3 Mafia:
Anger Core (Goon)
Turret (Goon)
Cave Johnson (1-shot Psychotrooper)
10 Town:
Chell (1-shot Commuting Innocent Child)
Curiosity Core (3-shot Alignment Cop)
8 Vanilla Cores (Vanilla Townies)
3 Mafia:
Anger Core: Flavor Copping 2-shot Roleblocker
Turret: 2-shot Rolestopping 1-shot Ninja
Cave Johnson: Cop Enabling 1-shot Psychotrooper
10 Town:
Chell: 1-shot Commuting Innocent Child
Curiosity Core: 3-shot Alignment Cop
Rick, the Adventure Sphere: Tracker
Doug Rattmann: Watcher
Intelligence Core: Doctor
Wheatley: Roleblocker
Space Core: Universal Backup
3 Vanilla Cores
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Remember before when I was talking about smelly garbage standing around being useless? That was a metaphor. I was actually talking about you.
You are a Vanilla Core. You are a useless piece of whirring machinery that can't actually do anything, including be killed by my neurotoxin. I'm frankly surprised you can even speak.
Please /confirm by replying to this message.
I'm /in
Because i'm a potato.
Why is Wheatley good and we don't have GLADoS? :)
I'm gonna used plenties of quotes, guys. Sorry =)Don't worry, I will too.
I'm gonna used plenties of quotes, guys. Sorry =)Don't worry, I will too.
Gotta go to Spaaaaaaaaaaaace :-)
Gotta go to Spaaaaaaaaaaaace :-)
Is that an /in?
Is this fairly newbie-friendly?
When does this game fully begin?When signups are full
When does this game fully begin?
Dang I got ninja'd by RR, still mine was wittier.There's a 90-93% chance you just confused him
I would in because flavor, but way too busy :'(
/in
hi! I'm a newbie here, but I've played lots of mafia URL and I think I'll be able to sort things out :)
Also, I'm acquainted with LaLight IRL and he convinced me to try. I hope I will be okay!
Thanks in advance, nice to meet you all, guys!
/in
hi! I'm a newbie here, but I've played lots of mafia URL and I think I'll be able to sort things out :)
Also, I'm acquainted with LaLight IRL and he convinced me to try. I hope I will be okay!
Thanks in advance, nice to meet you all, guys!
Absolutely /in|/in|
Gotta go to Spaaaaaaaaaaaace :-)
Is that an /in?
It's currently a strongly tempted maybe :-)
Gotta go to Spaaaaaaaaaaaace :-)
Is that an /in?
It's currently a strongly tempted maybe :-)
To quote the space core, "Gotta [/in], Gotta [/in]. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey lady. Let's [play this game]"
Yay, 2 left!
/.................tag!
Watch out for Lalight, everyone. He wants you to think he's
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but really he's
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There is FIVE people tagged./Tag
well that settles it.
/in
/Induuuuuuddddeeeee....
/In
/InWoah!
So... who's Robz?
So... who's Robz?I've seen Robz described as the heart and soul of f.ds forum mafia. I believe they started the whole thing, or at least were instrumental in the early days. A big deal, basically.
Also, he's exceptionally good at it. Like basically, we should just lynch him D1.
Also, he's exceptionally good at it. Like basically, we should just lynch him D1.Urrrrr.... Good players can be good at being town too, buddy :P
Also, he's exceptionally good at it. Like basically, we should just lynch him D1.Urrrrr.... Good players can be good at being town too, buddy :P
You do that.Also, he's exceptionally good at it. Like basically, we should just lynch him D1.Urrrrr.... Good players can be good at being town too, buddy :P
Okay, so you'd rather we lynch you D1, then?
So... who's Robz?I've seen Robz described as the heart and soul of f.ds forum mafia. I believe they started the whole thing, or at least were instrumental in the early days. A big deal, basically.
Jotheonah and Frisk were like, ears and legs or something.
I guess I never considered myself one of the old guys. I'm like new old stock. I believe my first game was MVI (roman numerals FTW).
I'll claim the bald spot on top of the head as my anatomy analogy.
(Admittedly, my memory has started to fade over the last five years and 80 games...)
/tag
(http://combineoverwiki.net/images/thumb/9/91/Corrupt_core_neutral_clean.png/250px-Corrupt_core_neutral_clean.png)
Remember before when I was talking about smelly garbage standing around being useless? That was a metaphor. I was actually talking about you.
You are a Vanilla Core. You are a useless piece of whirring machinery that can't actually do anything, including be killed by my neurotoxin. I'm frankly surprised you can even speak.
Please /confirm by replying to this message.
Thread locked except for tags./tag
Here we go
vote: Spaaaaaaaaaaace cause they are universal scum
vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
...
That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.
Sleep now. Night all!
vote: Robzvote: robz
That last thing you said in the scum QT was scummy.
vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
...
That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.
Sleep now. Night all!
I'm not even angry...
I'm being so sincere right now:
Vote: Haddock
Ooh, PPS is in this game? Sorry, Space, you can have my vote back later.vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
...
That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.
Sleep now. Night all!
I'm not even angry...
I'm being so sincere right now:
Vote: Haddock
This is something I can get behind! Vote: Haddock
Ooh, PPS is in this game? Sorry, Space, you can have my vote back later.
vote: PPS
I'm curious to see whether PPS will succeed, as in the past, in driving me a bit nuts by tunnelling me for no reason.
That was like 4 days ago. I don't remember such things.Ooh, PPS is in this game? Sorry, Space, you can have my vote back later.
vote: PPS
I'm curious to see whether PPS will succeed, as in the past, in driving me a bit nuts by tunnelling me for no reason.
You're seriously going to act like you didn't know I was in the game when we directly interacted before game start concerning Robz' presence and you explicitly told me to lynch you D1?
About Robz', he feels as I do D1 is pretty much a useless waste except he won't participate whereas I think it actually is worth playing D1 for later analysis.
First! Vote: Jake for being scumVote: Roadrunner for being scummest
First! Vote: Jake for being scumVote: Roadrunner for being scummest
I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.I'm a multi-game vet! 24 games under my belt, and I'm really bad at Mafia. But I have fun, and I like to think I'm fun to play with.
In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.
I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?
I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.I played m84, m85, bm24 and am currently taking part in another game.
In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.
I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?
I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.
In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.
I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?
Ooh, PPS is in this game? Sorry, Space, you can have my vote back later.vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
...
That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.
Sleep now. Night all!
I'm not even angry...
I'm being so sincere right now:
Vote: Haddock
This is something I can get behind! Vote: Haddock
vote: PPS
I'm curious to see whether PPS will succeed, as in the past, in driving me a bit nuts by tunnelling me for no reason.
I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.
In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.
I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?
Sorry, forum keeps going down. But we're still in RVS so it's all god
I was reading that and I was like 'is that a joke? What is J Reggie on?' But then I was like 'Ayyyyyyy' so it's all goodSorry, forum keeps going down. But we're still in RVS so it's all god
That sounds like a discussion for RSP.
So I've been thinking and I'm pretty sure no PRs besides the cop should claim D1. The cop shouldn't claim results until D3. If a scum PR flips, then the associated PR can and probably should claim.
So I've been thinking and I'm pretty sure no PRs besides the cop should claim D1. The cop shouldn't claim results until D3. If a scum PR flips, then the associated PR can and probably should claim.
I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.This is my first game but I've played mafia elsewhere and
In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.
I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?
Well, they should claim if L-1'ed, yes?i have been wondering what the idea is behind that axiom. is it that people who get to l-1 are under high suspicion, and thus the benefit afforded to the town knowing more information about the person outweighs the benefit of scum to be able to nk a pr, since they were likely to die anyway? if so then i would generally think it's less worth doing d1, because there isn't actually much suspicion, and getting to l-1 doesn't mean as much
So I've been thinking and I'm pretty sure no PRs besides the cop should claim D1. The cop shouldn't claim results until D3. If a scum PR flips, then the associated PR can and probably should claim.
Well, they should claim if L-1'ed, yes?
Well, they should claim if L-1'ed, yes?i have been wondering what the idea is behind that axiom. is it that people who get to l-1 are under high suspicion, and thus the benefit afforded to the town knowing more information about the person outweighs the benefit of scum to be able to nk a pr, since they were likely to die anyway? if so then i would generally think it's less worth doing d1, because there isn't actually much suspicion, and getting to l-1 doesn't mean as much
oh, anyway, back to the intuitive
vote: j reggie
i don't think you know what intuitive meansoh, anyway, back to the intuitive
vote: j reggie
How is that intuitive?
I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.
In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.
I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?
oh, anyway, back to the intuitive
vote: j reggie
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Your vote still didn't work. Just take this as a hint that you shouldn't be voting for me ;)I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.This is my first game but I've played mafia elsewhere and
In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.
I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?(http://Vote Roadrunner)
Hi everyone!
This is my first game, I've got no experience (except real mafia of course) so you've got the most useless innocent child you've ever met :)
according to my sixth sense i'm going to vote: silverspawn
Hi everyone!
This is my first game, I've got no experience (except real mafia of course) so you've got the most useless innocent child you've ever met :)
according to my sixth sense i'm going to vote: silverspawn
Sheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight
how do you know you're town? is it because you know everyone's alignme- waitSheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight
voting me is scummy (cause I'm town obviously)! vote: JReggie
how do you know you're town? is it because you know everyone's alignme- waitSheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight
voting me is scummy (cause I'm town obviously)! vote: JReggie
Sheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight
nohow do you know you're town? is it because you know everyone's alignme- waitSheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight
voting me is scummy (cause I'm town obviously)! vote: JReggie
Do you know it?
Hi guys, I'm replacing ii. Could somone give me a rundown on what is going on?
Dumb idea.Hi guys, I'm replacing ii. Could somone give me a rundown on what is going on?
We're lynching J Reggie.
Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?Yep. Making sense in RVS is scummy vote: SA
Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo
Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?Yep. Making sense in RVS is scummy vote: SA
Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo
Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?Yep. Making sense in RVS is scummy vote: SA
Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo
It's not rvs. vote: calamitas
vote: JakeWhy?
Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?
Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo
Why me?Why not you?
I am innocentProve it.
Vote: RoadrunnerYay you figured out how to vote! You also figured out OMGUS
i would say that baseball > scout + bird.I thought we were out of RVS :-\
vote: roadrunner
? That doesn't make sense
vote: jake
baseball < roadkill
What's going on here? vote: Jake vote: schadd vote: roadrunner rvs was over.What did I do? I didn't encourage this nonsense! I asked some basic questions to Jake.
You brutally attacked me trying to make me into scum you scum Vote: RoadrunnerWhat's going on here? vote: Jake vote: schadd vote: roadrunner rvs was over.What did I do? I didn't encourage this nonsense! I asked some basic questions to Jake.
vote: JakeWhy?
Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?
Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo
This is scummy. SA's last game is plenty proof that experience has practically nothing to do with much of anything. All it means is the less you've been seen the less meta we have on you.
Ugh. I'm tossing up here. First I was just gonna say that this is PPS's usual bullshit.Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?
Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo
This is scummy. SA's last game is plenty proof that experience has practically nothing to do with much of anything. All it means is the less you've been seen the less meta we have on you.
Ugh. I'm tossing up here. First I was just gonna say that this is PPS's usual bullshit.Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?
Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo
This is scummy. SA's last game is plenty proof that experience has practically nothing to do with much of anything. All it means is the less you've been seen the less meta we have on you.
Then I thought maybe he's right, this kind of forced-helpful listmaking early on can be scummy.
Then I thought, wait, no I don't agree with that at all, that's always been a crap argument. It's particularly rubbish when applied to Space.
So yeah, this is a crap argument.
Vote: Roadrunner
Vote: Roadrunner
Okay, do any of the vets here know if accusing the one who accuses you is scummy?
Vote: Roadrunner
Okay, do any of the vets here know if accusing the one who accuses you is scummy?
Just to help cement PomPomSan's read on me, here's some more maybe-but-not-necessarily meta-relevant facts/conjecture.I'm 16 and in my final school year ;)
People who know each other IRL:
1) Jake and RR
2) LL and Fargo
3) me and Haddock
People who are high-school age: RR, McGarnacle, probably Jake?
I'm reading the rest of you as twenty-something students or young professional types, except for PPS, because I think he has kids, so by default he's a grumpy forty-year-old in my head :-)
I'm 16 and in my final school year ;)
Haha thanks :DI'm 16 and in my final school year ;)
Wait, you're in both the "highschool" bucket and yet also the "non-native speaker whose English is functional enough not to cause problems" bucket at the same time? That's impressive :-)
Haha thanks :D
Though I still like my vote on you :P
There's what I say and then what I do. People tend to react far more to the former which is why I say those things. What I do has far more bearing on my role and alignment, however."i made a kind of silly argument against sa that would also apply to like everyone else. but i didn't act on it, so you guys can't scumread me on it"
I'm reading the rest of you as twenty-something students or young professional typesyes definitely one of those i am
Just to help cement PomPomSan's read on me, here's some more maybe-but-not-necessarily meta-relevant facts/conjecture.
People who know each other IRL:
1) Jake and RR
2) LL and Fargo
3) me and Haddock
People who are high-school age: RR, McGarnacle, probably Jake?
I'm reading the rest of you as twenty-something students or young professional types, except for PPS, because I think he has kids, so by default he's a grumpy forty-year-old in my head :-)
Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.Why would you vote for someone because they're good and look towny?
Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.Why would you vote for someone because they're good and look towny?
Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.
Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.
Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.
Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd
Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.
Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.
Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd
It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.
Lalight seems to me rather fussy. Though he might be a townie who is testing the reaction of other players, he had revoted three times. vote: Lalight
Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.Why would you vote for someone because they're good and look towny?
Or looked like that's what PPS was trying to do with SpaceAnemone.
see, the thing that generally makes one 'scummy' is if something they do in this thread (voting, producing arguments) might cause an innocent person to be lynched. the thing that you said gives that impression to me: attempting to get other people to vote someone without wanting to seem like the one who started the wagon. are you suggesting that we not pay any attention to the things that you say? if so, you will generally not be helpful to have aroundRemember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.Why would you vote for someone because they're good and look towny?
Or looked like that's what PPS was trying to do with SpaceAnemone.
What I say and what I do. Different things, remember? Show me where I voted SA...
Vote: Roadrunner
Okay, do any of the vets here know if accusing the one who accuses you is scummy?
[...] voting someone because [...] they look towny isn't really helpful.
Looking scummy doesn't mean you are scum.
Thank you for that! :)Vote: Roadrunner
Okay, do any of the vets here know if accusing the one who accuses you is scummy?
Asking that is a fallacy.
People really need to get out of this mindset that there is some kind of objective "towny" behavior and some objective "scummy" behavior and that it is proper or polite and better for everyone when you ask about things beforehand to make sure you don't act "scummy" because that would somehow hurt town's chances. Or that some people play "scummy" but that doesn't mean they are scum because "scummy" is how they usually play. Maybe playing "towny" would be a scum tell for them then, yes? Let's stop there.
Scummy, as in scum-y means "indicative of scum," which means P(Posting|Scum) > P(Posting|Town), or in terms of natural language: you are more likely to post that thing as scum than you are as town. Exactly then is it scummy, and the same thing applies for town-y, only the other way.
Now clearly, this depends on the player. Therefore, nothing is "scummy" in general. There are only things which happen to be things that scum (mostly new scum) does more often than town. For those things, you can hope that they are scummy for someone based on that, but it's just a guess. Maybe you're wrong and they aren't.
If you accuse someone who accused you and you are town then it's probably towny for you. If people scumread you for things you do as town, it means that they are wrong about what is scummy for you, not that you did scummy things as town. This is always true. Even if you play a certain way as scum and then play a second game almost exactly the same way even though you're town and you get lynched for it, it is still the rest of the players who are wrong and you who is right. Whether it is your or their fault is a different question, and in that case it is probably yours.
You could try to research what is more often towny or scummy before you post to avoid town having to guess since they don't know better, but I advise that you don't, because as soon as you do, you prove that you are explicitly aware of it and then it almost certainly becomes null anyway. In fact doing that is anti-town for this reason; it makes what could otherwise have been a tell into a null thing, thereby making it harder for others to read your alignment (which is good for you if you are scum, bad for you if you are town, and bad for town in any case). Just go ahead and do stuff and hope town figures it out.
Everyone who read this will from now on earn scum points whenever he asks whether something is scummy before doing it.
Definitely pay attention to what I say. What SA did looked scummy to me. Looking scummy doesn't mean you are scum. Pointing it out creates discussion which is far more helpful than the RVS and demographics 80% of the game has been to date. I'm voting where I feel most confident there is scum. There's not much else I can say about that in the meantime.well, voting is helpful for town if for no other reason than it makes it easier to find your opinions when we reread, or to be able to get more information from vote count posts—and well from, my limited experience, those can be more revealing than the thread as a whole, like how a line of best fit is better than a scatter plot. my other point of evidence is that silverspawn and faust, who are Good Players, voted a lot day 1 last game.
