebook that skip had / joth got.

And the flavor text here (though, I'm not sure how much relevance flavor text should have):

"I swear, I just need some rope to tie up my horse," said the cowboy.
"Wait, a minute, I need rope to hang the curtain back stage at my theater!" said the director.

Seems to imply same item for different purposes. So one thing worth thinking about, is there a standard mafia role that would use the rope, such that skip felt he had to claim paired sailors?

[MiX]

The flavor is just based on what we say at Day. Looking at it is quite literally confirmation bias.

There could easily be a sailor that works for the mafia. That seems to be the flavor in this game.

[Eevee]

Very confusing, I really have no idea what's going on. I feel others have a better grasp on what the setup/our roles look like, and everyone is giving only a little bit of the information away.

[faust]

I also don't think anyone should answers faust's fruit question until he answers it himself. As I see this as another possible scum gambit re: pairs. i.e. if someone else says they got fruit, he could say he also got it, and since Awaclus is gone, there's no way to confirm if that's truthful.

I'm confused as to how this gambit is supposed to help scum!me. Also Awaclus was lynched, so I'm pretty sure he never used his Night action.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm trying to process all of the information that's being revealed. I think I get where faust is coming from with the fruit thing; I did not receive fruit last night

I also don't think we're looking at a game where 50% of the players are scum. If we find that we have say three matching pairs, that might make things very easy for us

[scolapasta]

The flavor is just based on what we say at Day. Looking at it is quite literally confirmation bias.

There could easily be a sailor that works for the mafia. That seems to be the flavor in this game.

Sure, but this was flavor only after we knew there were two people for the rope. So this fits that. But it does specifically imply two different needs for the rope at a time when neither mail-mi or skip told us their specific need.

Not saying this is definitive in any way, but since we have townslip and scumslip, why not modslip?

[scolapasta]

I also don't think anyone should answers faust's fruit question until he answers it himself. As I see this as another possible scum gambit re: pairs. i.e. if someone else says they got fruit, he could say he also got it, and since Awaclus is gone, there's no way to confirm if that's truthful.

I'm confused as to how this gambit is supposed to help scum!me. Also Awaclus was lynched, so I'm pretty sure he never used his Night action.

Hmm, I was about t to respond that passing items happens before night actions. Then I realized that passing fruit is a mafia game standard night action, and not the passing of items that this game involves.

i.e. my initial reason of thinking this was a scum gambit is incorrect.

[faust]

The flavor is just based on what we say at Day. Looking at it is quite literally confirmation bias.

There could easily be a sailor that works for the mafia. That seems to be the flavor in this game.

So it's like... pirates?!

[MiX]

The flavor is just based on what we say at Day. Looking at it is quite literally confirmation bias.

There could easily be a sailor that works for the mafia. That seems to be the flavor in this game.

So it's like... pirates?!

Uh...not really? Just a sailor that happens to work for the mafia. That's what I'm expecting one of them to flip as.

[LaLight]

so, unless i misread and/or forgot something, no one needs an item I have. weird

You can’t use it? It seems like it would be useful to someone

nothing I can do with it.

[LaLight]

I didn't receive a fruit. vote: mail-mi

[Eevee]

I tried to give mail-mi the rope, but I was somehow blocked and the rope was stolen from me. I think it's probable whoever stole the rope is scum, and that they aren't the same faction as mail-mi (why would they stop me from giving him the rope if they were?), reinforcing my belief that mail-mi is probably town.

[mail-mi]

I tried to give mail-mi the rope, but I was somehow blocked and the rope was stolen from me. I think it's probable whoever stole the rope is scum, and that they aren't the same faction as mail-mi (why would they stop me from giving him the rope if they were?), reinforcing my belief that mail-mi is probably town.

Can confirm, I did not receive any rope.

[MiX]

I tried to give mail-mi the rope, but I was somehow blocked and the rope was stolen from me. I think it's probable whoever stole the rope is scum, and that they aren't the same faction as mail-mi (why would they stop me from giving him the rope if they were?), reinforcing my belief that mail-mi is probably town.

How would scum know that you were giving it to mail-mi and not skip?

[Eevee]

I assumed that it was more likely that mail-mi was targeted than that I was. Could be the other way around as well.

[MiX]

I assumed that it was more likely that mail-mi was targeted than that I was. Could be the other way around as well.

So you assumed skip is scum?

[Eevee]

I think both town is possible.I reread both during the night, didn't think either was all that scummy.