You win when the Team Mafia is eliminated, and there is at least one worm of Team Town left standing.
You win when the Team Town is eliminated, and there is at least one worm of Team Mafia left standing.
(100 accuracy) Target 1 player. That player takes 50 health damage. Does not end turn.
/in
Is there any benefit to not just bidding "1" every night? From the rules, it looks like that's the best thing to do every night.
I want to be in, but I need to be alive in fewer places at once first.
I want to be in, but I need to be alive in fewer places at once first.
Everyone: You know what you need to do if you want this game to start!
I want to be in, but I need to be alive in fewer places at once first.
Everyone: You know what you need to do if you want this game to start!
I want to be in, but I need to be alive in fewer places at once first.
Everyone: You know what you need to do if you want this game to start!
/tag?
They pronouns. I put that over in my description thing which also shows up under my avatar, but it's hard to see apparently
/tagIt means you want to spectate on the game
what exactly does /tag mean, also
/tag
what exactly does /tag mean, also
Hilariously I actually don't quite know what it means, either. I've developed a theory that it's a) asking for a speccy link and b) related to some mysterious forum mechanic that I don't use
/inHammer?
And we're full! Well kinda. LaLight has asked me to comod to get some modding experience, so if there is someone else eager to play, you could probably have the spot.
And we're full! Well kinda. LaLight has asked me to comod to get some modding experience, so if there is someone else eager to play, you could probably have the spot.
Let's do this: if in 12 hours there no-one to come, I'll play.
And we're full! Well kinda. LaLight has asked me to comod to get some modding experience, so if there is someone else eager to play, you could probably have the spot.
Let's do this: if in 12 hours there no-one to come, I'll play.
I'll /in if you would rather mod, LaLight.
And we're full! Well kinda. LaLight has asked me to comod to get some modding experience, so if there is someone else eager to play, you could probably have the spot.
Let's do this: if in 12 hours there no-one to come, I'll play.
I'll /in if you would rather mod, LaLight.
yeah, cool!
And we're full! Well kinda. LaLight has asked me to comod to get some modding experience, so if there is someone else eager to play, you could probably have the spot.
Let's do this: if in 12 hours there no-one to come, I'll play.
I'll /in if you would rather mod, LaLight.
yeah, cool!
Awesome. Any idea when this will start then?
Gkrieg's vote sounds way too serious. Vote: gkrieg
Gkrieg's vote sounds way too serious. Vote: gkrieg
But it doesn't even have a period after it!
Ok serious question: who is scum?how about you do your plan with the assumption that you're scum
Because I have a plan but it requires knowing who at least one scum is.
Unfortunately that won't work, especially since I know I'm town.Ok serious question: who is scum?how about you do your plan with the assumption that you're scum
Because I have a plan but it requires knowing who at least one scum is.
vote: j reggie
vote: Dylan
Serious vote.
vote: Dylan
Serious vote.
Dang. I couldn't even make it 1 day in 1 game without being accused... oh well.
4 mafia in 12 players means that mafia has more control over the thread than usual. Town players should try to think independently and not jump on wagons without a good reason.
4 mafia also means that there are 4 players who know everyone's alignments and therefore will have to be faking interactions. It's important for this game not to be too Rvsy D1 so that we can get off to a good start.
/here. vote: e. Wedding present :)
4 mafia in 12 players means that mafia has more control over the thread than usual. Town players should try to think independently and not jump on wagons without a good reason.
4 mafia also means that there are 4 players who know everyone's alignments and therefore will have to be faking interactions. It's important for this game not to be too Rvsy D1 so that we can get off to a good start.
Vote: J Reggie
Interested in the Dylan votes. I see what you guys are doing, and I like it to some extent, but don't really agree
I do have to say though, I find it ironic that the only person so far trying to control the thread and starting a wagon is calling for people to think independently and not jump on wagons
presumably not, hence the vote4 mafia in 12 players means that mafia has more control over the thread than usual. Town players should try to think independently and not jump on wagons without a good reason.
4 mafia also means that there are 4 players who know everyone's alignments and therefore will have to be faking interactions. It's important for this game not to be too Rvsy D1 so that we can get off to a good start.
Vote: J Reggie
You think we should let scum take over the thread?
Interested in the Dylan votes. I see what you guys are doing, and I like it to some extent, but don't really agreeI don't agree with you voicing disagreement.
I don't agree wi....nevermindInterested in the Dylan votes. I see what you guys are doing, and I like it to some extent, but don't really agreeI don't agree with you voicing disagreement.