I feel you, though, schadd, when several players start voting you your best option, as scum, is to start pitching better options than yourself.
Everyone who read this will from now on earn scum points whenever he asks whether something is scummy before doing it.i'm excited to maybe have a full game with you
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vote: JReggie for lack of a better choice.
Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.
Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.
Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd
It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.
It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.
Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.
Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.
Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd
It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.
It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.
I find this to be a weird post, mostly because I don't think I've ever experienced this difficulty, though I think I've said that I've been feeling this way--as scum--to explain away some odd interaction with a player as having to do with a previous game where we were scum together.
So I will leave my vote where it is.
Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.
Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.
Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd
It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.
It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.
I find this to be a weird post, mostly because I don't think I've ever experienced this difficulty, though I think I've said that I've been feeling this way--as scum--to explain away some odd interaction with a player as having to do with a previous game where we were scum together.
So I will leave my vote where it is.
Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.
Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.
Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd
It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.
It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.
I find this to be a weird post, mostly because I don't think I've ever experienced this difficulty, though I think I've said that I've been feeling this way--as scum--to explain away some odd interaction with a player as having to do with a previous game where we were scum together.
So I will leave my vote where it is.
Yeah, I also thought that was a weird post. Like why would he be feeling like he was my partner if he wasn't scum? But also why would he just go out there and say that as scum?
Let's vote: lalight.
Wait no ss was already voting me. Still, it's L-2. Like, is my new meta just to get a huge wagon D1?
Wait no ss was already voting me. Still, it's L-2. Like, is my new meta just to get a huge wagon D1?
The best thing for scum is to get a huge wagon on Day 1. Early wagons die, and then that person is often deemed "already vetted."
The worst thing for scum is to draw little notice until later days. My old saying was, on Day 3, lynch whomever hasn't had a wagon yet.
Vote: silverspawn I just have a gut feeling your scum
Vote: silverspawn I just have a gut feeling your scum
And this is the thing I don't like. Too many gut feelings actually. Looks like he just tries to mimic the other's behavior right in this post.
Vote: JTBG22
I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.
Before, but I didn't want to say anything. Want me to point out the certain post?I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.
Did you feel that way before I started the wagon, or only after?
Before, but I didn't want to say anything. Want me to point out the certain post?I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.
Did you feel that way before I started the wagon, or only after?
To me it looks like silverspawn is trying to target J Reggie but I haven't read everything so can someone tell me if J Reggie did something wrongWell this is completely wrong, since silver was just doing his usual thing of taking a stance (town on silver, btw, but then I always townread silver. Also, @silver, are you tunneling anyone yet? Semi-serious question.). I'm not sure I like this from Jake, but he's new. Not gonna take too much off it.
vote: JReggie for lack of a better choice.Eww. We've never played before McGarnacle, correct? Either way, this is not good; voting someone "for lack of a better choice" this early in D1 is just lazy.
Nyerp. This feels a bit forced. I find myself kind of understanding the J Reggie wagon, while not really fully agreeing with it. Reggie's done some odd things and I don't remember him being this odd. I just don't like big quick wagons happening so early. I hate D1.Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.
Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.
Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd
It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.
It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.
I find this to be a weird post, mostly because I don't think I've ever experienced this difficulty, though I think I've said that I've been feeling this way--as scum--to explain away some odd interaction with a player as having to do with a previous game where we were scum together.
So I will leave my vote where it is.
Yeah, I also thought that was a weird post. Like why would he be feeling like he was my partner if he wasn't scum? But also why would he just go out there and say that as scum?
Let's vote: lalight.
I have a thought.This is weak and overexplained. Not really a thing, either. I don't think scum are going to worry that much about PoE this early. It's all about how naturally you can find your way onto wagons. Maybe inexperienced scum think this way? But then inexperienced scum don't really think of PoE that much at all.
I think the scum is not on my wagon. Because ic voted me. So when i flip town it will be less people to choose from. So they are either not voting or on JReggie. In this case i want to unvote cause imo you vote for two townies. Tell me, if this is wrong
I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.Town on RR. This makes just the right amount of sense. That is to say, a little but not much.
I am innocentSo it was this. Since we're a bunch of stupid kids we do stuff like taking people's stuff then being like 'no, you must've dropped it!' Jake is notorious for using that line with a goofy smirk on his face, I think it's become like an instinct to him, so he just naturally posted that.
I have a thought.This is weak and overexplained. Not really a thing, either. I don't think scum are going to worry that much about PoE this early. It's all about how naturally you can find your way onto wagons. Maybe inexperienced scum think this way? But then inexperienced scum don't really think of PoE that much at all.
I think the scum is not on my wagon. Because ic voted me. So when i flip town it will be less people to choose from. So they are either not voting or on JReggie. In this case i want to unvote cause imo you vote for two townies. Tell me, if this is wrong
Nyerp. This feels a bit forced. I find myself kind of understanding the J Reggie wagon, while not really fully agreeing with it. Reggie's done some odd things and I don't remember him being this odd. I just don't like big quick wagons happening so early. I hate D1.I don't get a scummy vibe from the stuff LL is saying about finding his situation with J Reggie odd. I mean, PPS is here, and I've only ever encountered him before as a scumbuddy in NM8, and I'm town now, so I can see this coming from town!LL. However, I've learned that he's also really good at getting into a townie headspace when scum, so it's kind of null overall.
Just throwing this out there, but what do people think are the chances that this is Lalight and Reggie constructing something?Probably worth keeping in mind. I mean, JR seems townie enough (I almost always townread him, unfortunately), but he's yet to insist he's IC in this game, so maybe that's something to worry about?
This is weak and overexplained. Not really a thing, either. I don't think scum are going to worry that much about PoE this early. It's all about how naturally you can find your way onto wagons. Maybe inexperienced scum think this way? But then inexperienced scum don't really think of PoE that much at all.It's certainly something that people at my/LL's level of experience will worry about other people doing shortly after we've each played our first scum games. But yeah, I wouldn't discount an experienced player just because they're voting for the same person as the IC here.
I want to hear more from Space (I know, I've barely posted, hypocrisy hypocrisy). Not that I actually think I can read them better than anyone else, but I want to get a feel for forum!Space by comparison to IRL!Space.We are all Space :-)
Current scum reads are Jake and Lalight, prefer Lalight today mostly since they're more experienced.Yeah.. I'm not going to do my usual thing of jumping in to say how townie LL is, because he's smart enough to have had me fooled for a while in Ghibli, and I think him voting me earlier may have been a scumtell. But even as scum, he's going to say a bunch of town-useful stuff because of his helpful nature, so I think he's an odd pick for a D1 lynch.
vote: Lalight
oh also i guess it's sort of dependent on whether he's played mafia before. his introduction post made it sound like he didHe's played something similar to mafia but it wasn't as sophisticated, smart, strategic or as organized as it is on this forum.
Just because I'm townie and I was townie in Ghiblii don't think i said that, exactly
aight.
rude roaster: definitely trying!to!get!jake!into!the!game!rr. his other posts have been sorta detectivey so he's good
silverspleen: he is posting loudly, as ever. i'm sure other people are reading this in their respective ways, but he seems fine to me
lah light: the only game i've seen for him was a scumgame. and well, he doesn't look that different, but he didn't look especially bad in that game either. suffice to say, there'll be a couple things that i'm gonna look for.
pongpongpong: his split personality thing seems bad but uh reasonable; saying stuff is part of the fun of the game either way and it's nice to be able to do it without incriminating yourself. but, i mean, consider it in the context that he also tends to scumslip, apparently (i skimmed time loops). mild scum
jake the baseball god twenty two: has seemed, like, not too good. i think he ought to be able to get a footing before we tear into him, though.
fargoat: go nuts, dude! say things to test people, put em on the spot. nothing you say can go wrong.
calamities: hasn't really said much of note. null
space and moon: bit of a gut townread, although i suppose that's not how townreads are supposed to be. a bit more playful d1 than in ghibli, though.
j regular: see lalight, except, uh, i had a somewhat strong scumread on this guy. i am concerned that he just sounds like that, but in ghibli, he got a big wagon that fizzled and i didn't suspect it hard enough. i guess this applies to lalight as well.
roob zed ate: i uh definitely believe that he's an experienced player. has dropped a couple pieces of towny wisdom, which is nice.
hammork: testing people (ooh, one of them is me!) which is nice. mild town. excited to see how he meshes with the anemone (and all of the pairs of people that know each other)
mcgarnacular spectacular: dunno. can you post, like, 7 things one after another so we can get a sense of character?
i was gonna go back to voting j reggie (again) but i don't think he needs any push to say incriminating stuff. so let's try
vote: lalight
i think scum!gkrieg still gives good formatting advice. thanks bud
Lalight seems to me rather fussy. Though he might be a townie who is testing the reaction of other players, he had revoted three times. vote: LalightAnd that is my meta actually, nice to meet you! I always try to push the game through.
@silver, are you tunneling anyone yet? Semi-serious question.).sort-of JReggie
Just throwing this out there, but what do people think are the chances that this is Lalight and Reggie constructing something?infidestimastidatidululutotoro
Tell ya'll what. Imma hammer whoever gets to L-1. I love me some hammers.
Tell ya'll what. Imma hammer whoever gets to L-1. I love me some hammers.
Tell ya'll what. Imma hammer whoever gets to L-1. I love me some hammers.
That seems anti-town...
Also, also, the rule applies to myself as well.
how 'bout i'll hammer for you, thenAlso, also, the rule applies to myself as well.
And that is definitely anti town so case closed. Good job, you're a genius.
i think that attitude is kinda not so bad, it really just says that he's okay about the current wagons. although, uh, not giving whoever a chance to whatever would be kinda rude and stuff. but let's play the game where pps said not to necessarily trust what he says
Also, if it hits scum was it anti town?yes.
let's see if that principle applies to you vote: PPSi'm excited!
let's see if that principle applies to you vote: PPSi'm excited!
let's see if that principle applies to you vote: PPS
Just because I'm townie and I was townie in Ghibli and there I was scum you gonna lynch me.I come down on the side of this being frustrated town rather than caught-for-the-wrong-reasons scum, but it's actually close run thing. Need to think for a bit.
Wow.
This is beyond any sense. Look into any of 5 games I've played. I just try to think differently and do something fun and helpful. I can't understand people voting me out of the nowhere. Okay, lynch me, whatever. Just give me time to claim before hammering please.
And guys, I'm really sorry if i sounded angry/offensive in some way. Don't wanna be lynched D1 :(
And guys, I'm really sorry if i sounded angry/offensive in some way. Don't wanna be lynched D1 :(
You were posting at 8pm forum time, which is about 3am for you, right? I'm writing that off as a reason to sound stressed all on its own.
And then posting again at 2am forum time, so 9am for you. You know sleep is actually your friend, friend :-)
I don't like this. People should claim.vote: PPS
Just because I'm townie and I was townie in Ghibli and there I was scum you gonna lynch me.I come down on the side of this being frustrated town rather than caught-for-the-wrong-reasons scum, but it's actually close run thing. Need to think for a bit.
Wow.
This is beyond any sense. Look into any of 5 games I've played. I just try to think differently and do something fun and helpful. I can't understand people voting me out of the nowhere. Okay, lynch me, whatever. Just give me time to claim before hammering please.
Meantime, PPS is being PPS. Completely null.
You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright?
Well put.You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright?
I honestly wouldn't put it past you :-) You're an experienced player known for doing bold stuff, after all!
I do think you're missing the key aspect of the anti-town-ness of your proposed play, though, which is that you're hiding a lot more information about yourself by essentially promising not to act at all. We can't evaluate your voting choices as independent, possibly-alignment-indicative events if you make up a simple deterministic rule, broadcast that, and then refuse to budge from it.
and RR I don't do that IRLWhat? That's a blatant lie!
I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.What have I done to make you guys hate me???
I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.What have I done to make you guys hate me???
I don't have time to throw together my case, but just reread a bit Jake.I did I still don't understand RR explain your case
You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright?
I honestly wouldn't put it past you :-) You're an experienced player known for doing bold stuff, after all!
I do think you're missing the key aspect of the anti-town-ness of your proposed play, though, which is that you're hiding a lot more information about yourself by essentially promising not to act at all. We can't evaluate your voting choices as independent, possibly-alignment-indicative events if you make up a simple deterministic rule, broadcast that, and then refuse to budge from it.
Well put.You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright?
I honestly wouldn't put it past you :-) You're an experienced player known for doing bold stuff, after all!
I do think you're missing the key aspect of the anti-town-ness of your proposed play, though, which is that you're hiding a lot more information about yourself by essentially promising not to act at all. We can't evaluate your voting choices as independent, possibly-alignment-indicative events if you make up a simple deterministic rule, broadcast that, and then refuse to budge from it.
Also, PPS, you do stuff like this every game. I believe you're more than capable of emulating that meta. I think you're aware that people expect this kind of stuff from you. So yes. It could well be either scum you or town you. Hence, null.
Still, this is pretty dumb scum play. At least way dumber than as town.the statement disproves itself
Still, this is pretty dumb scum play. At least way dumber than as town.the statement disproves itself
well, anything that seems clumsy as scum will in turn give you townpoints, especially if you point it out.
but i mean the thing that you're doing doesn't actually have any net effect, it's just like saying one only needs 6 votes instead of 7. it is pro-town if the person targeted by whatever the wagon is will tend to be scum, but there isn't strong reason to assume that (and the thing that you're doing makes it less likely yet, since there is less time to iron the details out)
the reason that "cornering yourself into hammering a partner" doesn't make sense is that you're also cornering yourself into hammering a town. and well, since you're the one arbitrating, ultimately, if you're scum, you can choose to go back on yourself if your partner is targeted (i can imagine the post now; "i told you guys not to trust what i say"), but go through with it if it's a town ("i said i was gonna do it. it's your own fault").
so yeah, vote pps
Right, so you are the scum who can't help himself.what?
thanks, vote: ppsRight, so you are the scum who can't help himself.what?
i mean, should i let you do things that are bad? that thing that you definitely said is bad for town. which is what people lynch people forthanks, vote: ppsRight, so you are the scum who can't help himself.what?
Scum can't ignore trying to mislynch me because they can claim I was acting sooo anti-town despite it being D1 and largely irrelevant.
After reading through some old games I have realized that at this point i'm probably dead anyway with 6 votes on me so i'm just gonna tell my role and let you guys decide if it will benefit anyone to lynch a vanilla townie
See, I thought just the opposite. I usually claim VT as scum because setups are hard to read and I don't wanna mess up my fake claimThis is addressed to McGarnacle
vote: RRScum!me never tunnels, ever.
You tunnel Jake too hard imo.
vote: RRScum!me never tunnels, ever.
You tunnel Jake too hard imo.
Oh yeah, I change my playstyle every single game!vote: RRScum!me never tunnels, ever.
You tunnel Jake too hard imo.
And that's why now scum!you are doing this?
Claiming a PR would be awful and anti town. The thing is, his response seemed a little to conscious for a towny. I don't know his character, but generally speaking newb!townies (at least in my model of them) are more likely to sound like "Man, I'm really just a vanilla towny, it doesn't make sense to lynch me" and not "Since I'm likely to get lynched I will benefit town by telling my role and let them make decision based on that". But this might be way off, need rr to elaborate on Jakes character for that.After reading through some old games I have realized that at this point i'm probably dead anyway with 6 votes on me so i'm just gonna tell my role and let you guys decide if it will benefit anyone to lynch a vanilla townie
Seems to me like he would claim a PR if he really wanted to save himself, instead of claiming vanilla townie.
unvote for now.
One I'm not scum two baseballs don't bounce
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As someone who plays baseball, I can verify this.
That's L-2, which is effectively L-1.?
Cause of PPSThat's L-2, which is effectively L-1.?
Who is watching...You are watching!
:-\ :-\ :-\ I'm pretty sure i'm dead :-\ :-\ :-\Do something useful and maybe not. Who do you think is town? Who do you think is scum? Why? What can you bring to the table?
Jake sounds a little too confident here, but man I really do not like lynching a newbie D1.
Jake sounds a little too confident here, but man I really do not like lynching a newbie D1.
PPS looks like hes being targeted by schadd by i'm pretty sure that schadd is town and PPS is town so i think its just miscommunication between town J Reggie is kind of suspicious to me but not sure about him and i'm pretty sure that SA is town. Fargo doesn't talk so idk calamitas is alright but i'm not sure about him and McGranacle is probably town
Hmm, he could. But I don't think they would have said something like "just make bad hypotheses and forget important facts when under pressure". So it is probably intuitive.PPS looks like hes being targeted by schadd by i'm pretty sure that schadd is town and PPS is town so i think its just miscommunication between town J Reggie is kind of suspicious to me but not sure about him and i'm pretty sure that SA is town. Fargo doesn't talk so idk calamitas is alright but i'm not sure about him and McGranacle is probably town
I'd say this is scummy except that forgetting who the IC is is pretty towny. Do you think he could have been coached by partners about this?
Also Fargo needs to post more. Being an IC doesn't mean you get to be inactive.Yep, he is the one that can attack and test without risking himself.
