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[faust]

Also if we all breadcrumb that we are the traitor, isn't that a good thing?

No.

[Eevee]

vote: WW for being a traitor

Only mafia can know traitor in some setups... vote: gkrieg

While the mafia would most certainly like to communicate their identity to a traitor, I expect a bit more subtlety from scum!gkrieg.

Then again, it's possible he's banking on that. And using the word traitor in connection with a specific name is definitely a scum thing to do in this setup.

Okay, vote: gkrieg

I get the first part, but I don't get the second part.  Why does using the word traitor in connection with a specific name (a person not in this game, and that I vote every RVS) scummy?

Why did you make that post? (Referring to the original traitor - post.)

[LaLight]

vote: WW for being a traitor

Only mafia can know traitor in some setups... vote: gkrieg

While the mafia would most certainly like to communicate their identity to a traitor, I expect a bit more subtlety from scum!gkrieg.

Then again, it's possible he's banking on that. And using the word traitor in connection with a specific name is definitely a scum thing to do in this setup.

Okay, vote: gkrieg

I get the first part, but I don't get the second part.  Why does using the word traitor in connection with a specific name (a person not in this game, and that I vote every RVS) scummy?

Why did you make that post? (Referring to the original traitor - post.)

Eevee, you're breadcrumbing traitor?

[Calamitas]

vote: gkrieg
You just don't be the first to use the word traitor in this setup, you just don't.

[Eevee]

No!!

All my experiences with gkrieg lead me to be believe that he is a very sharp guy. Making traitor-jokes in this setup is.. not good. Isn't that post almost akin to someone breadcrumbing a town role that can only exist once, and then the person who actually has that role dying (and flipping their role) later and someone catching the breadcrumb someone else made. The traitor does want to signal their existence to the mafia, so there is the clear scum narrative for doing something like that, but town really has no reason to do it.

So, I'm wondering if I'm missing something. Admittedly,itt does seem a little on the nose for him to do as the traitor, hence my question.

[schadd]

vote: calamitas

[gkrieg13]

No!!

All my experiences with gkrieg lead me to be believe that he is a very sharp guy. Making traitor-jokes in this setup is.. not good. Isn't that post almost akin to someone breadcrumbing a town role that can only exist once, and then the person who actually has that role dying (and flipping their role) later and someone catching the breadcrumb someone else made. The traitor does want to signal their existence to the mafia, so there is the clear scum narrative for doing something like that, but town really has no reason to do it.

So, I'm wondering if I'm missing something. Admittedly,itt does seem a little on the nose for him to do as the traitor, hence my question.

I don't know why people are making such a big deal of this.  I thought it would be fun to try to confuse scum.  If they have more than one person signalling traitor to them, who do they kill? 

I also don't really think your analogy works here.  If the traitor actually dies, no one is going to look at my breadcrumb and think "oh he was lying about being the traitor, he must be mafia".

[gkrieg13]

Plus, if I really were the traitor, why would I place that in my first post?

I remember vigging Seprix in a game because he used the word traitor in his first post of the game.  I would know to be much more subtle in a game where it is known that there is a traitor.

[faust]

Also if we all breadcrumb that we are the traitor, isn't that a good thing?

Plus, if I really were the traitor, why would I place that in my first post?

So did you or didn't you breadcrumb Traitor?

[faust]

I mean, you cannot argue that you meant to confuse scum and that you're post was so on the nose that it couldn't possibly come from Traitor!you.

[Eevee]

No!!

All my experiences with gkrieg lead me to be believe that he is a very sharp guy. Making traitor-jokes in this setup is.. not good. Isn't that post almost akin to someone breadcrumbing a town role that can only exist once, and then the person who actually has that role dying (and flipping their role) later and someone catching the breadcrumb someone else made. The traitor does want to signal their existence to the mafia, so there is the clear scum narrative for doing something like that, but town really has no reason to do it.

So, I'm wondering if I'm missing something. Admittedly,itt does seem a little on the nose for him to do as the traitor, hence my question.

I don't know why people are making such a big deal of this.  I thought it would be fun to try to confuse scum.  If they have more than one person signalling traitor to them, who do they kill? 

I also don't really think your analogy works here.  If the traitor actually dies, no one is going to look at my breadcrumb and think "oh he was lying about being the traitor, he must be mafia".