Vote Count 1.1
Witherweaver (1): Gkrieg
e (3): Dylan, EFHW, JReggie
JReggie (1): schadd, e
Dylan (2): mail-mi, Silverspawn
mail-mi (1): SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (3): Roadrunner7671, chairs, Ghacob
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends October 20 at 11 am forum time. [/color]
Why did people sheep J Reggie like that? And how was that a serious vote?
Vote Count 1.1
Witherweaver (1): Gkrieg
e (3): Dylan, EFHW, JReggie
JReggie (1): schadd, e
Dylan (2): mail-mi, Silverspawn
mail-mi (1): SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (3): Roadrunner7671, chairs, Ghacob
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends October 20 at 11 am forum time. [/color]
That looks like two votes for me.
Vote Count 1.1
Witherweaver (1): Gkrieg
e (3): Dylan, EFHW, JReggie
JReggie (1): schadd, e
Dylan (2): mail-mi, Silverspawn
mail-mi (1): SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (3): Roadrunner7671, chairs, Ghacob
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends October 20 at 11 am forum time. [/color]
That looks like two votes for me.
I can fix that! Vote: J Reggie :-)
I'm eating fizzy gummy worms in honour of this game :-)
Vote: Mail-mi
No, no, it's all clear to me now!
vote: WW
The one interaction that occurred is interesting, will think about it later when I have more brain
Why did people sheep J Reggie like that? And how was that a serious vote?
Why did people sheep J Reggie like that? And how was that a serious vote?
Why did people sheep J Reggie like that? And how was that a serious vote?
I have a reason for it, at least.
I'm eating fizzy gummy worms in honour of this game :-)
Vote: Mail-mi
Still BSG OMGUS? :P
Okay, no. Vote: J Reggie
If you're not going to answer that I'm going to vote for you and feel good about it.
Why did people sheep J Reggie like that? And how was that a serious vote?
I have a reason for it, at least.
Care to state your reason?
I'm eating fizzy gummy worms in honour of this game :-)
Vote: Mail-mi
Still BSG OMGUS? :P
Naah, it's just that I think you're sounding like scum, and I'm sad because being scum was so much fun that I wanted to be scum again, and it's not fair that you're always scum! So that's like this-game OMGUS, I guess?
I sort of feel like I should change my vote since e was the first person to defend me, but I'm still not sure who I would change it to. Reggie would be the easy choice but I don't want my first vote to be OMGUS already haha
I'd almost argue that on D1, your defenders are more likely to be scum.I think that would be an argument you could win
Dylan, is this your first game?
Dylan, is this your first game?
It is
I'm reading new!town into Dylan here. I remember the exact same thought process during one of my first games here (I know I'm town, and scum knows I'm town...)
I'm reading new!town into Dylan here. I remember the exact same thought process during one of my first games here (I know I'm town, and scum knows I'm town...)
Funny, I'm reading new!scum.
I'm reading new!town into Dylan here. I remember the exact same thought process during one of my first games here (I know I'm town, and scum knows I'm town...)
Don't we usually give newbies a pass day 1?
Don't we usually give newbies a pass day 1?
yeah, usually. Although that has kind of gone away as a "thing" recently because newbies hate to think that they are getting a free pass? maybe? I still have no reason to vote for Dylan. In fact, I am very happy with where my vote is now.
I firmly believe in the D1 newbie pass.
I'm reading new!town into Dylan here. I remember the exact same thought process during one of my first games here (I know I'm town, and scum knows I'm town...)
How can you guys be reading Dylan as anything right now?
I sort of feel like I should change my vote since e was the first person to defend me, but I'm still not sure who I would change it to. Reggie would be the easy choice but I don't want my first vote to be OMGUS already haha
Okay, I should be able to be a bit more active now.
vote: J Reggie seems fine to me.
do they really?Okay, I should be able to be a bit more active now.
vote: J Reggie seems fine to me.
Btw that was an unannounced L-2.
I think scum wants to mislynch me here.
Okay, I should be able to be a bit more active now.
vote: J Reggie seems fine to me.
Btw that was an unannounced L-2.
I think scum wants to mislynch me here.
do they really?Okay, I should be able to be a bit more active now.
vote: J Reggie seems fine to me.
Btw that was an unannounced L-2.
I think scum wants to mislynch me here.
It's not like I bother announcing L-1 half the time. Is announcing L-2 a thing now too?