Jake sounds a little too confident here, but man I really do not like lynching a newbie D1.I don't like lynching a newbie D1 either.
forgetting who the IC is is pretty townyI think that's a myth.
forgetting who the IC is is pretty townyI think that's a myth.
Because it is too gameable I would guess.forgetting who the IC is is pretty townyI think that's a myth.
Why so?
This is an unforgiving worldJake sounds a little too confident here, but man I really do not like lynching a newbie D1.I don't like lynching a newbie D1 either.
Also essentially everything Jake has done recently could be seen as a newbie flailing under pressure. Either alignment possible. He's done a few traditionally scummy things, but the case is pretty weak really.
Lalight did something opportunistic that I didn't like, I'll see if I can fish it out.
Not sure I like RR's response to the Jake thing. I think town!RR might be more inclined to look after his newbie friend.
unvote: JakeNot to rip into Jake but I don't think he knew Fargo was an IC in the first place :P
I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
unvote: JakeNot to rip into Jake but I don't think he knew Fargo was an IC in the first place :P
I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
Not necessarily, the IC was only named after N0 and the post wasn't that clear. Could easily see a newbie don't getting it, totally independent from alignment.unvote: JakeNot to rip into Jake but I don't think he knew Fargo was an IC in the first place :P
I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
Agreed. Think scum would have tho.
Not necessarily, the IC was only named after N0 and the post wasn't that clear. Could easily see a newbie don't getting it, totally independent from alignment.unvote: JakeNot to rip into Jake but I don't think he knew Fargo was an IC in the first place :P
I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
Agreed. Think scum would have tho.
Also Fargo needs to post more. Being an IC doesn't mean you get to be inactive.I'm so sorry for not being active at all, just have a week of exams and it sucks
You're not gonna live through several nights :-\Also Fargo needs to post more. Being an IC doesn't mean you get to be inactive.I'm so sorry for not being active at all, just have a week of exams and it sucks
will post more if i live through several nights
You're not gonna live through several nights :-\Also Fargo needs to post more. Being an IC doesn't mean you get to be inactive.I'm so sorry for not being active at all, just have a week of exams and it sucks
will post more if i live through several nights
I kinda want to vote RR but he's way too easy to mislynch, I think I want to leave him for the day and give us more time to get a grasp on what's going on with him.
Lalight hasn't really done anything since I last looked, so I'm still happy with my vote there for now.
When's deadline? Soonish, right?
Silver still seems towny to me but he always does, anyone who's capable of reading silver please speak up.
Jake remains lynchable except giving newbies a D1 is usually good.
Whatever happened to the J Reggie wagon? I think I could consider getting on board with that if it became a thing again.
Vote Count why spellcheck whyYou have 3 votes
RR - doesn't seem like usual town self good chance of scum hereNow this is the kinda thing I can get my teeth into.
SS - doesn't seem like usual town or does he? Would lynch.
LL - Seems out of meta somewhat. Would lynch.
Schadd - least want to lynch over self.
PPS - made that commitment so would lynch if forced. Otherwise IC. Confused why not obvtown to everyone.
Jake - seems towny enough. Hope we don't lynch.
Fargo - let's not lynch the IC
Calamities - always scummy, would lynch
SA - too smart for their own good will lynch today
JR - obvscum please lynch
Robz - typical noncommittal D1. Inscrutable. Not contributory so not taking chances. Happy to lynch here.
Haddock - would relish a lynch here
McGrabass - seems quieter than usual probably least informative flip. Would lynch.
PPS what did that accomplish? :P
Here we go:Will respond to everything else later, but bolded part:
Roadrunner7671 I'm not lynching RR D1 again unless he scumslips hard or something.
silverspawn not much useful content. A good D1 lynch.
LaLight something made me think he was scum. I think he feels a lot like he did in ghibli.
schadd hard to read as always. Maybe more likely to be scum, but I don't have any completed games with him where I was town.
pingpongsam more likely town because of his stunt, but he hasn't had to "prove his commitment" yet.
JaketheBaseballGod22 weird and hard to read. Another good reason not to lynch newbies D1 besides not getting the hang of things is because one has no idea how to read them
Fargo if it was every right to lynch an IC it would be Fargo. But I won't go that far (see what I did there?)
mail-mi the mod. Wouldn't lynch.
Calamitas can't find anything of note from him. Would lynch.
SpaceAnenome scary as scum. Would lynch if the opportunity presented itself. Although maybe they'll follow my pattern and be extremely good in their first scum game and fall apart after that.
J Reggie IC. Wouldn't lynch.
Robz888 nearly nothing useful, which is a shame. I was looking forward to playing with Robz.
Haddock a good player. He out-towned me after being conf!scum. Would Lynch.
McGarnacle nothing of note. Seems different from NM so quite possibly scum. He's flying under the radar more. But then again he did nearly get lynched D1 there so he has a reason to try something different. Not sure.
A lot of would lynches, but at least this tells me something.
The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.Say what you like about the meltdowns, they do the trick. #NeverBeenLynchedInANormalGame.
of the current votes:You forgot me in your analysis
jake: uff. at the very least, his posts seem, like, scripted. but so much so that i don't think it could actually be coaching or whatever. so, null
lalight: i'm sort of leaning town on him, now, and at the very least i have a point of comparison for him. so, in the long term, i think i'll be better able to figure him out than the others. i guess you could say that his alignment will come to (la)light
haddock: i guess i don't see it. and apparently, interesting stuff happens once the wagon forms and there isn't enough time to do that.
pps: i mean, he's still my highest read. his thing is the only thing that has happened so far that strikes me as definitely beneficial as a scum. but, well, people seem to be content to brush that off as a pps thing (be forewarned) and at the very least we can not believe him if he turns back on a hammer.
rr: he was not very active in ghibli mafia, and it seems like he'll be hard for me to read regardless. i don't think the difference in activity is alignment-indicative (he was busy, and now he's not afaik) but he's been tunneling jake the whole day in a sort of chummy way which seems like a very easy way to not have to worry about lying or saying anything sketchy or whatever. also, well, lynching him will be pretty revealing of jake's alignment i think.
i think mcgarnacle, robz, and lately ss have been floating under the radar a lot. but, mcgarnacle's situation is a little odd, with the whole switcharoo, and sorta not alignment-indicative (and i would feel weird about lynching for it anyway). still, get in the game. and then the other two, well, i can imagine being tired of D1s after a while. also i think everyone wants them to not die, myself included.
vote: rr
If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.
I like D1 passes but I don't live and die by themIf we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.
wrong pool, man. and not only because of me, but because of D1 pass.
Only pool we have due to the current vote count. Everything beyond is unrealisticIf we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.
wrong pool, man. and not only because of me, but because of D1 pass.
my confidence sort of waned.
I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.
I know. My confidence waned. Went away. Bye byemy confidence sort of waned.I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.
Only pool we have due to the current vote count. Everything beyond is unrealisticIf we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.
wrong pool, man. and not only because of me, but because of D1 pass.
I don't want to lynch Jake D1 even if he's scum.
Sorry, t's just meta. I want him to be satisfied with the game and live to D2 at least.
ppe:1
if the lynchpool is two of us, I agree to be hammered.
I don't want to lynch Jake D1 even if he's scum.vote: LaLight then, can do so for yourself if you want to. Lynching someone improves our situation by a large amount, avoiding to lynch anyone is just suboptimal play and reduces towns chance of winning. Playing for the satisfaction of newbies in such a scenario is insane, especially since this isn't a newbie game but a regular one.
Sorry, t's just meta. I want him to be satisfied with the game and live to D2 at least.
ppe:1
Pretty alignment unindicative I think. Maybe a little towny.if the lynchpool is two of us, I agree to be hammered.
Not sure what to think of this.
I'm sticking with my vote.And if the alternative is a no lynch?
I'm sticking with my vote.And if the alternative is a no lynch?
I agree.I'm sticking with my vote.And if the alternative is a no lynch?
Let's not let that happen.
Like, is everyone just happy to die here?
I agree.I'm sticking with my vote.And if the alternative is a no lynch?
Let's not let that happen.
You are being insane. Do you really believe 6 guys are going to show up within <5 hours and will vote me? If you do so, you are pretty confident. The way this game has been going I wouldn't expect that to happen though.Like, is everyone just happy to die here?
no, I am not. I just can not understand why if Calamitas said there's 2 options we should listen to this.
vote: Calamitas
I won't change it.
Believe me please and don't lynch me nor Jake.
I'm just trying to be nice. This is all.
ppe: 2
You are being insane. Do you really believe 6 guys are going to show up within <5 hours and will vote me? If you do so, you are pretty confident. The way this game has been going I wouldn't expect that to happen though.Like, is everyone just happy to die here?
no, I am not. I just can not understand why if Calamitas said there's 2 options we should listen to this.
vote: Calamitas
I won't change it.
Believe me please and don't lynch me nor Jake.
I'm just trying to be nice. This is all.
ppe: 2
I don't wanna to be lynched so Vote: LaLight
Sorry but it's me or you and I don't want to die nothing personalYeah, with that attitude it will be you or LaLight. :(
Sorry but it's me or you and I don't want to die nothing personal
Did you ever hear something about probability theory? There IS a probability that my neighbour is a secret vampire, though I'm not going to make decisions based on that ;)You are being insane. Do you really believe 6 guys are going to show up within <5 hours and will vote me? If you do so, you are pretty confident. The way this game has been going I wouldn't expect that to happen though.Like, is everyone just happy to die here?
no, I am not. I just can not understand why if Calamitas said there's 2 options we should listen to this.
vote: Calamitas
I won't change it.
Believe me please and don't lynch me nor Jake.
I'm just trying to be nice. This is all.
ppe: 2
look. We have time now. I'm gonna sleep in 1-2 hours. I will wait because there IS a probability they will show up.
ppe: 1
also note that McG came into the game the moment Scum QT was already closed. it can explain why he is silenti was thinking something along those lines, too. but that seems like something with a large chance of being wrong, and also, well, if it isn't, then i would rather uh give him a chance to talk to his friendos
ppe: 1
So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.uh, i would say lynch with impunity (more or less) is worse than no lynch. that said, not voting is pretty much inexcusable
You forgot me in your analysisyeah. you're kinda town (short and dense posts), sa is kinda town (a slightly more confident version of ghibli), j reggie is uh null, same situation as lalight for me
I am not scum.That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
I am not scum.That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
oh, no, i understood you. understanding what people say isn't the big thing in mafia. if you had a true, personal scumread on someone like you said you did, i would think that's a pretty big deal.I know. My confidence waned. Went away. Bye byemy confidence sort of waned.I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.
If your not scum give us your case of why we should not lynch youWhatever, man.I am not scum.That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
It's a game after all, not psychologically social training
Prove that you are townIf your not scum give us your case of why we should not lynch youWhatever, man.I am not scum.That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
It's a game after all, not psychologically social training
Prove that you are townIf your not scum give us your case of why we should not lynch youWhatever, man.I am not scum.That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
It's a game after all, not psychologically social training
The thing is a couple of hours might be too late since a good portion of us is living in Europe. Silver, LaLight, Space, Haddock and I do certainly, don't know too much about the others.i mean, you are all voting already. but i guess there isn't a way to lynch someone while everyone can do something about it, and i can't tell people not to sleep ofc
@LaLight: Being active/helpful isn't alignment indicative. Playing similar to town is the most important part of scum play and lurking wouldn't fit your town meta at all. So I'm pretty sure you would play like that with either alignment.
But that does not excuse you from my suspicion that you are scumwhat
But i see that behavior coming from scum!LaLight just as well as town!LaLight (maybe a little more in case of the former, but not to a significant extent). What I don't like about your play here is the flip-floppiness on Jake.@LaLight: Being active/helpful isn't alignment indicative. Playing similar to town is the most important part of scum play and lurking wouldn't fit your town meta at all. So I'm pretty sure you would play like that with either alignment.
But I'd be lurker from the start for first.
For second I could just go to sleep (or just shut up pretending I go to sleep)
But now I try to help. I really-really try. No one is just active here.
But i see that behavior coming from scum!LaLight just as well as town!LaLight (maybe a little more in case of the former, but not to a significant extent). What I don't like about your play here is the flip-floppiness on Jake.@LaLight: Being active/helpful isn't alignment indicative. Playing similar to town is the most important part of scum play and lurking wouldn't fit your town meta at all. So I'm pretty sure you would play like that with either alignment.
But I'd be lurker from the start for first.
For second I could just go to sleep (or just shut up pretending I go to sleep)
But now I try to help. I really-really try. No one is just active here.
You just said you try to act townie. Do you really expect us you would do any different as scum (e.g. lurking)?
Vote: Calamitas
I like this lynch the best, didn't like his recent behavior and very much think LaLight is town now. Though will have to change if there's no time. Need to do a bit of re-reading, will post more in a minute.
Dependent on the situation, I'm going to vote myself when I go to bed. And don't treat that as particular scummy or towny, I probably would have said that with either alignment.welcome to the pps and rr tier
Because it is too gameable I would guess.forgetting who the IC is is pretty townyI think that's a myth.
PPS: Oh wow, y'all really like that one. Okay!
Why so?
Not necessarily, the IC was only named after N0 and the post wasn't that clear. Could easily see a newbie don't getting it, totally independent from alignment.unvote: JakeNot to rip into Jake but I don't think he knew Fargo was an IC in the first place :P
I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
Agreed. Think scum would have tho.
If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.
Dependent on the situation, I'm going to vote myself when I go to bed. And don't treat that as particular scummy or towny, I probably would have said that with either alignment.
I'm a newbie but that seems very scummie behavior
I'm a newbie but that seems very scummie behavior
What?
I'm a newbie but that seems very scummie behavior
First of all, forgetting the IC doesn't mean much here in case of a newbie. It hasn't been declared before D1 so scum will not have discussed it (I am neglecting the chance of having a day chat here).
And I do actually think that having a no lynch D1 is worse than having a townie lynched. So I would be willing to get myself lynched over having a no lynch. Though I obviously prefer other outcomes since I have a chance of hitting scum there, I don't view my own death as a more negative utility than having a no lynch. And since I know I would think that as town and have expressed it as town before I would probably pull that as scum anyways because it comes closest to my town behavior. That's why you shouldn't read much into it except that I am, if the situation requires it, willing to go to bed with a vote on me.
Yep, but my death gives town info nevertheless and reduces the chance that I'm getting misslynched later during the game to zero. From a town perspective, the utility is still positive I think.First of all, forgetting the IC doesn't mean much here in case of a newbie. It hasn't been declared before D1 so scum will not have discussed it (I am neglecting the chance of having a day chat here).
And I do actually think that having a no lynch D1 is worse than having a townie lynched. So I would be willing to get myself lynched over having a no lynch. Though I obviously prefer other outcomes since I have a chance of hitting scum there, I don't view my own death as a more negative utility than having a no lynch. And since I know I would think that as town and have expressed it as town before I would probably pull that as scum anyways because it comes closest to my town behavior. That's why you shouldn't read much into it except that I am, if the situation requires it, willing to go to bed with a vote on me.
I would say that No Lynch is indeed terrible, but from your own perspective it's not worse than you getting lynched, since you know you're town.
You sound like a scum when found out conceding to their deathYep, but my death gives town info nevertheless and reduces the chance that I'm getting misslynched later during the game to zero. From a town perspective, the utility is still positive I think.First of all, forgetting the IC doesn't mean much here in case of a newbie. It hasn't been declared before D1 so scum will not have discussed it (I am neglecting the chance of having a day chat here).
And I do actually think that having a no lynch D1 is worse than having a townie lynched. So I would be willing to get myself lynched over having a no lynch. Though I obviously prefer other outcomes since I have a chance of hitting scum there, I don't view my own death as a more negative utility than having a no lynch. And since I know I would think that as town and have expressed it as town before I would probably pull that as scum anyways because it comes closest to my town behavior. That's why you shouldn't read much into it except that I am, if the situation requires it, willing to go to bed with a vote on me.
I would say that No Lynch is indeed terrible, but from your own perspective it's not worse than you getting lynched, since you know you're town.
You sound way too okay with your own death. Town usually flays wildly. This is something else. Which makes me more okay with this wagon.Look at D1 of RMM35 if you don't believe me. JReggie and I had the same number of lynches on us. Reggie claimed deathproof and the consense was that he actually is alignment unindicative. So I tried yo get a self hammer in, didn't manage to do it because of a connection lag and made pretty much the same argument. But again, I would have done this here with either alignment I think.
oh my golly my gosh this is like my new favorite pictureUgh. Don't like this stuff from schadd. Reads like forced humour.
Roadrunner7671 I'm not lynching RR D1 again unless he scumslips hard or something.RR - agree
silverspawn not much useful content. A good D1 lynch.
LaLight something made me think he was scum. I think he feels a lot like he did in ghibli.
schadd hard to read as always. Maybe more likely to be scum, but I don't have any completed games with him where I was town.
pingpongsam more likely town because of his stunt, but he hasn't had to "prove his commitment" yet.