The analogy is just meant to be a situation where someone does something that town would never have any incentive to do (breadcrumb a role they don't have <-> make a post about the traitor willy-nilly), when there is a scum narrative for it (as scum wants to do those things).

Like, can't you see it's dangerous, if only because others would view it as scummy and they might lynch you?

[faust]

I mean, you cannot argue that you meant to confuse scum and that your post was so on the nose that it couldn't possibly come from Traitor!you.

FTFM

[Calamitas]

Plus, if I really were the traitor, why would I place that in my first post?

I remember vigging Seprix in a game because he used the word traitor in his first post of the game.  I would know to be much more subtle in a game where it is known that there is a traitor.

Except you would want to say exactly that. If you were catched with a subtle breadcrumbing there is no way you would get out of there. And the probability of scum catching the subtle one is actually smaller than the probability of town doing so (basically same info but more people).

[Eevee]

Plus, if I really were the traitor, why would I place that in my first post?

I remember vigging Seprix in a game because he used the word traitor in his first post of the game.  I would know to be much more subtle in a game where it is known that there is a traitor.

To be fair, I also think gkrieg could have faked some theory around the traitor-post if he wanted to, which would point towards this being an honest mistake and not a ploy.

Don't know what to make of him being (a little) defensive now - when making my question I was expecting either some reason I didn't think of, or "Oh, that's right, that was a mistake".

[Robz888]

I did not think gkrieg was breadcrumbing traitor, and if he was, maybe he's town and wants to screw with mafia. So this is a total null thing that does not matter.

[faust]

I did not think gkrieg was breadcrumbing traitor, and if he was, maybe he's town and wants to screw with mafia. So this is a total null thing that does not matter.

His breadcrumbing does not matter, but his defense was scummy.

[SpaceAnemone]

I did not think gkrieg was breadcrumbing traitor, and if he was, maybe he's town and wants to screw with mafia. So this is a total null thing that does not matter.

... says the person who did not actually breadcrumb vig last game!

Sorry for being quiet. Busy day at work, but I'll read things properly when I'm home in an hour or two.

[gkrieg13]

Sorry being defensive probably because of IRL things not because of this game.  I also thought it would be a good idea, and was surprised that I got so many votes for it at the very beginning of the game.

At least we kind of skipped RVS, and I got some good reactions.

[faust]

Sorry being defensive probably because of IRL things not because of this game.  I also thought it would be a good idea, and was surprised that I got so many votes for it at the very beginning of the game.

At least we kind of skipped RVS, and I got some good reactions.

Would you also react to my questions please?

[gkrieg13]

Also if we all breadcrumb that we are the traitor, isn't that a good thing?

Plus, if I really were the traitor, why would I place that in my first post?

So did you or didn't you breadcrumb Traitor?

Yes I did.  It was a ploy that is now ruined.

[Eevee]

Interesting! What was your plan?

[gkrieg13]

Interesting! What was your plan?

Well, if mafia thought I was the traitor, I wouldn't be killed N1, and they wouldn't know who the real traitor was.

Also, I could see if people caught on and voted for me (I didn't think this would be so sudden!) and that would give me some kind of information.

[faust]

Also if we all breadcrumb that we are the traitor, isn't that a good thing?

Plus, if I really were the traitor, why would I place that in my first post?

So did you or didn't you breadcrumb Traitor?

Yes I did.  It was a ploy that is now ruined.

So your ploy was to make a post that singals to scum that you are the Traitor while at the same time making it clear to everyone that you couldn't possibly be the Traitor?

[Robz888]

I did not think gkrieg was breadcrumbing traitor, and if he was, maybe he's town and wants to screw with mafia. So this is a total null thing that does not matter.

... says the person who did not actually breadcrumb vig last game!

Sorry for being quiet. Busy day at work, but I'll read things properly when I'm home in an hour or two.

It was sort of an unintentionally misleading fake breadcrumb.

[Robz888]

I did not think gkrieg was breadcrumbing traitor, and if he was, maybe he's town and wants to screw with mafia. So this is a total null thing that does not matter.

... says the person who did not actually breadcrumb vig last game!

Sorry for being quiet. Busy day at work, but I'll read things properly when I'm home in an hour or two.

It was sort of an unintentionally misleading fake breadcrumb.

Or rather, deliberately misleading, but unintentionally so.