I'd want it to be a thing. Especially with this wagon. Where's the case?It's not like I bother announcing L-1 half the time. Is announcing L-2 a thing now too?
No but for some reason J Reggie wants to make it a thing
This looks scummy from chairs. D1 is the most important day. vote: chairs.I'm pretty sure chairs has been playing since before me so I'd assume he's been scum before.
By the way, has chairs ever been scum?
What was this vote based on?Okay, I should be able to be a bit more active now.
vote: J Reggie seems fine to me.
Btw that was an unannounced L-2.
I think scum wants to mislynch me here.
This once again isn't a thing
vote: SA
J Reggie randomly voting for people hoping something will stick away from him.Huh. I sort of forgot J Reggie was under pressure. Maybe I should reread him?
What was this vote based on?Okay, I should be able to be a bit more active now.
vote: J Reggie seems fine to me.
Btw that was an unannounced L-2.
I think scum wants to mislynch me here.
This once again isn't a thing
vote: SA
What was this vote based on?Okay, I should be able to be a bit more active now.
vote: J Reggie seems fine to me.
Btw that was an unannounced L-2.
I think scum wants to mislynch me here.
This once again isn't a thing
vote: SA
Just gut feel. They feel like they did in newbie mafia
According to the set-up (yeah, I know, I get scum points for reading things, but I wanted to come up with ideas about how to play!), the scums can pool their weapons, whereas the rest of us only have what we're carrying.
I'd wondered if discussing what capabilities we all have would be informative, because people not using weapons they'd already claimed they have, or using weapons from someone else's supply must be scum. However, that assumes we have tracking people on our side, and we don't want to out town powers to soon. Also, we receive at least one new weapon each night (our free weapon crates), so sometimes town may get something cool and want to be able to use it immediately.
Does anyone have ideas about what the utility crates might have? Did anyone start out with something other than two random-sounding weapons and want to talk about this stuff? I'm sure not talking about everything is probably the best policy, but I don't think I've over-shared so far.
4 mafia in 12 players means that mafia has more control over the thread than usual. Town players should try to think independently and not jump on wagons without a good reason.
4 mafia also means that there are 4 players who know everyone's alignments and therefore will have to be faking interactions. It's important for this game not to be too Rvsy D1 so that we can get off to a good start.
Bids and turn order
Each night, there will be a fixed turn order. This is determined in the bidding phase. The bidding phase starts at the start of the day and ends when the Day ends (but it lasts at least 24 hours). During that time, each player must place a bid in their personal QT, which is any positive integer. Bids may be changed until the end of the Day. Players who fail to place a bid take 30 health damage and automatically go last, with the order among them decided randomly. Turn order is determined as follows:
1) Find the integer that the least (positive) number of players bid. If there are multiple such integers, choose the lowest.
2) Randomly determine an order among the players that bid that number.
3) Starting with 1, give the next free spot to the next player in that order.
4) Remove the integer from the pool.
5) If there are still players left without a spot, start again with 1.
Oh, I like that rule, even if I'm also a potential health damage taker from it.
How do you all feel about trying to set the turn order by all putting our bids in according to signup order? e.g. RR puts in 1, SA puts in 2, etc etc
| Players: 1. Roadrunner7671 2. SpaceAnemone 3. gkrieg13 4. J Reggie 5. silverspawn 6. chairs 7. Ghacob 8. 2.71828..... 9. mail-mi 10. Dylan32 11. schadd 12. EFHW | Posts 11 7 13 17 2 8 3 13 8 8 4 6 |
I will just leave this here.
Players:
1. Roadrunner7671
2. SpaceAnemone
3. gkrieg13
4. J Reggie
5. silverspawn
6. chairs
7. Ghacob
8. 2.71828.....
9. mail-mi
10. Dylan32
11. schadd
12. EFHWPosts
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This early in the game it doesn't really work like that
This early in the game it doesn't really work like that
But I've been trying to get things going while other players have just been bumbling around. I know post counts don't matter and I said that in a previous game, but still I feel like I'm the only one who's been trying to help town and I'm getting votes for it.
Hum.vote: mail-mi
I think this might be "I'm tired of playing scum" lurker silver.
vote: ss
Yeah, I'm fourth in a wagon that very quickly formed. I agree with it and had something to add to it as well. So it is sheepy but what else am I supposed to do when I agree with it?I'm voting you for your reason for voting silver.