JaketheBaseballGod22 weird and hard to read. Another good reason not to lynch newbies D1 besides not getting the hang of things is because one has no idea how to read them
Fargo if it was every right to lynch an IC it would be Fargo. But I won't go that far (see what I did there?)
mail-mi the mod. Wouldn't lynch.
Calamitas can't find anything of note from him. Would lynch.
SpaceAnenome scary as scum. Would lynch if the opportunity presented itself. Although maybe they'll follow my pattern and be extremely good in their first scum game and fall apart after that.
J Reggie IC. Wouldn't lynch.
Robz888 nearly nothing useful, which is a shame. I was looking forward to playing with Robz.
Haddock a good player. He out-towned me after being conf!scum. Would Lynch.
McGarnacle nothing of note. Seems different from NM so quite possibly scum. He's flying under the radar more. But then again he did nearly get lynched D1 there so he has a reason to try something different. Not sure.
If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.
Yeah LaLight that's not the best idea. Or towniest ideaVery forced. Man I so want to lynch RR here.
Really not. Noone actually expected Lalight to mean that, he was just making a point. Opportunistic from Calamitas.I am not scum.That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
Welcome back, Awaclus.Prove that you are townIf your not scum give us your case of why we should not lynch youWhatever, man.I am not scum.That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
It's a game after all, not psychologically social training
sure.Nyerf. Don't like this much at all.
vote: calamitas
i would say that i suspect pps and rr most, about the same amount, and calamitas a little bit less (i wasn't lying before, but yeah this last part has seemed a bit sketch). all 3 of these are better than no lynch for me, though, thus i will vote wherever a vote matters the most (which is to say, if any of these three get momentum)
First of all, forgetting the IC doesn't mean much here in case of a newbie. It hasn't been declared before D1 so scum will not have discussed it (I am neglecting the chance of having a day chat here).This could actually legit come from a towny I think. It's a weird extension of a common belief. Feels right. Some rare townpoints here.
And I do actually think that having a no lynch D1 is worse than having a townie lynched. So I would be willing to get myself lynched over having a no lynch. Though I obviously prefer other outcomes since I have a chance of hitting scum there, I don't view my own death as a more negative utility than having a no lynch. And since I know I would think that as town and have expressed it as town before I would probably pull that as scum anyways because it comes closest to my town behavior. That's why you shouldn't read much into it except that I am, if the situation requires it, willing to go to bed with a vote on me.
The daychat thinglooks like a faked townslip. vote: calamitas. L-1. Calling a calamitas-lalight-? team.
The daychat thinglooks like a faked townslip. vote: calamitas. L-1. Calling a calamitas-lalight-? team.Why should that be a faked townslip? It is a possibility which I neglected there to make my point.
The daychat thinglooks like a faked townslip. vote: calamitas. L-1. Calling a calamitas-lalight-? team.Why should that be a faked townslip? It is a possibility which I neglected there to make my point.
What the hell? I'm not knowing it and I said I'm going to neglect the probabilty since there is one. Again, would have done that as either town or scum.The daychat thinglooks like a faked townslip. vote: calamitas. L-1. Calling a calamitas-lalight-? team.Why should that be a faked townslip? It is a possibility which I neglected there to make my point.
Because not knowing if scum has daychat is like the most classic townslip there is.
I assume you are not really willing to change your mind, in that case I'm going to hammer. Risking a no lynch isn't worth the potential benefit of not doing it then.
Claim!!!!
Claim!!!!Vt obviously, otherwise I wouldn't have estimated the utility of my life that low :D
That's what I assumed but sometimes people give up even as PRsClaim!!!!Vt obviously, otherwise I wouldn't have estimated the utility of my life that low :D
So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!
Okay, have re-read a bit, and Calamitas doesn't seem like the worst candidate ever. I really don't get what that little day-chat blow-up was about... can someone fill me in on why it would be an alignment-indicative caveat for him to have made either way?It's dependent on personality. Some people feel inclined to take into account such edge cases always. Others would only cover such an edge case if they were trying to look like they didn't know the setup when in fact they do.
So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!
But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.
Okay, have re-read a bit, and Calamitas doesn't seem like the worst candidate ever. I really don't get what that little day-chat blow-up was about... can someone fill me in on why it would be an alignment-indicative caveat for him to have made either way?It's dependent on personality. Some people feel inclined to take into account such edge cases always. Others would only cover such an edge case if they were trying to look like they didn't know the setup when in fact they do.
I happen to think calamitas is in the first category hence that particular thing is null.
I didn't read it, no. But if Calamitas was a cop and he didn't claim and we lynched him, how could that be worse than him claiming and getting killed tonight?So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!
But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.
I didn't read it, no. But if Calamitas was a cop and he didn't claim and we lynched him, how could that be worse than him claiming and getting killed tonight?So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!
But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.
I know, that's the point. J Reggie is incorrect, claiming in this setup is not actively bad for townI didn't read it, no. But if Calamitas was a cop and he didn't claim and we lynched him, how could that be worse than him claiming and getting killed tonight?So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!
But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.
It's worse. In the latter scenario, we force the scum to spend a night kill on the cop, at least. Doing it for them essentially saves them a needed move.
So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!
But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.
I read that, but didn't actually feel convinced by it. If we lynch someone who flips as one of the "extra" scum, why is it worth the corresponding PR claiming, when that just makes them an NK target?
FWIW, I think Calamitas is more likely to claim some power there if he's scum--at least, that was pretty standard in my day. What does he have to lose? He might out a town PR if someone is forced to counterclaim.
He didn't, which makes me pretty uneasy about this lynch... but at least we are only lynching a VT, and have protected our town PRs. And I suppose it would have been impossible to get another lynch anyway.
So... flip!
Huh.. I was going to hammer once I'd done more thinking, but I guess PPS had a prior claim on intent.
I'd still like to work out whether I agree with JR's claiming plans, if people are still here and talking into twilight...
What's and adventure sphere and what do they do?
What's and adventure sphere and what do they do?
That's the flavor name for the Tracker. So we know there's a Tracker. Consequently, we know there's a 1-shot Ninja.
WIFOM is a Semi-Open Original setup for 13 players. It's designed to eliminate towncred given to players who claim power roles and to show how WIFOM (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM) can be a powerful tool for both Town and Scum.
The "base" setup is as follows:Quote
3 Mafia:
Anger Core (Goon)
Turret (Goon)
Cave Johnson (1-shot Psychotrooper)
10 Town:
Chell (1-shot Commuting Innocent Child)
Curiosity Core (3-shot Alignment Cop)
8 Vanilla Cores (Vanilla Townies)
Pregame, 0-5 Modifications will be made to the above setup. Each Modification has a 50% chance of being present. They will alter the setup by adding more power roles to both the Town and the Mafia:
Modification 1:
Anger Core -> 2-shot Roleblocker
Vanilla Townie -> Intelligence Core (Doctor)
Modification 2:
Anger Core -> Flavor Cop
Vanilla Townie -> Wheatley (Roleblocker)
Modification 3:
Turret -> 2-shot Rolestopper
Vanilla Townie -> Doug Rattmann (Watcher)
Modification 4:
Turret -> 1-shot Ninja
Vanilla Townie -> Rick, the Adventure Core (Tracker)
Modification 5:
Cave Johnson -> Cop Enabler
Vanilla Townie -> Space Core (Universal Backup)
Here's what the setup looks like when ALL the Modifications are present:Quote3 Mafia:
Anger Core: Flavor Copping 2-shot Roleblocker
Turret: 2-shot Rolestopping 1-shot Ninja
Cave Johnson: Cop Enabling 1-shot Psychotrooper
10 Town:
Chell: 1-shot Commuting Innocent Child
Curiosity Core: 3-shot Alignment Cop
Rick, the Adventure Sphere: Tracker
Doug Rattmann: Watcher
Intelligence Core: Doctor
Wheatley: Roleblocker
Space Core: Universal Backup
3 Vanilla Cores
Mechanics:
- When players die, only their Flavor Name and Alignment will be revealed.
- Mafia cannot complete the factional kill and use a power in the same night.
- Rolestopping resolves before Town!Roleblocking which resolves before Mafia!Roleblocking
Role Clarifications:
- 1-shot Psychotrooper is an Active power. The night they choose to use it, the Alignment Cop will get the opposite result for their investigation (Scum instead of Town and Town instead of Scum).
- Investigative powers receive "No Result" if their action was blocked in any way.
- When the Cop Enabler dies, all Alignment Cop Investigations return "No Result"
- Flavor Cop is told their target's Flavor Name. If both are present, it is used in conjuction with Roleblocking. However, the Anger Core does not have to Roleblock when they Flavor Cop, and they can still Flavor Cop when out of Roleblocking shots.
- Ninja can be used to modify the user's Factional Kill or Rolestopping
- Rolestopping doesn't stop Kills
- The Universal Backup inherit the first Town Power Role that dies. A Town PR with 0-shots left (if they are an X-shot Role) does not count for UB inheritance. The Innocent Child's 1-shot Commuter can be inherited by the UB.
Here is the Vanilla Core PM:Quote(http://combineoverwiki.net/images/thumb/9/91/Corrupt_core_neutral_clean.png/250px-Corrupt_core_neutral_clean.png)
Remember before when I was talking about smelly garbage standing around being useless? That was a metaphor. I was actually talking about you.
You are a Vanilla Core. You are a useless piece of whirring machinery that can't actually do anything, including be killed by my neurotoxin. I'm frankly surprised you can even speak.
Please /confirm by replying to this message.
Town Wincon: You win once all the mafia are dead.
Mafia Wincon: You win once the mafia controls half the town, or nothing can stop this from happening.
How many scum do we think were off wagon? Because there aren't very many still-living players there in total. Like, Silverspawn is the only person who voted for someone other than Calamtias at day's close.
What does the tracker do exactlygoogle it bub
Dang that's not a good loss
what difference do you see between jake's and mcgarnacle's?
vote: jake
hey, that's my favorite device for reaching a solution to somethingvote: jake
Reason?
hey, that's my favorite device for reaching a solution to somethingvote: jake
Reason?
Vote: Robz8
I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.
The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.
But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.
Vote: Robz8
I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.
The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.
But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.
Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.
Dang that's not a good loss
Yeah, although this set up makes Tracking/Watching less useful because their inclusion results in scum that are specifically powered to confuse them. The biggest loss in this setup would probably be a Doctor, then an Alignment Cop, then any other PR.
Vote: Robz8
I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.
The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.
But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.
Vote: Robz8
I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.
The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.
But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.
Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.
Wait, reading the setup is scummy and not reading the setup is scummy?
Vote: Robz8
I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.
The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.
But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.
That seems like a bad reason to vote Silverspawn.
Vote: Robz8
I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.
The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.
But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.
Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.
Wait, reading the setup is scummy and not reading the setup is scummy?
I don't believe someone who has already played before wouldn't have read the setup by now, so it's scummy in that case.
A true newb not reading it is different.
Vote: Robz8
I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.
The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.
But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.
What about PPS not reading it or RR or Seprix. Like they're known for not reading the setup. Does that make them always scummy?
Vote: Robz8
I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.
The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.
But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.
That seems like a bad reason to vote Silverspawn.
Why does it seem bad? It seems like a great idea to me.
Vote: Robz8
I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.
The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.
But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.
Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.
Wait, reading the setup is scummy and not reading the setup is scummy?
I don't believe someone who has already played before wouldn't have read the setup by now, so it's scummy in that case.
A true newb not reading it is different.
What about PPS not reading it or RR or Seprix. Like they're known for not reading the setup. Does that make them always scummy?
Is there something about SpaceAnemone that makes it easy for scum to PR read them? Like weren't they killed N1 as a PR in a recent game?It's much more likely just coincidence.
I am inclined to think McGarnacle is scum because I had nothing against SA whereas he did and ask RR how bored I was during N-1 because I'm a vanilla townie who couldn't do anything during N-1 Vote: McGarnacle
I am inclined to think McGarnacle is scum because I had nothing against SA whereas he did and ask RR how bored I was during N-1 because I'm a vanilla townie who couldn't do anything during N-1 Vote: McGarnacle
This seems a little against the rules...
I already claimed D-1 when I had 6 votes on me and we didn't discuss the game u would know that if u read my postsYou're right, I missed that.
So.
Thing is: scums are iether too newbie or too vet. Pros:
They're too newbie
1) They do not know they should kill IC.
2) They killed the person they wanted. But SA was the one who is to be suspected right here and now cause it's hard to predict them. That was a silly kill.
They're vet
1) They knew IC will commute and saw some breadcrumbs from SA so they knew they is a Tracker. I'm not able right now to check this actually.
I'm really inclined to suspect that scums are newbies: Jake, McGarnacle, ???. Of these two I suspect Jake from the first day, he was behaving scummy. McGarnacle too. I didn't want to lynch Jake D1, I explained that. Now's the time.
So.
Thing is: scums are iether too newbie or too vet. Pros:
They're too newbie
1) They do not know they should kill IC.
2) They killed the person they wanted. But SA was the one who is to be suspected right here and now cause it's hard to predict them. That was a silly kill.
They're vet
1) They knew IC will commute and saw some breadcrumbs from SA so they knew they is a Tracker. I'm not able right now to check this actually.
I'm really inclined to suspect that scums are newbies: Jake, McGarnacle, ???. Of these two I suspect Jake from the first day, he was behaving scummy. McGarnacle too. I didn't want to lynch Jake D1, I explained that. Now's the time.
The thing is, I don't consider you too newbie or too vet, and yet you thought of this. So it doesn't really prove anything. Actually, vote: lalight
Sorry, I should have read the setup, but I'm II's replacement and I was not paying attention to the game before now.
LaLight why have you been tunneling me all game?
About to get on a train, more later.
But right now, calling a
Jake/lalight/schadd
scumteam.
Vote: LaLight for tunneling me
Lalight's play feels a lot like it did in ghibli.
Vote: LaLight for tunneling me
Give me proof. I voted for you once, twice maximum and did everything to save you D1, voted Calamitas for example.
What do you mean saying the word "Tunneling"?
vote: Jake
He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.
We need Fargo to do something. We don't want the IC to get modkilled.
We need Fargo to do something. We don't want the IC to get modkilled.
Why is the IC so important?
vote: Jake
He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.
how different?
vote: Jake
He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.
how different?
You seem less helpful and more defensive.
vote: Jake
He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.
how different?
You seem less helpful and more defensive.
That is true. Reason is that being helpful is scummy, is all
Hmm...My feeling is 2 on, 1 off. you mentioned (in a later post) a scumread on silver, any case behind that? I always always townread him but I'll try to be as open minded as possible if someone presents a case.
Well, here's something.
Currently living players voting for someone other than the lynch: Silverspawn
Voted for no one: McGarnacle, RR
Wagon: Robz, LaLight, schadd, Jake, Haddock, J Reggie, PPS
How many scum do we think were off wagon? Because there aren't very many still-living players there in total. Like, Silverspawn is the only person who voted for someone other than Calamtias at day's close.
Hedgy and overexplained. I do not like this post.How many scum do we think were off wagon? Because there aren't very many still-living players there in total. Like, Silverspawn is the only person who voted for someone other than Calamtias at day's close.
for a while i thought that 3 scums would've had to be on it, or at least it would've been easy to manipulate somehow, because it was sort of hurried and close to the deadline (and that was sort of my motivation for voting calam), but eventually everyone did weigh in on it (except mcgarnacle i think). so i dunno. gonna reread space
Townread on Robz from this and posts like it.Dang that's not a good loss
Yeah, although this set up makes Tracking/Watching less useful because their inclusion results in scum that are specifically powered to confuse them. The biggest loss in this setup would probably be a Doctor, then an Alignment Cop, then any other PR.
Is there something about SpaceAnemone that makes it easy for scum to PR read them? Like weren't they killed N1 as a PR in a recent game?Coincidence. I'm surprised scum killed them to be honest, given SA's recent scum performance it seemed likely that town would be frightened of lategame!SA. Anyhoo.
Yeah, the lack of setup reading is become a thing recently. Pisses me off, but it's increasingly a thing, not necessarily alignment-indicative.Vote: Robz8
I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.
The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.
But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.
Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.
My instinct is to make a snide comment about Seprix's ability here, but that's just bitterness from Rewind.QuoteWhat about PPS not reading it or RR or Seprix. Like they're known for not reading the setup. Does that make them always scummy?
PPS and Seprix are known for deliberately not knowing what the setup is, on Day 2? Really? Is that even the case? I mean, that's just really bad play in that case, I guess?
I'm finding McG, Silverspawn, and RR pretty scummy right now.This is the post I mentioned earlier. I can see scumreads on RR and McG, but I'd love to see reasons for silver.
So.This does not endear Lalight to me. It's not a good argument, it ties down lynch options for no good reason, and it just doesn't seem like it comes from a town point of view.
Thing is: scums are iether too newbie or too vet. Pros:
They're too newbie
1) They do not know they should kill IC.
2) They killed the person they wanted. But SA was the one who is to be suspected right here and now cause it's hard to predict them. That was a silly kill.
