Topic: M78: Insomnia Mafia- Game Over, Scum Wins! (Read 179944 times)

faust · « **Reply #700 on:** March 17, 2016, 08:54:30 am »

Quote from: Roadrunner7671 on March 17, 2016, 08:41:21 am

Quote from: yuma on March 17, 2016, 08:40:07 am
Quote from: Roadrunner7671 on March 17, 2016, 08:37:06 am
Whoever performed the action in the Doctor neighborhood is presumably scum Or they didn't target gkrieg, which would be so terrible.

That would be the implication. We don't have an IC to make executive decisions anymore, but I do think that we should consider at this point claiming neighborhoods and then lynch from among the claimed doctors as it appears something is rotten in the neighborhood of doctors.

There is conceivably another explanation, but I don't want to be the one to provide it...
Doc could've been roleblocked.

Wait... you are a Roleblocker, right? Did you perform a roleblock tonight?

faust · « **Reply #701 on:** March 17, 2016, 08:54:48 am »

You = your neighborhood

yuma · « **Reply #702 on:** March 17, 2016, 08:58:24 am »

Quote from: faust on March 17, 2016, 08:52:31 am

Quote from: yuma on March 17, 2016, 08:43:18 am
Sure... But I for one don't buy into coincidences. First what was the roleblock neighborhood doing trying to roleblock someone in the first place?

Second... how did the mafia know the doctor was going to be blocked or who they should block? That is a risky move if they aren't sure they will be able to get the block through. In the end the Doctor group still looks the worst.

YOu do know that the mafia can issue their kill after all neighborhood actions are locked in?

I did know this, but I am not sure what you are signifying with it?

And there is one other possible explanation, but I want to hear it, not give that explanation. Faust do you agree that the doc neighborhood should come forward as a group, and if not we force it by having everyone else claim their neighborhood...?

faust · « **Reply #703 on:** March 17, 2016, 09:04:13 am »

Quote from: yuma on March 17, 2016, 08:58:24 am

Quote from: faust on March 17, 2016, 08:52:31 am
Quote from: yuma on March 17, 2016, 08:43:18 am
Sure... But I for one don't buy into coincidences. First what was the roleblock neighborhood doing trying to roleblock someone in the first place?

Second... how did the mafia know the doctor was going to be blocked or who they should block? That is a risky move if they aren't sure they will be able to get the block through. In the end the Doctor group still looks the worst.

YOu do know that the mafia can issue their kill after all neighborhood actions are locked in?

I did know this, but I am not sure what you are signifying with it?

And there is one other possible explanation, but I want to hear it, not give that explanation. Faust do you agree that the doc neighborhood should come forward as a group, and if not we force it by having everyone else claim their neighborhood...?

I mean that mafia could have known whether the Roleblockers blocked the Doc when they decided who to kill. I guess there is still a chance that the Roleblocker doesn't perform their action.

I think first we need to know whether Joseph was a Doctor. For this, it suffices to have a single Doc claim.

yuma · « **Reply #704 on:** March 17, 2016, 09:06:26 am »

Quote from: faust on March 17, 2016, 09:04:13 am

Quote from: yuma on March 17, 2016, 08:58:24 am
Quote from: faust on March 17, 2016, 08:52:31 am
Quote from: yuma on March 17, 2016, 08:43:18 am
Sure... But I for one don't buy into coincidences. First what was the roleblock neighborhood doing trying to roleblock someone in the first place?

Second... how did the mafia know the doctor was going to be blocked or who they should block? That is a risky move if they aren't sure they will be able to get the block through. In the end the Doctor group still looks the worst.

YOu do know that the mafia can issue their kill after all neighborhood actions are locked in?

I did know this, but I am not sure what you are signifying with it?

And there is one other possible explanation, but I want to hear it, not give that explanation. Faust do you agree that the doc neighborhood should come forward as a group, and if not we force it by having everyone else claim their neighborhood...?

I mean that mafia could have known whether the Roleblockers blocked the Doc when they decided who to kill. I guess there is still a chance that the Roleblocker doesn't perform their action.

I think first we need to know whether Joseph was a Doctor. For this, it suffices to have a single Doc claim.

I guess what I am saying is for that to happen there would need to be at least one scum in both the RB neighborhood and at least one scum in the doc neighborhood. Right now it looks like there is just one in the scum, but if the roleblockers did block the doc... again why were they blocking at all is a valid question... it would either require a conincidence (unlikely) or scum in both neighborhoods (more likely)...

faust · « **Reply #705 on:** March 17, 2016, 09:07:52 am »

Agreed that it's not a very likely scenario. And scum would have to work to get them to block the right person, which would be very suspicious.

faust · « **Reply #706 on:** March 17, 2016, 09:13:41 am »

Quote from: Joseph2302 on March 14, 2016, 08:17:48 am

I know I haven't been super-towny, but lynching me would be bad for town.

This indicates that Joseph is as Doc.

yuma · « **Reply #707 on:** March 17, 2016, 09:16:33 am »

Quote from: faust on March 17, 2016, 09:13:41 am

Quote from: Joseph2302 on March 14, 2016, 08:17:48 am
I know I haven't been super-towny, but lynching me would be bad for town.

This indicates that Joseph is as Doc.

And if mafia knew this beforehand, this either means scum is in the Doc neighborhood OR is in all three of the others and could deduce.

faust · « **Reply #708 on:** March 17, 2016, 09:19:49 am »

Quote from: yuma on March 17, 2016, 09:16:33 am

Quote from: faust on March 17, 2016, 09:13:41 am
Quote from: Joseph2302 on March 14, 2016, 08:17:48 am
I know I haven't been super-towny, but lynching me would be bad for town.

