[...]You've already mentioned the former happened to you with Lookout
I did
what?
i've written a program which compares look/look, look/amb and amb/amb by playing the scenario with reasonable choices, simply boards and random shuffle luck, simulating all three 1000 000 times to see which is better, so it's probably a good idea not to argue about that anymore.
Is that admitting that I'm wrong? No... I don't think so. No, actually not at all. Really, it isn't. It isn't.
If I'm playing a cantrip card that gives you curses, and you're playing a terminal to get rid of it
what trasher are you talking about - Silk Road? Forager is not a terminal, Lookout is not terminal, Ambassador doesn't just repair but gives you the curse, Altar gets a card costing up to 5$ as a reward for trashing, and chapel trashes so fast that your curses will probably be removed in the turn that they're gained.
But yes, Familiar is a stronger card than, let's say, Lookout. And yes, if you play your cantrip Familiar and then I trash with Lookout with 1 card disadvantage, I lose in this equation. There is nothing to be argued here, it's simple maths. However, Lookout can be bought in turn 1 and while you tech for familiars, I can get other stuff. And here maths stops, because things become too complex to make simple comparisons. That's also why I didn't try (and usually don't when it's about Dominion) to make lots of arguments: unless someone claims, let's say, Market is better in a strong deck than Laboratory, which I could disprove by explaining him something about average card value n stuff, what you believe to know about the game is a result of experience from playing the game.
. I would still play Familiar on many boards with Lookout, Forager, Hermit etc..
...uh, yea. Duh. Obvoiusly. That's why familiar is #1, because people play him way too often. Familiar is overrated, that is my whole point, if it weren't, I wouldn't claim that he's too high. Junking in general is overrated, in my opinion, not even primarily Faimilar which even I find to be really strong, but Sea Hag f.i. was rated #1 on the $4 Card List, which is just ridiculous.
Off topic, you guys haven't even
defined what exact criterium we're supposed to follow when ranking the cards. It's about how strong they are--- but what does that mean? Is it about how often it would be skipped in a 1n1 matchup, with random boards random shuffle luck and perfect players on both sides? Or is it how often the card would be bought total, in a number of games with random boards, 1n1 and once again perfectly played from both sides? Or is it the card that can create the strongest turns? Or is it the card that is most likely to dominate its board? Following the first definition, Wharf might be the strongest card in the game, because you buy at least one in basically every big money game and in every engine. With the second definition, it'll be... Fishing village, maybe? Something you buy lots of copies of. Or Cultists? Minions? Mabye basic villages? With the third definition, it's definitely Procession, because that card can be stronger than KC, Mountebank, Chapel and Goons combined. And with the fourth definition, it's probably KC.
So, there really is no point trying to kill an opinion. If it were another topic, I would
totally agree with you, because "it's just an opinion" is generally used way too often to justify things that are just nonsense, and it's annoying every time. I've been known to rip opinions that aren't actually opinions to shreds in other forums. Just not in this case. Even if someone claimed Bag of Gold is the strongest price, you could never disprove him. So don't waste energy trying. And please don't try to show off with any sort of stats next.
And the fact that there can't be objective truths here is an objective truth. Funny, isn't it?
I think this quote is fitting:
This isn't a scientific list, just a compiled list of the community's opinion of the best cards.
Yea. And my post about opinion...stuff wasn't directed to you anyway, I was mostly motivated by this:
He also thinks Lookout is the best $3 trasher. So, you know, grain of salt.
Cus that isn't... how'd you call it? Overwhelming opposition? No, not in the slightest.
I'm sort of baffled that your posts got so many upvotes...