They're vet
1) They knew IC will commute and saw some breadcrumbs from SA so they knew they is a Tracker. I'm not able right now to check this actually.
I'm really inclined to suspect that scums are newbies: Jake, McGarnacle, ???. Of these two I suspect Jake from the first day, he was behaving scummy. McGarnacle too. I didn't want to lynch Jake D1, I explained that. Now's the time.
I am inclined to think McGarnacle is scum because I had nothing against SA whereas he did and ask RR how bored I was during N-1 because I'm a vanilla townie who couldn't do anything during N-1 Vote: McGarnacleEwwwwwwwwwww.
Vibes mostly, it's hard for me to pin down an actual case except to point out odd posts like the one above. Schadd's not made too many such posts D2, but was scummy D1.About to get on a train, more later.
But right now, calling a
Jake/lalight/schadd
scumteam.
Why? Whyyyyy? What've I done wrong here?
It is not good at all that you are making this argument as a defense. If you're town, the protownness of being helpful more than cancels out the negative utility of you maybe being scumread for it. And the fact that you're saying this implies that you've thought about it and are being intentionally not helpful. Scummy.vote: Jake
He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.
how different?
You seem less helpful and more defensive.
That is true. Reason is that being helpful is scummy, is all
vote: Jake
He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.
how different?
You seem less helpful and more defensive.
That is true. Reason is that being helpful is scummy, is all
See, that's not good. Now that you've admitted you think being helpful is scummy, you not being helpful means nothing.
I don't think being helpful is scummy. Everybody thinks being helpful is scummy so I gave up doing this.Doesn't matter. The point is that you're prioritising how you look too much. It's fine for town to try to look towny, but not at the expense of protown play.
I don't think being helpful is scummy. Everybody thinks being helpful is scummy so I gave up doing this.Doesn't matter. The point is that you're prioritising how you look too much. It's fine for town to try to look towny, but not at the expense of protown play.
Certainty is scummy above all.
Re: Haddock's post... I guess I don't really have that much of a scum read on silverspawn, he's just the *only* person occupying a space I often find scum: comfortably voting for someone who didn't get lynched. And he's a vet and I kinda expect more from him but he doesn't seem to be doing a lot of consequence.
I see what you are saying about Jake and LaLight, but I think McG and RR are scummier, for me.
Jake and LL wereFTFMnotbig ticket items yesterday. So, either we're sure we just barely missed cornering 2 scum yesterday (unlikely) or they are at least one scape goat scum wants to lead to slaughter.
Jake and LL were not big ticket items yesterday. So, either we're sure we just barely missed cornering 2 scum yesterday (unlikely) or they are at least one scape goat scum wants to lead to slaughter.If we're thinking that (which I'm not sure I disagree with, tbh - though I still think Lalight and Jake match up as partners well), I prefer Jake to Lalight.
Jake and LL were not big ticket items yesterday. So, either we're sure we just barely missed cornering 2 scum yesterday (unlikely) or they are at least one scape goat scum wants to lead to slaughter.
Why? No one is backing up their accusations with anythingJake and LL were not big ticket items yesterday. So, either we're sure we just barely missed cornering 2 scum yesterday (unlikely) or they are at least one scape goat scum wants to lead to slaughter.
Yeah, I don't know about LaLight. But I really do think Jake is scum.
This game is about finding the person with the most evidence of scum on them and so far the only reason that I am scum is because one person said that I said some scummy things and everyone else just followed suit
ask RR how bored I was during N-1 because I'm a vanilla townie who couldn't do anything during N-1
What's the ? for
I know what's the question
This game is about finding the person with the most evidence of scum on them and so far the only reason that I am scum is because one person said that I said some scummy things and everyone else just followed suit
The biggest thing working against you, actually, is that you are still alive today. We scrutinized you Day 1, and I for one afforded you likely town status. That makes you a great night kill for scum... scum want to take out people we've largely cleared and leave the mystery candidates.
I also think you're actually a lot more aware of what's going on and into this game than you are letting on. You're so excited about this game that you're talking about it IRL during night, but actually you're just a VT who barely understands the setup? Yeah right.
Let's lynch this guy.
That's not a questionuh, okay, how about, what reasons do we have for not lynching you, and why would we want to inform you of things that you say that sound scummy to us? as it is at the moment, robz has provided a few reasons for suspecting you (that have been a bit gut & tacit, which is fine) and you spent a bunch of time trying to refute one of them. some other people, as well, have been suspecting you for a while, and i was sort of giving you a D1 pass. it's D2 now, and if you're gonna try to give us a reason not to lynch you, you won't be able to do it by talking about yourself, and we're not gonna tell you what about your posts rubs us the wrong way.
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?where are we getting that figure from, eh?
I reread the setup and there should be three vanilla townies in the game at the start. One was lynched so 2/9 is roughly 80%
also,And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?where are we getting that figure from, eh?
I reread the setup and there should be three vanilla townies in the game at the start. One was lynched so 2/9 is roughly 80%
also,And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?where are we getting that figure from, eh?
Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answersi'm not telling you to defend yourself, i'm telling you to come up with reasons that you ought to be alive. in spite of what the case with calamitas would lead you to believe, the reasons for lynching someone are not always gonna be how much they seem scum; if you're only gonna spend time defending yourself, then you aren't very useful for town. if you can succinctly defend yourself and then provide concrete reasons for why other people seem (un)suspicious then you will be an asset. presumably, everyone can respond logically to some arguments against them, regardless of alignment, and there's some things to which one can't respond logically to (e.g. posts giving some sort of bad impression, suspicion cast by nightkills, etc.)
First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs soit says that the modifications all have a 50% chance of being present, in bold
8-5=3
First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs so
8-5=3
Well one person I'm pretty sure is scum is McGarnacle because during D-1 he and SA had a beef and on N-1 SA ends up dead. I'm also confindent that LaLight is scum but that's just how I feel not a lot of proof the third person who is mafia is pps due to having no clear side that he is on for anything or Haddock due to the fact that all of his posts are kind of aminous and pps and Haddock are constantly fighting so I think one is the third scumThen lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answersi'm not telling you to defend yourself, i'm telling you to come up with reasons that you ought to be alive. in spite of what the case with calamitas would lead you to believe, the reasons for lynching someone are not always gonna be how much they seem scum; if you're only gonna spend time defending yourself, then you aren't very useful for town. if you can succinctly defend yourself and then provide concrete reasons for why other people seem (un)suspicious then you will be an asset. presumably, everyone can respond logically to some arguments against them, regardless of alignment, and there's some things to which one can't respond logically to (e.g. posts giving some sort of bad impression, suspicion cast by nightkills, etc.)First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs soit says that the modifications all have a 50% chance of being present, in bold
8-5=3
Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answers'Then lynch me'
unvote: silverspawn you can lynch me but i'm just trying to figure out who is mafia and who isnt'You can lynch me'
their singular rvs thing. don't really think it's very revealing, they & haddock know each othervote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
...
That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.
Sleep now. Night all!
I'm not even angry...
I'm being so sincere right now:
Vote: Haddock
seems a bit neutral. their vote on jake stays there for the rest of the day, thoughvote: JakeWhy?
To see how the total unknown newbie who isn't already IC reacts. It was fun.
perhaps they did scumread jake thenI agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.
Did you feel that way before I started the wagon, or only after?
sort of explains why townies might have stepped off of lalight's wagon.Nyerp. This feels a bit forced. I find myself kind of understanding the J Reggie wagon, while not really fully agreeing with it. Reggie's done some odd things and I don't remember him being this odd. I just don't like big quick wagons happening so early. I hate D1.I don't get a scummy vibe from the stuff LL is saying about finding his situation with J Reggie odd. I mean, PPS is here, and I've only ever encountered him before as a scumbuddy in NM8, and I'm town now, so I can see this coming from town!LL. However, I've learned that he's also really good at getting into a townie headspace when scum, so it's kind of null overall.Just throwing this out there, but what do people think are the chances that this is Lalight and Reggie constructing something?Probably worth keeping in mind. I mean, JR seems townie enough (I almost always townread him, unfortunately), but he's yet to insist he's IC in this game, so maybe that's something to worry about?This is weak and overexplained. Not really a thing, either. I don't think scum are going to worry that much about PoE this early. It's all about how naturally you can find your way onto wagons. Maybe inexperienced scum think this way? But then inexperienced scum don't really think of PoE that much at all.It's certainly something that people at my/LL's level of experience will worry about other people doing shortly after we've each played our first scum games. But yeah, I wouldn't discount an experienced player just because they're voting for the same person as the IC here.I want to hear more from Space (I know, I've barely posted, hypocrisy hypocrisy). Not that I actually think I can read them better than anyone else, but I want to get a feel for forum!Space by comparison to IRL!Space.We are all Space :-)Current scum reads are Jake and Lalight, prefer Lalight today mostly since they're more experienced.Yeah.. I'm not going to do my usual thing of jumping in to say how townie LL is, because he's smart enough to have had me fooled for a while in Ghibli, and I think him voting me earlier may have been a scumtell. But even as scum, he's going to say a bunch of town-useful stuff because of his helpful nature, so I think he's an odd pick for a D1 lynch.
vote: Lalight
hey, that's what i said!You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright?
I honestly wouldn't put it past you :-) You're an experienced player known for doing bold stuff, after all!
I do think you're missing the key aspect of the anti-town-ness of your proposed play, though, which is that you're hiding a lot more information about yourself by essentially promising not to act at all. We can't evaluate your voting choices as independent, possibly-alignment-indicative events if you make up a simple deterministic rule, broadcast that, and then refuse to budge from it.
Huh.. I was going to hammer once I'd done more thinking, but I guess PPS had a prior claim on intent.pretty unfortunate. i really think calamitas looked scummy at that point, we'll have to look if there's anything in particular that would've made him think that a self-lynch was worthwhile
I'd still like to work out whether I agree with JR's claiming plans, if people are still here and talking into twilight...
are we allowed to use the forum's native diceroll function for things?
i kinda want to do a rando-reread of someone. it seems like it would be busted for scum at rvs though. i guess, you could just suspect anyone who is using the diceroll at rvs
This could be a legit scumslip, I guess. Seems reasonably unlikely - it would rely on the setup having been rolled with all 5 modifiers, which is a smallish chance even with SA's flip.
also,And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?where are we getting that figure from, eh?
1) Scum very rarely choose to kill people with whom they have had a major disagreement recently in the game. For exactly this reason.Well one person I'm pretty sure is scum is McGarnacle because during D-1 he and SA had a beef and on N-1 SA ends up dead. I'm also confindent that LaLight is scum but that's just how I feel not a lot of proof the third person who is mafia is pps due to having no clear side that he is on for anything or Haddock due to the fact that all of his posts are kind of aminous and pps and Haddock are constantly fighting so I think one is the third scumThen lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answersi'm not telling you to defend yourself, i'm telling you to come up with reasons that you ought to be alive. in spite of what the case with calamitas would lead you to believe, the reasons for lynching someone are not always gonna be how much they seem scum; if you're only gonna spend time defending yourself, then you aren't very useful for town. if you can succinctly defend yourself and then provide concrete reasons for why other people seem (un)suspicious then you will be an asset. presumably, everyone can respond logically to some arguments against them, regardless of alignment, and there's some things to which one can't respond logically to (e.g. posts giving some sort of bad impression, suspicion cast by nightkills, etc.)First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs soit says that the modifications all have a 50% chance of being present, in bold
8-5=3
1.The probity is very highThis could be a legit scumslip, I guess. Seems reasonably unlikely - it would rely on the setup having been rolled with all 5 modifiers, which is a smallish chance even with SA's flip.
also,And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?where are we getting that figure from, eh?1) Scum very rarely choose to kill people with whom they have had a major disagreement recently in the game. For exactly this reason.Well one person I'm pretty sure is scum is McGarnacle because during D-1 he and SA had a beef and on N-1 SA ends up dead. I'm also confindent that LaLight is scum but that's just how I feel not a lot of proof the third person who is mafia is pps due to having no clear side that he is on for anything or Haddock due to the fact that all of his posts are kind of aminous and pps and Haddock are constantly fighting so I think one is the third scumThen lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answersi'm not telling you to defend yourself, i'm telling you to come up with reasons that you ought to be alive. in spite of what the case with calamitas would lead you to believe, the reasons for lynching someone are not always gonna be how much they seem scum; if you're only gonna spend time defending yourself, then you aren't very useful for town. if you can succinctly defend yourself and then provide concrete reasons for why other people seem (un)suspicious then you will be an asset. presumably, everyone can respond logically to some arguments against them, regardless of alignment, and there's some things to which one can't respond logically to (e.g. posts giving some sort of bad impression, suspicion cast by nightkills, etc.)First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs soit says that the modifications all have a 50% chance of being present, in bold
8-5=3
2) My posts are "aminous"? Is that supposed to be "ominous"? If so, what do you mean? If not - what do you mean? Also, yah, PPS and I have had two or three prods. We are not "constantly fighting".
I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)He likes to debate so I feel like as scum he'd be more persistent and stubborn.
I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)decline.
I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)
Also, Jake has run up early both days. He is an easy lynch if we need one. It's way early today to be trying to force close it with an easy lynch. Let's play out the day and get something better than where everyone stood on the Jake flip. I mean, if he's scum that would be super cool although I will look foolish, but I'm not getting a warm fuzzy he is a bad guy just yet.
Also, Jake has run up early both days. He is an easy lynch if we need one. It's way early today to be trying to force close it with an easy lynch. Let's play out the day and get something better than where everyone stood on the Jake flip. I mean, if he's scum that would be super cool although I will look foolish, but I'm not getting a warm fuzzy he is a bad guy just yet.
His lynch certainly doesn't feel easy. It feels hard, probably because his partners aren't helping it.
Also, Jake has run up early both days. He is an easy lynch if we need one. It's way early today to be trying to force close it with an easy lynch. Let's play out the day and get something better than where everyone stood on the Jake flip. I mean, if he's scum that would be super cool although I will look foolish, but I'm not getting a warm fuzzy he is a bad guy just yet.
His lynch certainly doesn't feel easy. It feels hard, probably because his partners aren't helping it.
Really? I know I'm town and that makes him L-1 if I vote. Clearly there's more town not on his wagon. In fact, all the scum could be there instead. Maybe the case just isn't that good...
I'd say JReggie is Jake's partner. And McGarnacle should be the third. I solved the game, guys!
Also, Jake has run up early both days. He is an easy lynch if we need one. It's way early today to be trying to force close it with an easy lynch. Let's play out the day and get something better than where everyone stood on the Jake flip. I mean, if he's scum that would be super cool although I will look foolish, but I'm not getting a warm fuzzy he is a bad guy just yet.
His lynch certainly doesn't feel easy. It feels hard, probably because his partners aren't helping it.
Really? I know I'm town and that makes him L-1 if I vote. Clearly there's more town not on his wagon. In fact, all the scum could be there instead. Maybe the case just isn't that good...
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.
Robz is making some pretty soft arguments and pushing Jake really hard over them. At first I thought his superior play was eluding me. Then I thought if he was scum he wouldn't play this badly. Then I remembered he hasn't played a game in since forever. So maybe he's just playing badly as scum.
Vote: Robz888
Robz is making some pretty soft arguments and pushing Jake really hard over them. At first I thought his superior play was eluding me. Then I thought if he was scum he wouldn't play this badly. Then I remembered he hasn't played a game in since forever. So maybe he's just playing badly as scum.
Vote: Robz888
PPS, you know this is the losing route (for town). I know you know this is the losing route (for town). Punishing people for trying to build cases that make sense to them while the lurkers lurk and don't contribute is so bad. You're a valuable vet, I need you to, like, go along with me here.
Shoot, I wish I knew how more of you played. I've only played with like, 3 of the people in this game.I think this is genuine. Some town points for macgarnacle.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?what? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)He likes to debate so I feel like as scum he'd be more persistent and stubborn.
What what?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?what? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)He likes to debate so I feel like as scum he'd be more persistent and stubborn.
is there a version of jake that is more persistent and stubborn
is there a version of jake that is more persistent and stubbornBy far. I don't know if he could express this online but he could up his emoji game and just go off.
is there a version of jake that is more persistent and stubbornBy far. I don't know if he could express this online but he could up his emoji game and just go off.
PPe
that is not newsis there a version of jake that is more persistent and stubbornBy far. I don't know if he could express this online but he could up his emoji game and just go off.
PPe
Whatever.
Schadd, I'd love to see you join the Jake wagon.
So how else do I defend Jake? I don't know.
But the point is that you should listen to me. Jake hasn't been super helpful but that doesn't mean he's not town. I say back off and let the game run its course. Jake will probably slip up if he is scum.
*Drops mic*
PPE 3
Terrible. You are defending him because he's your friend, not for actual reasons. Jake has already slipped up. He's scum. I'm sure of it. I'll stake my reputation--50 games!--on it.
What's up everyone
What's up everyone
!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.
What's up everyone
!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.
Though if you had showed up 5 minutes earlier perhaps I wouldn't have needed to claim...