This indicates that Joseph is as Doc.

And if mafia knew this beforehand, this either means scum is in the Doc neighborhood OR is in all three of the others and could deduce.

Or that they correctly interpreted the quote above.

yuma · « **Reply #709 on:** March 17, 2016, 09:21:57 am »

Quote from: faust on March 17, 2016, 09:19:49 am

Quote from: yuma on March 17, 2016, 09:16:33 am
Quote from: faust on March 17, 2016, 09:13:41 am
Quote from: Joseph2302 on March 14, 2016, 08:17:48 am
I know I haven't been super-towny, but lynching me would be bad for town.

This indicates that Joseph is as Doc.

And if mafia knew this beforehand, this either means scum is in the Doc neighborhood OR is in all three of the others and could deduce.

Or that they correctly interpreted the quote above.

Well, yes. But I thought you were arguing that mafia pushed for his lynch from the beginning of day. He made that statement at L-1. Mafia wouldn't have known without insider information his neighborhood before this... Oh, this is why you are voting Teproc, because he hammered Joseph? I could see that argument...

Teproc · « **Reply #710 on:** March 17, 2016, 09:42:51 am »

I do think we should claim now.

And yes, Joseph's statement was a softclaim that probably meant he was a Doctor. It was also super scummy, precisely because it was a softclaim and those are the worst : they're all self-preservation with no clarity for town.

faust · « **Reply #711 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:06:53 am »

Quote from: Teproc on March 17, 2016, 09:42:51 am

I do think we should claim now.

Who's "we"? I'm all for scum claiming, yes.

Teproc · « **Reply #712 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:09:08 am »

Quote from: faust on March 17, 2016, 10:06:53 am

Quote from: Teproc on March 17, 2016, 09:42:51 am
I do think we should claim now.

Who's "we"? I'm all for scum claiming, yes.

What's with the agressivity ?

faust · « **Reply #713 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:26:14 am »

Quote from: Teproc on March 17, 2016, 10:09:08 am

Quote from: faust on March 17, 2016, 10:06:53 am
Quote from: Teproc on March 17, 2016, 09:42:51 am
I do think we should claim now.

Who's "we"? I'm all for scum claiming, yes.

What's with the agressivity ?

Your hammer is far and wide the scummiest thing that happened.

And again, what do you mean "we" should claim? Everyone should claim? Why?

Teproc · « **Reply #714 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:30:27 am »

Quote from: faust on March 17, 2016, 10:26:14 am

Quote from: Teproc on March 17, 2016, 10:09:08 am
Quote from: faust on March 17, 2016, 10:06:53 am
Quote from: Teproc on March 17, 2016, 09:42:51 am
I do think we should claim now.

Who's "we"? I'm all for scum claiming, yes.

What's with the agressivity ?

Your hammer is far and wide the scummiest thing that happened.

And again, what do you mean "we" should claim? Everyone should claim? Why?

What's scummy about it ? Aside from, you know, Joseph flipping town ?

Yes. Once we start claiming, it seems to me we should go all the way. I might be wrong on that... I'm frankly a bit skeptical that our PRs can be used in any effective manner at all frankly. Is there a reason to only claim Doctors ?

Witherweaver · « **Reply #715 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:38:44 am »

Vote: Limetime

Witherweaver · « **Reply #716 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:40:35 am »

Joseph was Doctor, hence me not wanting to lynch him yesterday. I actually thought he was scum, but I thought it best to not pursue him until later, obviously.

faust · « **Reply #717 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:42:12 am »

Quote from: Teproc on March 17, 2016, 10:30:27 am

What's scummy about it ? Aside from, you know, Joseph flipping town ?

- not waiting until the IC had a chance to comment.
- making it look like a derphammer in case you want to play that card later on
- the IC dying tonight.

Is that enough for you?

faust · « **Reply #718 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:43:19 am »

If not, add lynching a softclaimed Doctor.

faust · « **Reply #719 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:45:27 am »

Quote from: Teproc on March 17, 2016, 10:30:27 am

Yes. Once we start claiming, it seems to me we should go all the way. I might be wrong on that... I'm frankly a bit skeptical that our PRs can be used in any effective manner at all frankly. Is there a reason to only claim Doctors ?

Is there a reason to claim anything else?

Teproc · « **Reply #720 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:52:51 am »

Making it look like a derphammer ? What ?

I got that he softclaimed Doctor. That is in fact why I wanted to lynch him (well, I already thought he was scummy before). I completely disagree with the idea that we shouldn't lynch pepole because they held speicfic roles. Let's be clear : our roles all suck anyway. Also, the IC dying isn't that big of a deal. Is it so much worse to have gkrieg die than yuma ? It's worse, but come on, it's not that different.

Why would the IC... what ? Comment on what ? There was a clear consensus against claiming. If anyting, your obsession with gkrieg deciding anything is scummy. He's the least qualified player in the game to take a decision, as he has the least information.

silverspawn · « **Reply #721 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:54:38 am »

Quote from: Teproc on March 17, 2016, 10:52:51 am

Is it so much worse to have gkrieg die than yuma ? It's worse, but come on, it's not that different.

it's quite a bit worse. If yuma was shot today, then scum would have trouble killing the IC tomorrow, and maybe we have a no-kill.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #722 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:56:08 am »

Vote: Teproc

silverspawn · « **Reply #723 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:59:29 am »

I mean I've talked about reading yuma before, it's not really something I can do, so I'm completely neutral about this lynch. I've no idea if scum!teproc is more likely to do this anti town hammer than town!teproc

Witherweaver · « **Reply #724 on:** March 17, 2016, 11:01:08 am »

He was scumzorz yesterday and scumzorzer today.

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