Why?Yeah, I'm fourth in a wagon that very quickly formed. I agree with it and had something to add to it as well. So it is sheepy but what else am I supposed to do when I agree with it?I'm voting you for your reason for voting silver.
I think a lot of the inactivity was caused by forum downtime. That being said:
vote: silverspawn
4 mafia in 12 players means that mafia has more control over the thread than usual. Town players should try to think independently and not jump on wagons without a good reason.
4 mafia also means that there are 4 players who know everyone's alignments and therefore will have to be faking interactions. It's important for this game not to be too Rvsy D1 so that we can get off to a good start.
Now that RMM35 is over: wait what I don't know anything about there being 4 mafia!
4 mafia in 12 players means that mafia has more control over the thread than usual. Town players should try to think independently and not jump on wagons without a good reason.
4 mafia also means that there are 4 players who know everyone's alignments and therefore will have to be faking interactions. It's important for this game not to be too Rvsy D1 so that we can get off to a good start.
Now that RMM35 is over: wait what I don't know anything about there being 4 mafia!
You are confusing. The setup clearly says there are 4 worms on Team Mafia and 8 on Team Town.
These wagons are sort of dumb, or at least that's my take. Silverspawn might be my favorite wagon though. Him being unactive is super weird
These wagons are sort of dumb, or at least that's my take. Silverspawn might be my favorite wagon though. Him being unactive is super weird
Yeah, I find it odd because he's a smart guy and I've seen him posting elsewhere. The game is a little slow to get going, but surely there's something interesting in it to pick at!
These wagons are sort of dumb, or at least that's my take. Silverspawn might be my favorite wagon though. Him being unactive is super weirdvote him, cowboy!
You guys talking about past games is tempting me to go back and read those old game threads... but ain't nobody got time fo dat
You guys talking about past games is tempting me to go back and read those old game threads... but ain't nobody got time fo dat
Well, apparently those two apparently have plenty of time for discussing a past game while generating non-game-helping posts in this one...
You guys talking about past games is tempting me to go back and read those old game threads... but ain't nobody got time fo dat
Well, apparently those two apparently have plenty of time for discussing a past game while generating non-game-helping posts in this one...
It is extremely relevant. Town lost due to inactivity. Go back and read any game on this forum. Find one where inactive town stumbled into a win.
Right now, town is stumbling into a loss with inactivity. Sure, silverspawn or Ghacob might be scum, but more than likely at least one of them is town. Lynching them does nothing. Except give scum more nights to kill people.
And no that wasn't a scumslip. You can read that into it but you would be wrong.yes, this is helping me to come to an answer re: whether it was a scumslip
Of all the towns, the best one to lynch is the one that's most likely to be killed (in this case).
Of all the towns, the best one to lynch is the one that's most likely to be killed (in this case).
This does not make sense to me
Of all the towns, the best one to lynch is the one that's most likely to be killed (in this case).
This does not make sense to me
Thinking a bit longer, I think I understand what you were trying to say, and I disagree with your conclusion.
Read the thread and saw lots of votes.
If you followed the RMM that just finished (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16116.2350) you'll see that it is a phase of having difficulty to get into the game, not alignment indicative. In that game I was town.
This game actually has fairly strong town reads for day 1, namely SA, J Reggie, Dylan and mail-mi
vote: EFHW
I'm all armored up and ready to fight the bad guys.
vote: rr
According to the set-up (yeah, I know, I get scum points for reading things, but I wanted to come up with ideas about how to play!), the scums can pool their weapons, whereas the rest of us only have what we're carrying.
I'd wondered if discussing what capabilities we all have would be informative, because people not using weapons they'd already claimed they have, or using weapons from someone else's supply must be scum. However, that assumes we have tracking people on our side, and we don't want to out town powers to soon. Also, we receive at least one new weapon each night (our free weapon crates), so sometimes town may get something cool and want to be able to use it immediately.
Does anyone have ideas about what the utility crates might have? Did anyone start out with something other than two random-sounding weapons and want to talk about this stuff? I'm sure not talking about everything is probably the best policy, but I don't think I've over-shared so far.
and why me?Read the thread and saw lots of votes.
If you followed the RMM that just finished (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16116.2350) you'll see that it is a phase of having difficulty to get into the game, not alignment indicative. In that game I was town.
This game actually has fairly strong town reads for day 1, namely SA, J Reggie, Dylan and mail-mi
vote: EFHW
Why for mail-mi and SA?