And this is why I still call myself a noob after a year
vote: jake
I am indeed! Have not been following the game really, but I know the setup. Excited to be Town because then I can't be mislynched!What's up everyone
!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.
I am indeed! Have not been following the game really, but I know the setup. Excited to be Town because then I can't be mislynched!What's up everyone
!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.
Jeez, how much more direct do I have to be with you people? I am a town PR, and I know that Jake is scum.
Hi! Yeah, it's certainly been awhile. I can't even remember the last game we played together.What's up everyone
!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.
Though if you had showed up 5 minutes earlier perhaps I wouldn't have needed to claim...
And, hi! It's been, what, 2 years?
Nice! Ok, well, I'll be rereading. The game is has much fewer posts than I thought it did.I am indeed! Have not been following the game really, but I know the setup. Excited to be Town because then I can't be mislynched!What's up everyone
!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.
Okay, well, here's everything you need to know, if you haven't read.Jeez, how much more direct do I have to be with you people? I am a town PR, and I know that Jake is scum.
Btw this isn't true. I actually want to lynch him more because he's my friendSo how else do I defend Jake? I don't know.
But the point is that you should listen to me. Jake hasn't been super helpful but that doesn't mean he's not town. I say back off and let the game run its course. Jake will probably slip up if he is scum.
*Drops mic*
PPE 3
Terrible. You are defending him because he's your friend, not for actual reasons. Jake has already slipped up. He's scum. I'm sure of it. I'll stake my reputation--50 games!--on it.
Jeez, how much more direct do I have to be with you people? I am a town PR, and I know that Jake is scum.If so what role how do we not know your not mafia claiming to be a PR to lynch me
On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.And what does flip town mean
On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.
On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.It's not that simple. If Robz is the Cop and Investigated Jake and got "Mafia" (Robz: don't say how you know he is scum, please), Jake could easily be Town and the psychotrooper power been used N1.
Vote: pingpongsam
Why in the world would you hammer this early?
On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.It's not that simple. If Robz is the Cop and Investigated Jake and got "Mafia" (Robz: don't say how you know he is scum, please), Jake could easily be Town and the psychotrooper power been used N1.
And why not do u not want us to anaylze you like you anazlyed me all day. Are you afraid that we'll find that your scum trying to get me lynchedOn a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.It's not that simple. If Robz is the Cop and Investigated Jake and got "Mafia" (Robz: don't say how you know he is scum, please), Jake could easily be Town and the psychotrooper power been used N1.
This is exactly the conversation we should not be having, so don't have it. Silence time, wait for flip.
Wait, could someone explain Jake's supposed scumslip to me? I read it, but I don't see how it is a slip.There's no slip. Robz is apparently a power role and he uses his role to find out that Jake is scum
Someone say something please I hate these long stretches were no one talksIt's been 10 minutes
Big emphasis on "apparently" and subsitute power role with scumWait, could someone explain Jake's supposed scumslip to me? I read it, but I don't see how it is a slip.There's no slip. Robz is apparently a power role and he uses his role to find out that Jake is scum
If you're a VT then we'll lynch Robz tomorrow and we'll trade 1 townie (you) for one scum (him). This is a good deal. This will be profitable to the town as a wholeBig emphasis on "apparently" and subsitute power role with scumWait, could someone explain Jake's supposed scumslip to me? I read it, but I don't see how it is a slip.There's no slip. Robz is apparently a power role and he uses his role to find out that Jake is scum
Jake, I really think you're town. However, Robz's information overrides any belief I may have. My faith has ben overridden by his evidence, in a senseThere's no evidence one claim supported by nothing does not prove anything. Plus if don't lynch me now you have 6 days to figure out whether that claim has any merit if you think so then lynch me then but lynch based on a claim with no proof is stupid
But it doesn't now so I can rage about being unjustly lynchedTrue, true. But you can be 100% honest now with no consequences: were you really a VT?
On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.
anyway, that makes enough sense. watcher for scum is a super good exchange. my intuition and that of, seemingly, a few other people, was right about jake, which kinda sucks. i don't like when my intuition is right.fixed. this is not a new problem (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15947.msg621920#msg621920)On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.i don't like this one. "i am totally so proud of that effective lynch that i just did but also it is entirely dependent on some event and doesn't count"
except the thing that i said about my intuition still stands. so where do we go from here?
Okay, now we know that Turret was overpowered, nice we killed it.
I will look into Jake's interactions, but for now feels like RR is his partner.
And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.
There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as
shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
ss
That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle
Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.This is an awful awful list.
There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as
shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
ss
That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle
Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.This is an awful awful list.
There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as
shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
ss
That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle
Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.
Also, Jake told (was it genuine?) that there's only three VTs so every scenario is here. That's kinda bad. Cop enabler... Should the cop claim now?
Nice we didn't lose IC yet.
And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.This is an awful awful list.
There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as
shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
ss
That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle
Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.
Agree with this in its entirety. Especially the Vote: schadd bit.
He was all over me D1 for making a clear town play (albeit blunt and unwieldy). He joined me on the Robz case when my real intention there was to move the game to someone not Jake, not necessarily Robz. I should say I read Robz town and wanted to see who would try to go with me against him. I didn't ever read Jake scum, though. Too bad I was too dense to get the insinuation of PR.
I think I am going he easy mislynch today, though because of my interaction surrounding Robz/Jake. The easy thing is to say I hammered Jake for cred when it was really just the obvious town play.
Did you intend to make a comment here? Or are you just agreeing?And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.This is an awful awful list.
There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as
shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
ss
That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle
Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.
Agree with this in its entirety. Especially the Vote: schadd bit.
He was all over me D1 for making a clear town play (albeit blunt and unwieldy). He joined me on the Robz case when my real intention there was to move the game to someone not Jake, not necessarily Robz. I should say I read Robz town and wanted to see who would try to go with me against him. I didn't ever read Jake scum, though. Too bad I was too dense to get the insinuation of PR.
I think I am going he easy mislynch today, though because of my interaction surrounding Robz/Jake. The easy thing is to say I hammered Jake for cred when it was really just the obvious town play.
I'm going to be away all day today. I'd vote, but I really have no idea of who could be scum. I'm glad I was right about Jake, my intuition is usually off.I need to go back and look at yesterday again since I don't actually remember who contributed to Jake's lynch before Robz's claim. Certainly I don't remember you as a primary driver of the Jake wagon. But again, that may well just be my memory.
Did you intend to make a comment here? Or are you just agreeing?And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.This is an awful awful list.
There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as
shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
ss
That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle
Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.
Agree with this in its entirety. Especially the Vote: schadd bit.
He was all over me D1 for making a clear town play (albeit blunt and unwieldy). He joined me on the Robz case when my real intention there was to move the game to someone not Jake, not necessarily Robz. I should say I read Robz town and wanted to see who would try to go with me against him. I didn't ever read Jake scum, though. Too bad I was too dense to get the insinuation of PR.
I think I am going he easy mislynch today, though because of my interaction surrounding Robz/Jake. The easy thing is to say I hammered Jake for cred when it was really just the obvious town play.
Something happening around McG, silver? I don't remember that. I remember finding him a bit scummy, that's it.I'm going to be away all day today. I'd vote, but I really have no idea of who could be scum. I'm glad I was right about Jake, my intuition is usually off.I need to go back and look at yesterday again since I don't actually remember who contributed to Jake's lynch before Robz's claim. Certainly I don't remember you as a primary driver of the Jake wagon. But again, that may well just be my memory.
I reckon new scum puts exactly one partner in their scumlists. So, PPS/MacGarnacle/Lalight, I reckon exactly one scum in those three.Well one person I'm pretty sure is scum is McGarnacle because during D-1 he and SA had a beef and on N-1 SA ends up dead. I'm also confindent that LaLight is scum but that's just how I feel not a lot of proof the third person who is mafia is pps due to having no clear side that he is on for anything or Haddock due to the fact that all of his posts are kind of aminous and pps and Haddock are constantly fighting so I think one is the third scumThen lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answersi'm not telling you to defend yourself, i'm telling you to come up with reasons that you ought to be alive. in spite of what the case with calamitas would lead you to believe, the reasons for lynching someone are not always gonna be how much they seem scum; if you're only gonna spend time defending yourself, then you aren't very useful for town. if you can succinctly defend yourself and then provide concrete reasons for why other people seem (un)suspicious then you will be an asset. presumably, everyone can respond logically to some arguments against them, regardless of alignment, and there's some things to which one can't respond logically to (e.g. posts giving some sort of bad impression, suspicion cast by nightkills, etc.)First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs soit says that the modifications all have a 50% chance of being present, in bold
8-5=3
Schadd looks bad. This was clearly a manufactured townslip, and this could well be schadd trying to help manufacture it.This could be a legit scumslip, I guess. Seems reasonably unlikely - it would rely on the setup having been rolled with all 5 modifiers, which is a smallish chance even with SA's flip.
also,And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?where are we getting that figure from, eh?
Eww.I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)decline.
It is my firm belief that Jake is not scum. Over the Internet, I think he'd be a halfway decent liar. However, I think I can explain to you exactly why Jake isn't scum. This might be slightly offensive to Jake but I think that deflating his ego will be beneficial overall.This isn't brilliant either. But it's very RR, I don't think he wins the most-egregious-defense-of-Jake award. That goes to either schadd or PPS.
Let's go, guys.
Before we start I just want to point out that I know Jake really flippin' well. I don't think this is cheating but I've been hanging out with him for years. I'd like to think that I can analyze him pretty well.
Just a FYI, Jake would not listen to any coaching in the scum QT.
Another FYI, if he's scum we'll know at a certain point. Like D4 it'll become SUPER obvious.
Anyway, I have 2 strong points: His age and his claim.
Back when I started playing Mafia, I was some dorky kid. I'm still some dorky kid, but i'm just now realizing that was exactly a year ago. Oh how time flies!
You guys aren't taking into account the fact that Jake is young and new to Mafia. If those two things aren't combined, it doesn't really matter (I'm young and a functional member of the town, Calamitas is new and super duper good.)
But Jake is going to play wayyyyyyy different. And that's going to be read as scummy. #differentisnotbadMy second point is that he claimed VT. Now, I'm pretty sure this is an Asher9++ setup, but I don't understand those at all. I literally have no idea how this setup gets determined. All I know is that it's popular and balanced.
It's no surprise to me that Jake claimed
Never mind, I just thought about it and that point is moot.
So how else do I defend Jake? I don't know.
But the point is that you should listen to me. Jake hasn't been super helpful but that doesn't mean he's not town. I say back off and let the game run its course. Jake will probably slip up if he is scum.
*Drops mic*
PPE 3
As scum I simply don't defend my partners. That's a thing I just don't have the stomach for.Can anyone contradict this? I need to have a look at my old scum game with PPS (I think I had one at some point) and see what that was about, but if anyone can remember specific instances of PPS defending a partner it would be helpful.
As scum I simply don't defend my partners. That's a thing I just don't have the stomach for.Can anyone contradict this? I need to have a look at my old scum game with PPS (I think I had one at some point) and see what that was about, but if anyone can remember specific instances of PPS defending a partner it would be helpful.
I'm between lalight, Mcgarnacle, and schadd. I honestly think scum!lalight and scum!Jake would go after each other like they did.I agree totally.
Unless he was coached, Jake won't bus. I do think the '3 VTs' thing was a planted slip though (or just a blunder by him/misunderstanding) so I'm not going to rule out the coaching possibility.What are you talking about? He never had the opportunity to bus anyone. Not really.
By bus I mean call scummy in a reads listUnless he was coached, Jake won't bus. I do think the '3 VTs' thing was a planted slip though (or just a blunder by him/misunderstanding) so I'm not going to rule out the coaching possibility.What are you talking about? He never had the opportunity to bus anyone. Not really.
And I strongly believe that the first thing you tell a new scum player in a scum QT is "don't be afraid to accuse us, that's OK, we'll all look better if we throw some suspicion at each other".
Then see the second paragraph of my post that you quoted.By bus I mean call scummy in a reads listUnless he was coached, Jake won't bus. I do think the '3 VTs' thing was a planted slip though (or just a blunder by him/misunderstanding) so I'm not going to rule out the coaching possibility.What are you talking about? He never had the opportunity to bus anyone. Not really.
And I strongly believe that the first thing you tell a new scum player in a scum QT is "don't be afraid to accuse us, that's OK, we'll all look better if we throw some suspicion at each other".
I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.
It is my firm belief that Jake is not scum. Over the Internet, I think he'd be a halfway decent liar. However, I think I can explain to you exactly why Jake isn't scum. This might be slightly offensive to Jake but I think that deflating his ego will be beneficial overall.
Let's go, guys.
Before we start I just want to point out that I know Jake really flippin' well. I don't think this is cheating but I've been hanging out with him for years. I'd like to think that I can analyze him pretty well.
Just a FYI, Jake would not listen to any coaching in the scum QT.
Another FYI, if he's scum we'll know at a certain point. Like D4 it'll become SUPER obvious.
Anyway, I have 2 strong points: His age and his claim.
Back when I started playing Mafia, I was some dorky kid. I'm still some dorky kid, but i'm just now realizing that was exactly a year ago. Oh how time flies!
You guys aren't taking into account the fact that Jake is young and new to Mafia. If those two things aren't combined, it doesn't really matter (I'm young and a functional member of the town, Calamitas is new and super duper good.)
But Jake is going to play wayyyyyyy different. And that's going to be read as scummy. #differentisnotbadMy second point is that he claimed VT. Now, I'm pretty sure this is an Asher9++ setup, but I don't understand those at all. I literally have no idea how this setup gets determined. All I know is that it's popular and balanced.
It's no surprise to me that Jake claimed
Never mind, I just thought about it and that point is moot.
So how else do I defend Jake? I don't know.
But the point is that you should listen to me. Jake hasn't been super helpful but that doesn't mean he's not town. I say back off and let the game run its course. Jake will probably slip up if he is scum.
*Drops mic*
PPE 3
For PPS: What is the town narrative for immediately hammering a player that gets to L-1?
uh oh. Everyone is wrong.
shadd is town.
LaLight probably town too.
I think Haddock has a good point about the one scum in reads list. vote: McG
uh oh. Everyone is wrong.Wrong. Good chance schadd is scum.
shadd is town.
LaLight probably town too.
I think Haddock has a good point about the one scum in reads list. vote: McG
Look at that avatar, then reconsider.Read schadd more carefully, then reconsider.
Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.
Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.
He was all over me D1 for making a clear town play (albeit blunt and unwieldy).uh, no, as i talked about here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg647853#msg647853). and, well, we get the bonus thing of how you hammered a town. clearly it can't be that dumb of a scum play
He joined me on the Robz case when my real intention there was to move the game to someone not Jake, not necessarily Robz. I should say I read Robz town and wanted to see who would try to go with me against him.i have voted robz once, during rvs. i don't think i expressed any suspicion against robz unless you count disagreeing with him about jake.
I think I am going he easy mislynch today, though because of my interaction surrounding Robz/Jake. The easy thing is to say I hammered Jake for cred when it was really just the obvious town play.is of course meaningless. i don't think obvious town plays exist, i think this is the sort of thing that merits more time to figure it out (especially considering that it says this setup is supposed to discourage towncred from claiming PRs). it is pretty easy, though, to decide, as scum, that if a partner goes to l-1 that you'll hammer them, because you can think about it in advance
Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.cool! am excited
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.
Look at that avatar, then reconsider.well, the avatar is conf!town (recommended by sa). but not substantive
in other other news, don't see where, like, any opinions about mcgarnacle are coming from, like, which of the 16 posts are we thinking of?
uh oh. Everyone is wrong.
shadd is town.
LaLight probably town too.
I think Haddock has a good point about the one scum in reads list. vote: McG
What happened?
This is fairly tenous since it relies on Lalight being scum, but this feels very constructed between the two of them.nohow do you know you're town? is it because you know everyone's alignme- waitSheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight
voting me is scummy (cause I'm town obviously)! vote: JReggie
Do you know it?
vote: ppsBut schadd throws his vote around all over the place trying desperately to get something to stick. This is fairly early on, but way past RVS. He very rarely gives good explanation for all the vote changes, they're usually attached to very short posts. There's a LOT of fluff coming from schadd in general, in fact. Lots of short meaningless posts.
i would say that baseball > scout + bird.
vote: roadrunner
i mean, if that's real, then that's pretty incriminating, although it might just be a nod more than anything. and also i wouldn't put it past rr to make something like that up.
jake, what say you?
oh also i guess it's sort of dependent on whether he's played mafia before. his introduction post made it sound like he did
jake the baseball god twenty two: has seemed, like, not too good. i think he ought to be able to get a footing before we tear into him, though.
yeah, i don't really think doubting people for, like, the (un-)noobiness of what they say is reliable. or, rather, that's not the thing that feels weird to me about jake. the sense i'm getting is that he already knows a bunch of the language (just from experience) but there is a faint tang of, like, quintuple-wifom, like, he's clearly attempting to say stuff in a 'towny' way but it also sort of explicitly sounds like he's trying to say stuff in a 'towny' way, etc. i am willing to believe that he is a god, not only of baseball.^^ OK I can't say this one here is hedging as such, it's just a cleverly-designed post, specifically made confusing so noone can actually figure out what schadd's read on Jake is.
of the current votes:
jake: uff. at the very least, his posts seem, like, scripted. but so much so that i don't think it could actually be coaching or whatever. so, null
re: jake—there is a lot of intuition happening that makes me want to vote him, but when i look at all the stuff, i get an overwhelming feeling that i could just be totally, way wrong and everything could sufficiently be explained by him being a person..