Agreed, Dylan32 comes off very town from this exchange.
According to the set-up (yeah, I know, I get scum points for reading things, but I wanted to come up with ideas about how to play!), the scums can pool their weapons, whereas the rest of us only have what we're carrying.
I'd wondered if discussing what capabilities we all have would be informative, because people not using weapons they'd already claimed they have, or using weapons from someone else's supply must be scum. However, that assumes we have tracking people on our side, and we don't want to out town powers to soon. Also, we receive at least one new weapon each night (our free weapon crates), so sometimes town may get something cool and want to be able to use it immediately.
Does anyone have ideas about what the utility crates might have? Did anyone start out with something other than two random-sounding weapons and want to talk about this stuff? I'm sure not talking about everything is probably the best policy, but I don't think I've over-shared so far.
Can we talk about bids for just a second? I don't want to know what you guys are bidding, but I'm worried I'm going to screw myself over because I have no idea what I'm doing. Is there any strategy to it?
Also, many posts does not mean good content, and large posts with good content does not mean town.
And ghacob, if you are arguing your three posts were super rich in content, then we are reading different games. Also, there are several players with low post counts. I voted for you for a reason. Not entirely because of low post count (previous to your most recent posts)
Still like my vote
@Ghacob, sorry about that.
That was a townie post by them. Town read strengthened.
Can we talk about bids for just a second? I don't want to know what you guys are bidding, but I'm worried I'm going to screw myself over because I have no idea what I'm doing. Is there any strategy to it?
For the last post, PPE: 1 :P
Who's in this game again? *A very slow and arduous process involving navigating to the first page in a new tab later*
Unless specified, "slight town" reads are being self doubted and will be refined at a later date. My current self worry with that whole deal is that I sometimes have a tendancy to think "ah yes, the town seems to be in consensus that this one is town, therefore they probably are" when that can often leads to bad times. That said:
1. Roadrunner7671: Null
2. SpaceAnemone: Slight town
3. gkrieg13: Good at game. Slight town leaning, but not confident enough in my own ability to recognize
4. J Reggie: Slight town
5. silverspawn: Slight scum. Questioning if by "consensus effect." Gut.
6. chairs: Slight scum. Gut.
8. 2.71828.....:Good at game. Null.
9. mail-mi: Null
10. Dylan32: Slight town
11. schadd: Null
12. EFHW: Null
Reads pretty weak overall right now. Can probably be strengthen by a reread that isn't at 2 AM. mail-mi, I'm not a he
Hurrah, Ghacob appears, and their stuff seems solid!
Will engage more later (like, after work) with responding to ideas, since I think I'm up for exploring what we can reason out as town.
In the meantime, Vote: Chairs.
I should clarify, I don't think we should talk about it at this point in time.
The relevance is a call to action for town. I am pretty sure chairs can back me up on this, as he has been someone who in the past has been that inactive town member who contributed to a loss.
I am not posting this to try to shame anyone into posting or anything, I am simply trying to win the game. D1 is actually critical. Stances taken on D1 have ripple affects on D4, D5, who knows....D6. Those affects are lost without posts.
vote: ghacob even though i don't exactly want them to become dead
Hum.vote: mail-mi
I think this might be "I'm tired of playing scum" lurker silver.
vote: ss
I do big posts as either alignment and people give me more credit for them than they should.c:
sure. i'm not afraid to say that i felt like i was too under the radar and wanted to do a vote that other people were doing. let's say i had an inkling that more was gonna come out of this ghacob character and one's posts can't help but be a little colored if you suddenly see a bunch of people voting you, even if they hedge. also, where is the feign newbiness coming from, exactly?vote: ghacob even though i don't exactly want them to become dead
This is a very strange post. I think this kind of hedging is scummy for schadd. It is trying to feign newbiness, but doesn't feel super geniune to me
yeah, not sure what to think of this game. for everyone here, i've either played 0 games with them, or they died before d3 on the game that i did play, or they were scum on the game that i played. or they are spaceanemone.
hi space!
still excited for n1! i'm not sure precisely what happens or what information is afforded tho. mostly the latter
there is pretty much no reason to talk about bids here. it is you, pitted against everyone else, and unless you think that you can out-wifom people, it is just a waste of time; recall that, in the movie, they were both poisoned.