Coaching the newbie scumpartner? I think so.That's not a questionuh, okay, how about, what reasons do we have for not lynching you, and why would we want to inform you of things that you say that sound scummy to us? as it is at the moment, robz has provided a few reasons for suspecting you (that have been a bit gut & tacit, which is fine) and you spent a bunch of time trying to refute one of them. some other people, as well, have been suspecting you for a while, and i was sort of giving you a D1 pass. it's D2 now, and if you're gonna try to give us a reason not to lynch you, you won't be able to do it by talking about yourself, and we're not gonna tell you what about your posts rubs us the wrong way.
Helping Jake to construct the fake townslip.
also,And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?where are we getting that figure from, eh?
Don't really need to say more about that.I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)decline.
sure.
vote: calamitas
i would say that i suspect pps and rr most, about the same amount, and calamitas a little bit less (i wasn't lying before, but yeah this last part has seemed a bit sketch). all 3 of these are better than no lynch for me, though, thus i will vote wherever a vote matters the most (which is to say, if any of these three get momentum)
Another example. Why is he trying to give motivation for voting calamitas now? Why is he qualifying everything he says? And he's STILL hedging on things. Not Jake this time, but still.How many scum do we think were off wagon? Because there aren't very many still-living players there in total. Like, Silverspawn is the only person who voted for someone other than Calamtias at day's close.
for a while i thought that 3 scums would've had to be on it, or at least it would've been easy to manipulate somehow, because it was sort of hurried and close to the deadline (and that was sort of my motivation for voting calam), but eventually everyone did weigh in on it (except mcgarnacle i think). so i dunno. gonna reread space
kinda confident about calFollowed immediately by "whoops, shouldn't have said that, better backpedal a bit":
or, well, i haven't changed my mind at all
Anyone care to respond to that?
Anyone care to respond to that?
I was wrong about schadd voting Robz with me at the end of the day. On review that was RR.Funny, I also thought that was schadd and thought it was scummy. Until that case, essentially.
Vote: RR
Well, I thought I had narrowed down my scum reads, but now I'm not so sure.Care to be any more specific on that front?
Throwing his vote around <- Town tell, scum is more aware of their voteSee bold bits.
Disagree. This was throwing around with no explanation, desperately trying to get a wagon going. Scummy
Talking about jake a lot <- Town tell, noob!scum tends to ignore their partner
Hedging, I said. Hedging. He never expresses a solid read on Jake whatsoever. Which is exactly what scum would try to do.
Attempting to coach jake <- Town tell, any scum would be afraid to do that
Disagree. Schadd is exactly inexperienced enough to try to subtly tell a newbie partner what to do.
"decline"-post <- definite town tell, scum would feel pressured to say something there
Mmmm. MAYBE I agree with you there.
the last one is big. I'd really think twice about lynching him based on that alone
Which last one? The last pair of quotes I isolate?
fluff <- can be either. some players are less fluffy as scum, some more. probably a scum tell for a new player
Note this kind of fluff. He's trying to distract from the game.
all in all, solid town. let's not lynch.
Sigh...
vote: ppsBut schadd throws his vote around all over the place trying desperately to get something to stick. This is fairly early on, but way past RVS. He very rarely gives good explanation for all the vote changes, they're usually attached to very short posts. There's a LOT of fluff coming from schadd in general, in fact. Lots of short meaningless posts.
this was me calling out what i thought was a scumslip (accidentally letting on that he knew the PR distribution) and then i didn't think it was lynchworthy was that the math checked out with a somewhat reasonable setup misread.Helping Jake to construct the fake townslip.
also,And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?where are we getting that figure from, eh?
"forced jokes" and "trying to distract from the game" you might have to elaborate on. i found in ghibli that it's super easy to place scum motivations behind stuff if you already suspect the person, and i don't really see how trying to distract from the game would actually ever work
I was wrong about schadd voting Robz with me at the end of the day. On review that was RR.Funny, I also thought that was schadd and thought it was scummy. Until that case, essentially.
Vote: RR
I don't disagree with your read on RR. But I still think schadd is scummier.
See italic bits!Throwing his vote around <- Town tell, scum is more aware of their voteSee bold bits.
Disagree. This was throwing around with no explanation, desperately trying to get a wagon going. Scummy
Just not a scum tell imE
Talking about jake a lot <- Town tell, noob!scum tends to ignore their partner
Hedging, I said. Hedging. He never expresses a solid read on Jake whatsoever. Which is exactly what scum would try to do.
Okay, somewhat true
Attempting to coach jake <- Town tell, any scum would be afraid to do that
Disagree. Schadd is exactly inexperienced enough to try to subtly tell a newbie partner what to do.
Doubt it
"decline"-post <- definite town tell, scum would feel pressured to say something there
Mmmm. MAYBE I agree with you there.
Great!
the last one is big. I'd really think twice about lynching him based on that alone
Which last one? The last pair of quotes I isolate?
The previous point
fluff <- can be either. some players are less fluffy as scum, some more. probably a scum tell for a new player
Note this kind of fluff. He's trying to distract from the game.
°°
all in all, solid town. let's not lynch.
Sigh...
Maybe that specific vote was a bad example. But you've done it a lot.vote: ppsBut schadd throws his vote around all over the place trying desperately to get something to stick. This is fairly early on, but way past RVS. He very rarely gives good explanation for all the vote changes, they're usually attached to very short posts. There's a LOT of fluff coming from schadd in general, in fact. Lots of short meaningless posts.
shortly after that quoted post, you did a post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg647064#msg647064) where you were a Cool Guy and Read Into It and also incidentally didn't vote on it. votes with no explanation that follow a post by the person you voted have an implicit "that post looks scummy to me." and you agreed with that implicit statement.this was me calling out what i thought was a scumslip (accidentally letting on that he knew the PR distribution) and then i didn't think it was lynchworthy was that the math checked out with a somewhat reasonable setup misread.Helping Jake to construct the fake townslip.
also,And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?where are we getting that figure from, eh?
uh, the rest of it, in magic terms, resolves. i think that i was like that in ghibli also, just because i am quite not sure of things. this was the case with jake; i had a gutty read against him that i didn't really trust without any particular strong point of evidence; in fact, the roadrunner thing (i am totally confident you're scum, wait nvm) seemed to me like a pretty strong piece of evidence against the lynch.
"forced jokes" and "trying to distract from the game" you might have to elaborate on. i found in ghibli that it's super easy to place scum motivations behind stuff if you already suspect the person, and i don't really see how trying to distract from the game would actually ever work
I'm familiar with the phrase "confirmation bias", you don't have to use small words."forced jokes" and "trying to distract from the game" you might have to elaborate on. i found in ghibli that it's super easy to place scum motivations behind stuff if you already suspect the person, and i don't really see how trying to distract from the game would actually ever work
these posts are an example of that phenomenon:I was wrong about schadd voting Robz with me at the end of the day. On review that was RR.Funny, I also thought that was schadd and thought it was scummy. Until that case, essentially.
Vote: RR
I don't disagree with your read on RR. But I still think schadd is scummier.
"decline"-post <- definite town tell, scum would feel pressured to say something there
The previous point. This one:I finally understand you.Quote"decline"-post <- definite town tell, scum would feel pressured to say something there
I'm familiar with the phrase "confirmation bias", you don't have to use small words.this is another example. i talk like that all the time always in any place
That's not what this is.
hoping for Arch to be the voice of reasonDude.
Well, I thought I had narrowed down my scum reads, but now I'm not so sure.Care to be any more specific on that front?
Oh, and then there's RR with his whole defending Jake thing. I could go either way on that, so I'd like to see a response from him to that case. Maybe he did and I missed it.What do you want me to say? I thought Jake was scum then I changed my mind.
Oh, and then there's RR with his whole defending Jake thing. I could go either way on that, so I'd like to see a response from him to that case. Maybe he did and I missed it.What do you want me to say? I thought Jake was scum then I changed my mind.
I think it was his 'desperation' type of stuff. He seemed sort of like a kicked puppy, he didn't know what he did wrong but he wanted to fix itOh, and then there's RR with his whole defending Jake thing. I could go either way on that, so I'd like to see a response from him to that case. Maybe he did and I missed it.What do you want me to say? I thought Jake was scum then I changed my mind.
So, you were bussing for cred but backed out when it got real? What made you think he wasn't scum? Granted I didn't think he was either but the. I never did to begin with.
I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rrDo you think you can accurately read me?
I'm having a hard time not seeing RR as scum. vote: rr
I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rrDo you think you can accurately read me?
Do you have confidence in your ability to figure out whether I'm town or scum in any given game?I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rrDo you think you can accurately read me?
What do you mean?
Do you have confidence in your ability to figure out whether I'm town or scum in any given game?I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rrDo you think you can accurately read me?
What do you mean?
I do not like this. But I'm trying to fight the OMGUS. Do other people not like this?Well, I thought I had narrowed down my scum reads, but now I'm not so sure.Care to be any more specific on that front?
Well, I had thought that two of schadd, McGarnacle, and lalight are scum, but now you and ss are candidates.
I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rrToo many people who are either conf!scum (ie. Jake) or quite scummy have been voting RR.
where's everybody? Who are we gonna lynch?My thoughts exactly. I feel like only about two people are actually here and willing to contribute reads.
Okay, so for me, the only 2 people who are all that suspicious are schadd (based on Haddock's re-read) and LaLight (based on the way he is so much less helpful then he was in Time Loops). I'll maybe do a full re-read of LaLight later.Much as I appreciate your agreement re. schadd, I find the fact that you're not even mentioning silver's response to my reread very suspicious.
Well, this wagon isn't composed entirely of my scum-reads, but I don't like the way lalight just jumped on it.
I could go with McGarnacle as well. I'm suspecting a newbie team here and I've found its much more difficult to sub and get into a game as scum than town.I've had the exact same feeling. I don't know why.
Vote: McGarnacle
Well, this wagon isn't composed entirely of my scum-reads, but I don't like the way lalight just jumped on it.Totally agree.
Tell ya'll what. Imma hammer whoever gets to L-1. I love me some hammers.
That seems anti-town...
Maybe. These wagon run ups with no real intent are annoying. Besides I could be offline so it's like Russian roulette if someone goes L-1.
The question you have to ask is whether scum!PPS is just going to hammer Willy nilly like that.
Why is the IC not giving reads? I'm not arguing just trying to get my head around it.I felt like this as SK in mail-mi's last game when WW refused to give reads. WW wasn't an IC by any means, but it freaked me out a little because it made him unpredictable.
I am also still awaiting RR's response to this post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649933#msg649933).I replied to pps and that's my response to your post
Let's see if he has anything to say before anyone hammers.
Let's see if he has anything to say before anyone hammers.
aww...
Anybody thinking McGiggles went to L-1 with interest in hammers way quick?
Anybody thinking McGiggles went to L-1 with interest in hammers way quick?
I'm not. Everyone thought he's scummy actually. Everyone picked from either RR/McG, Schadd/McG, me/McG. So when the wagon formed, everyone picked.
I could go with McGarnacle as well. I'm suspecting a newbie team here and I've found its much more difficult to sub and get into a game as scum than town.I've had the exact same feeling. I don't know why.
Vote: McGarnacle
Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.
Anybody thinking McGiggles went to L-1 with interest in hammers way quick?
I'm not. Everyone thought he's scummy actually. Everyone picked from either RR/McG, Schadd/McG, me/McG. So when the wagon formed, everyone picked.
Where was Jake on McGlasnost?
I'm a Vanilla Core. I admittedly haven't been very active for most of this game, but recently I think I was plenty active. I still think LaLight and Schadd are suspicious, but I'm starting to get a feeling that Haddock is behind an evil masterplan.agree that the first thing looks kinda weird (self-aware chuckle, etc.)This feels REALLY scummy to me, and this kind of just-supporting-what-someone-else-says thing is one of the main things I was accused of. Also, he seemed to really quickly move to my wagon AFTER having posted this:I could go with McGarnacle as well. I'm suspecting a newbie team here and I've found its much more difficult to sub and get into a game as scum than town.I've had the exact same feeling. I don't know why.
Vote: McGarnacleUgh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.That's really all I have to say. Don't lynch me.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.
lalight was voting him already
This is why we can't have nice things.
Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intentThis is why we can't have nice things.
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I was just setting up the pumpkins outside and PPS has to come and hammer.
Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intentThis is why we can't have nice things.
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He claimed already, why do you need to intent
Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intentI was hoping to catch an admission from him that he was scum from the fakehammer.This is why we can't have nice things.
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Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intentThis is why we can't have nice things.
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He claimed already, why do you need to intent
Hmm, good point. I guess I'm just so used to it being the thing to do.
oh, sorry. also sorry there were two vote counts immediately before and afterActually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intentI was hoping to catch an admission from him that he was scum from the fakehammer.This is why we can't have nice things.
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Yeah. I was hoping mail-mi wouldn't update the vote count. Oh well. It's worth a shot at least. I think that's what LaLight was trying to do.oh, sorry. also sorry there were two vote counts immediately before and afterActually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intentI was hoping to catch an admission from him that he was scum from the fakehammer.This is why we can't have nice things.
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Yeah. I was hoping mail-mi wouldn't update the vote count. Oh well. It's worth a shot at least. I think that's what LaLight was trying to do.oh, sorry. also sorry there were two vote counts immediately before and afterActually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intentI was hoping to catch an admission from him that he was scum from the fakehammer.This is why we can't have nice things.
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This is why we can't have nice things.
And NOW i vote: schadd because there's absolutely no reason Haddock didn't tunnel him D3 if schadd is not a scum.
And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.This is an awful awful list.
There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as
shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
ss
That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle
Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.
and yes, I'm aware there's a psychotrooper, but I don't think it was used so late.
Gone to reread Haddock.
PPE: 1
About to get on a train, more later.
But right now, calling a
Jake/lalight/schadd
scumteam.
Could be.
Does the Goon flip prove that there can't be all modifications? Not sure how they are attributed toward scum.
Ah, I see.
In that case the fact that they IC keeps not being shot could also imply a doctor.
Ah, I see.
In that case the fact that they IC keeps not being shot could also imply a doctor.
Man, that's not the case or there'll be no kill at all. We don't have any signs doctor exists.
Ah, I see.
In that case the fact that they IC keeps not being shot could also imply a doctor.
Man, that's not the case or there'll be no kill at all. We don't have any signs doctor exists.
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The IC is the prime target barring hard information about PRs. A doctor increases the odds of him being protected, which makes him a worse target, which decreases the odds of him being targeted. He hasn't been targeted, therefore the odds of a doctor increase.
Yeah I was thinking that too. Jake probably scumslipped.Definitely
mcgarnacle's might have just been a town wagon; i don't know that anyone at all was against it other than mcg himself. that said, saying that you're gonna reread everything later in the week (and suggesting that the wagon formed too quickly) but then hammering later in the day, a week before the deadline, on somebody that was scummy yet sorta inactive, is totally textbook scummy and that pushes me over the edge a good bit
vote: pps
in the meantime, crudbutts. uh, i would ask, when would you psychotroop if not n1 or n2?
I don't think the odds of doing it n1 are that much higher than night 2 because of WIFOM. It's a self regulating behavior.
guys, there's still 5 towns. We can do it! even been losing every PR.Don't congratulate me, congratulate your scumbuddies!
Also, Arch, congratulations! I've never seen the IC who's still alive D4 :)
Yep, I guess so :( was waiting for it too.
So, @JReggie, @Arch, others, what do you think of lynching Schadd based on Haddock's tunneling?
Yep, I guess so :( was waiting for it too.
So, @JReggie, @Arch, others, what do you think of lynching Schadd based on Haddock's tunneling?
I think that's a bad reason to lynch schadd. But luckily it's not the only reason to lynch schadd.
Intent to hammer schadd.
Are you serious? Someone unvote.Why tho
Are you serious? Someone unvote.
Intent to hammer schadd.
Wat
He has one vote :)
I don't think so. We lynch schadd and then figure out tomorrow if we should lynch LL or SS.
I thought we were waiting on another vote...
vt
If we assume that all 5 PRs are present, no claim is "safe". However, it would still be better to claim a PR in order to out the respective town PR (unless scum already has full information?)
Could be a sign of town, or of noob!scum.
If we assume that all 5 PRs are present, no claim is "safe". However, it would still be better to claim a PR in order to out the respective town PR (unless scum already has full information?)Or WIFOM.
Could be a sign of town, or of noob!scum.
If we assume that all 5 PRs are present, no claim is "safe". However, it would still be better to claim a PR in order to out the respective town PR (unless scum already has full information?)
Could be a sign of town, or of noob!scum.
But do you understand, that if anyone now will come and say he's VT (and we assume there's 3 VT at all) then scum will know all the players who are PR. So VT is not only safe but gives scum much of the info!
vote: schadd if he flips town lynch LaLightFTFY
don't lynch lalight
don't lynch lalight
Is he your scum buddy?
uh, no, it's me being town and disagreeing with rrdon't lynch lalight
Is he your scum buddy?
Total WIFOM
also the pps thing seems especially stupid when it's on me. and uh i don't like that lalight is excitedly waiting on it, and i would dislike it for either alignment of hisWell, I'm like 99% sure you're scum, so this is it, sorry.
Actually unvote. I want to hammer.
i mean, if pps would only do the vote if it were a hammer, then it's a bad vote anywayActually unvote. I want to hammer.
So, if I'm getting it right, you want to hammer and PPS will only hammer so this is like a dead end.
Actually, this is huge scum point to JReggie. He voted Schadd (maybe looked into is PPS online) to bus and seem more town later but then unvoted with no actual reason knowing that PPS will only hammer and not vote, so now we won't lynch Schadd again.
Now it's schadd/JR team that seems really possible. Can anyone confirm my suspicions?
it was really just the obvious town play.and there's still like a week left in the day and not very many different people have been vocal, and next to no one has presented any distinctive cases/reads, nor considered the possibility that psychotrooper happened on one of the two nights that it's by farthe most likely to happen. really, the last while has just felt like people making nonarguments/discussing the implications of my flip and creating a sort of illusion of unanimity
IMO we have two scums here and can't decide which one to lynch. Ridiculous...while the wagons were on spaceanemone (which i would say was intuitive but not really thoroughly thought through) and j reggie (was scum). sa got lynched. lalight hadn't really made any case against sa to speak of, and in fact our IC was on j r, but people sorta stuck on sa
at lylo, joseph was my top read at the time (and town :L) and after this i was sorta tempted to vote for him, before everyone had gone around and reread. j regg was my more empirical read that i might have come around to, and gkrieg was my top town read that i might have reconsidered based on how weird his readposts were.Guys I'm good.
And Gkrieg is bad.
There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.
Guys. Wtf are we waiting for. vote: Joseph
And now i realised one very bad thing. I will try to explain it and everyone needs to listen really carefully.are you familiar with the concept of clickbait?
Why are you doing this lalight? Like, are you trying to sound scummy?
And now i realised one very bad thing. I will try to explain it and everyone needs to listen really carefully.are you familiar with the concept of clickbait?
OMG staup just tell us
And now i realised one very bad thing. I will try to explain it and everyone needs to listen really carefully.
If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.
Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.
tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.
PPE: 1
If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.
Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.
tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.
PPE: 1
This
This is the super important thing that we have to listen really carefully to?If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.
Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.
tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.
PPE: 1
This
If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.
Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.
tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.
PPE: 1
This
I think you overestimate the certainty. While you are a top scumread for me I am equally if not ore so suspicious of ss. Not to mention much of the concern you express for yourself I feel for myself.
That said, it seems very odd to be positioning yourself so strongly today when you are not the one everyone is keen to lynch.
This is the super important thing that we have to listen really carefully to?If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.
Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.
tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.
PPE: 1
This
That was too much hype. I thought PPS scumslipped.
And do you realize it sounds like you know he's town and want to make an excuse so we don't lynch you tomorrow?
And do you realize it sounds like you know he's town and want to make an excuse so we don't lynch you tomorrow?
Haddock's behavior the previous day doesn't really make that much sense if schadd isn't scum.uh, yes it does, because of psychotrooper. cop can get a false positive. his behavior really doesn't make sense if he didn't get a scum result from copping me but that's it
I find it unlikely that the psychotrooper wouldn't be used this late in the game.Haddock's behavior the previous day doesn't really make that much sense if schadd isn't scum.uh, yes it does, because of psychotrooper. cop can get a false positive. his behavior really doesn't make sense if he didn't get a scum result from copping me but that's it
the two nights that preceded haddock's tunneling of me were N1 and N2I find it unlikely that the psychotrooper wouldn't be used this late in the game.Haddock's behavior the previous day doesn't really make that much sense if schadd isn't scum.uh, yes it does, because of psychotrooper. cop can get a false positive. his behavior really doesn't make sense if he didn't get a scum result from copping me but that's it
Oh wow, that's nice. I'd like to see SS's reasoning for his other two targets.
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One more crazy thought. SS is scum. He claims RB (I'm not even trying to parse the setup, that always gets me killed). He convinces us to mislynch a townie today. He refuses NK tonight and we are convinced to kill another townie tomorrow. That night he NKs one of the ICs. Boom, he wins. Right?
Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it. We lynch RR today. If he flips scum, we win, great. If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum. Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.
Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it. We lynch RR today. If he flips scum, we win, great. If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum. Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.
no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.
Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it. We lynch RR today. If he flips scum, we win, great. If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum. Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.
no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.
Why would you do that though?
So PPS is 100% an IC, right? There are no edge cases?
Yeah I think I'm gonna trust SS on this oneSo PPS is 100% an IC, right? There are no edge cases?
Edge case is SS is town but totally lying.
Or could he be scum?
Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it. We lynch RR today. If he flips scum, we win, great. If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum. Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.
no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.
Why would you do that though?
Because the claim looks pretty legit if no NK happens.
Can someone who is good at setups tell me if the RB claim is a super duper strong one, as in there must be one because we already flipped the alternating scum role? If so, no counterclaim is paramount to credibility.
@J Reggie if you're so confident why don't we switch you and me in your plan?
Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it. We lynch RR today. If he flips scum, we win, great. If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum. Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.
no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.
Why would you do that though?
Because the claim looks pretty legit if no NK happens.
But that's the thing. We've discussed this. Say RR does flip town. We know that SS has to no-kill, or else he insta-loses. There is literally no way to go wrong from my perspective.
So -- if we mislynch today, we're 4. Blocking scum then doesn't really do anything, because scum will no-kill for sure.
But there might be something, it depends on how this is ruled...
How are deliberate no-kill -> deliberate nolnych cycles handled, if they start with a no-kill?
The hope is this: if it is ruled in such a way that no-one can no-X three times, in a row, then I can IC myself. This is how it'd work in detail
1. We Lynch Town [now we're 4 with one scum]
2. I RB scum, scum no-kills, you suspect I might be scum no-killing [first no-kill]
3. we no-lynch [first no-lynch]
4. I RB scum, scum no-kills, you suspect I might be scum no-killing [second no-kill]
5. we no-lynch [second no-lynch]
>> Now Scum can no longer submit No-kill <<
6. I RB scum, scum tries to shoot, no-one dies. Now you know I am an IC because, as scum, I'd have had to kill someone. I can't RB myself to prevent the kill
7. We lynch scum and win
Or, or, this might sound crazy guys but just hear me out:
We lynch J Reggie and win.
I meet at least one of the conditions you stated above.Or, or, this might sound crazy guys but just hear me out:
We lynch J Reggie and win.
Only way that works for you is if you're town or the no-lynch no-kill thing works differently. Otherwise you'll be conf!scum in a few days.
What?What are you whatting?
What?What are you whatting?
I think you're reading the setup wrong PPS. The remaining scum has to be Cave Johnson.
Oh, LL flipped Space Core... not in the lineup spoilers yet (neither is schadd, btw).
Oh, LL flipped Space Core... not in the lineup spoilers yet (neither is schadd, btw).
That doesn't matter though. There's only one of each flavor except Vanilla Core.
So, it's possible for Town to have more PRs than there are scum??
Let's just wait for the mod to confirm SS's theory. If so, my plan gives us a 100% win rate even with the contingency that I am scum. There's literally no reason not to do it.
Nice.I'm not so good at making cases but I can try.
I'd like for J Reggie and Roadrunner7671 to formulate a case on the other. Most convincing one gets to live (for now).
I'm just waiting for the cases.
Which one is better?
1. A case only on why J Reggie is scum.
2. A case only on why I'm town.
3. A case with both elements but in less detail.
vote: RR
Tick tock!
Does anyone think ss might pull a bold move like he's doing now as scum?
Does anyone think ss might pull a bold move like he's doing now as scum?Yes.
Does anyone think ss might pull a bold move like he's doing now as scum?Yes.
And btw you have an awful record at mafia rrI don't think Jake would say this to me if I was his fellow scumbuddy.
I bless upon thy soul of schadd that he liveth in peace and prosperity ;D ;D ;DHe said this to his scum buddy, which is a stark contrast to what he said to me.
So I'm pretty ill and I generally have a lack of motivation
I almost want to lynch ss.
Nuh uhI almost want to lynch ss.
^ this is our scum.
I think he would talk to you about the game in person as scum buddies, which is a bigger tell IMO.And btw you have an awful record at mafia rrI don't think Jake would say this to me if I was his fellow scumbuddy.
No, I have nothing to say.I mean, you can't disagree that you haven't done some very scummy things
Looks like I'm still difficult to read.
I'd like to see Arch make a strong case why it isn't silver.
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
This and why on earth would I clear you. That makes no sense. Also why would I use the reasoning I did last night on RR. Makes no sense either.
How is that a fabrication? There's no arguing that you've been lurky, whatever the reason.
Also there's no way all the PRs are present. Pps could still be the doctor, but I'm a VT so that whole Jake argument is baloney.
How is that a fabrication? There's no arguing that you've been lurky, whatever the reason.
I just hate how lurker!scum has been winning games recently. Let's not let this happen here.
do you want to hammer scum?
do you want to hammer scum?
That's a silly question. Of course, I prefer to win. But the condition created here is one where I have to settle for seeking consensus with the one other person I can completely trust. At that point we will have made a decision based on the best information we have. As in life, that is the best I can do and having done my best and still found failure is no failure at all. I think the worst I could do now is act on my decision without consulting with Arch (and it has occurred to me for sure).
I think the choice would be lots clearer had we lynched JR yesterday instead. I'd like to hear silver explain why he preferred RR over JR.
Super busy this week, but I'll get to this in a few days. I'm leaning J Reggie being scum just because it doesn't make sense for Mafia PRs otherwise. I'm going to reread a bit for partner interactions and suggest PPS does the same.
I thought it'd be pretty obvious that ss is lying.Why?
Well, there' setup stuff in there so I am lost as all hell.
I do strongly concur with J Reggie's argument against SS. that SS was doing mostly nothing all game is indicative of him being a PR but I'm not sure of which alignment. J Reggie played a great scum game as far as votes and positions against town and interaction in general. I have been operating on the assumption that schadd correctly targeted a PR every night since they never NK'd the IC but always hit a PR and always drove the mislynches onto VTs. That SS claims to have blocked schadd kinda gums that idea up, I think.
Well, there' setup stuff in there so I am lost as all hell.I would urge you to read the setup. These are facts and are more concrete than individual reads.
an experienced player (namely ss) to deduce who is acting like a PR.
an experienced player (namely ss) to deduce who is acting like a PR.
Even at the top of my game, I am god-awful at detecting PR slips. You will not find a single game on this forum or in the two championship games where I have successfully NK'd a PR based on a PR-read. I am pretty sure that I have mentioned this a couple of times, too. Definitely mentioned it in the m/chat of the second championship game. Unfortunately we used skype so I can't link to it.
Not that your narrative wouldn't be convoluted anyway.
Well first of all he does Pretty much nothing for the whole game
It's not hard to NK the PRs when you have a Flavor Cop teeing them up for you. That's not convoluted at all.
Well, there' setup stuff in there so I am lost as all hell.I would urge you to read the setup. These are facts and are more concrete than individual reads.
It's not hard to NK the PRs when you have a Flavor Cop teeing them up for you. That's not convoluted at all.
Not J Reggie's point. He argued that the targeting of PRs implies me being on the team because I'm good at finding PR's. Which I am not whatsoever.
So, we know that Robz was a Watcher. The only way he would know for certain that Jake was scum was if he had watched Space-A and saw that Jake kill them. Now, Mafia cannot kill and use a power in the same night. Jake is clearly the team's most beefed up player. Therefore, to rationalize having Jake commit the kill the other two Mafia members must have a role good enough to use N1. Psychotrooper is awesome, yet predictable N1. If schadd was a Goon, it would make sense that they would have him kill someone. But they don't, implying that he has a PR to use. If he does (aka the Flavor Cop) it would mean that there is a Roleblocker which would mean that silverspawn is Town.
completely forgot about the powers scum gets as a compensation ...
@PPS: This one is simple. There is only a Roleblocker in this setup when there's also a Flavor Cop. PRs dying left and right shows that there is a Flavor cop, so there is a Roleblocker, which is me.
It's not just that. That is minor. The bigger point is that Jake would have done the kill only if scum has a Flavor Cop.completely forgot about the powers scum gets as a compensation ...
@PPS: This one is simple. There is only a Roleblocker in this setup when there's also a Flavor Cop. PRs dying left and right shows that there is a Flavor cop, so there is a Roleblocker, which is me.
I'm feeling weirdly misunderstood. This is the only thing I have grasped about the setup. Like, this is exactly what I've been saying.
So, we do agree J Reggie is the bad guy?Yeah, I think that's the most likely scenario.
Damn, you took the hammer :(Nope, he's at L-1. It's all you, man.
great. I'm town.
If we won then I'm firmly committed to never reading a setup again because I clearly don't need to (nor should I).Nah man. The exact opposite. Setup Spec. > Reads.
If we won then I'm firmly committed to never reading a setup again because I clearly don't need to (nor should I).Nah man. The exact opposite. Setup Spec. > Reads.
Also, Robz could have won the game a lot sooner for you guys. I don't know why he didn't.
I hope you all enjoyed the flavor, that was my favorite thing to do all game. It was also fun to cycle through each "bad guy" in the Portal/Portal 2 storyline in the vote count quotes as scum died.
Who do you guys think for MVP?
vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
Haddock gets my vote.
Fun game! Thanks for introducing me to the flavor, mail-mi. I have definitely been watching a lot of Portal on Youtube.That's genius!
So, I watched Jake on Night 1, and saw Haddock target him. When this did not kill Jake, and when Haddock seemed pretty confident Jake was scum, I deduced that Haddock was the cop. I then took over the effort to get Jake lynched, which I'm happy to report seemed to convince you that I was the cop rather than Haddock. Yay!
So guys.:'(
This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.
See you guys later, maybe
-- mail-mi.
So guys.Woah. So this is just it?
This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.
See you guys later, maybe
-- mail-mi.
So guys.
This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.
See you guys later, maybe
-- mail-mi.
So guys.Woah. So this is just it?
This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.
See you guys later, maybe
-- mail-mi.
Where are you headed?
So guys.
This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.
See you guys later, maybe
-- mail-mi.
Okay, I don't really want to be that guy, but I sort of assumed you'd be out of contact because you'd be in a Somalian village or something. Are there rules permitting electronic devices or something similar?So guys.Woah. So this is just it?
This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.
See you guys later, maybe
-- mail-mi.
Where are you headed?
This is just it.
Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm really looking forward to it. :)
Thanks for the sentiments guys! I'll probably keep checking the forums until I leave but I won't be joining in any more games.
Okay, I don't really want to be that guy, but I sort of assumed you'd be out of contact because you'd be in a Somalian village or something. Are there rules permitting electronic devices or something similar?So guys.Woah. So this is just it?
This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.
See you guys later, maybe
-- mail-mi.
Where are you headed?
This is just it.
Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm really looking forward to it. :)
Thanks for the sentiments guys! I'll probably keep checking the forums until I leave but I won't be joining in any more games.
I don't want to sound mean or get int too much RSP but...why? Do Mormons believe god cares?Okay, I don't really want to be that guy, but I sort of assumed you'd be out of contact because you'd be in a Somalian village or something. Are there rules permitting electronic devices or something similar?So guys.Woah. So this is just it?
This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.
See you guys later, maybe
-- mail-mi.
Where are you headed?
This is just it.
Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm really looking forward to it. :)
Thanks for the sentiments guys! I'll probably keep checking the forums until I leave but I won't be joining in any more games.
I will have a tablet, but there are strict regulations as to what websites I can visit.
Thanks for the game. I live close to Charlotte but if you can't visit f.ds you probably can't be found associating with a terrible person like me.
Who do you guys think for MVP?shadd.
see you in 2 years, mail-mi. Don't just disappear after that!
I think that RR and Haddock and schadd are confirmed town because they have done nothing scummy and if i'm not lynched I hope that I can help the town find the scum and hopefully lynch them.rr has done nothing scummy except tunnel the everloving crap out of you, who's supposedly town
see you in 2 years, mail-mi. Don't just disappear after that!
It all depends on what I'm doing at that point, and where Forum Mafia is at that point too.
see you in 2 years, mail-mi. Don't just disappear after that!
It all depends on what I'm doing at that point, and where Forum Mafia is at that point too.
sure, but you can at least drop in