as far as claiming your whatever, uh, i haven't played a rmm before, again. i can say that my role looks fun, and the name of it has a quality. my guns look cool. i think that there is a possibility (maybe for me, even!) that your role & weapons involve some sort of bonus information, or potential to test/manipulate people (though small) and thus claiming (or refusing to claim) prevents you from being able to do that. spoiling the fun, evenI do big posts as either alignment and people give me more credit for them than they should.c:sure. i'm not afraid to say that i felt like i was too under the radar and wanted to do a vote that other people were doing. let's say i had an inkling that more was gonna come out of this ghacob character and one's posts can't help but be a little colored if you suddenly see a bunch of people voting you, even if they hedge. also, where is the feign newbiness coming from, exactly?vote: ghacob even though i don't exactly want them to become dead
This is a very strange post. I think this kind of hedging is scummy for schadd. It is trying to feign newbiness, but doesn't feel super geniune to me
as i said, i don't have any really relevant personal knowledge, and uh the sorts of things that people post are also out of whack because rmm. and i dunno to what extent that ought to be.
of my limited reads:
i'm waiting to see a game where i know j reggie is town, and if he just flails around and defends himself always
spaceanemone likes to talk about the game. and they are. so, cool
e seems to be a driving force behind people posting. so he's fine at the moment
i think i'm gonna have trouble not suspecting gkrieg for everything. you were my lowest scumread in ghibli
mail-mi seems a tad more confident now than in ghibli
ghacob was emoting a lot. someone that knew them better would probably make something of it. seems a bit too frustrated by the low post count debacle; it is a legitimate criticism, as it would seem
vote: mail-mi
i just use the regular blue from the change color dropdown list. but thanks
ok. que sera sera
i just use the regular blue from the change color dropdown list. but thanks
ok. que sera sera
That's weird. It changed it to hex when I quoted it, and I don't think that normally happens for colors.
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i just use the regular blue from the change color dropdown list. but thanks
ok. que sera sera
That's weird. It changed it to hex when I quoted it, and I don't think that normally happens for colors.
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Ya usually they stay the same as just the letters. What about blue
@Ghacob, sorry about that.
That was a townie post by them. Town read strengthened.
What was townie about that post?
I guess bidding is just extreme WIFOM. And it still looks like J Reggie is just slinging votes around
I guess bidding is just extreme WIFOM. And it still looks like J Reggie is just slinging votes around
JR has voted for five different people already. I've seen several people say they read him as town. Could someone explain what it is that makes you read town, because irl, in any game I've ever played, accusing that many people first round would almost for sure get the accuser lynched.
I guess bidding is just extreme WIFOM. And it still looks like J Reggie is just slinging votes around
JR has voted for five different people already. I've seen several people say they read him as town. Could someone explain what it is that makes you read town, because irl, in any game I've ever played, accusing that many people first round would almost for sure get the accuser lynched.
It's not pro-town to tunnel the same person all of D1.
So gkrieg is a very hard-to-read player and seems to be pretty confident here. vote: gkrieg.
I guess bidding is just extreme WIFOM. And it still looks like J Reggie is just slinging votes around
JR has voted for five different people already. I've seen several people say they read him as town. Could someone explain what it is that makes you read town, because irl, in any game I've ever played, accusing that many people first round would almost for sure get the accuser lynched.
It's not pro-town to tunnel the same person all of D1.
I guess bidding is just extreme WIFOM. And it still looks like J Reggie is just slinging votes around
JR has voted for five different people already. I've seen several people say they read him as town. Could someone explain what it is that makes you read town, because irl, in any game I've ever played, accusing that many people first round would almost for sure get the accuser lynched.
@Ghacob, sorry about that.
That was a townie post by them. Town read strengthened.
What was townie about that post?
They seem like town!ghacob from ONUW. Which isn't exactly the same, but it's enough for me to town read them for now.
@Ghacob, sorry about that.
That was a townie post by them. Town read strengthened.
What was townie about that post?
They seem like town!ghacob from ONUW. Which isn't exactly the same, but it's enough for me to town read them for now.
Have they been scum in ONUW?
There is no objective strategy for bidding, because it depends entirely on what others do. It's a problem that's theoretically impossible to solve. Quite interesting. All we can hope for is to do better than others. At that you can be good. But it's extended WIFOM.
Hurrah, Ghacob appears, and their stuff seems solid!
Will engage more later (like, after work) with responding to ideas, since I think I'm up for exploring what we can reason out as town.
In the meantime, Vote: Chairs.
Man I'm not sure I'll be able to ever read you. You always seem so scummy to me. Why is Ghacob's post solid?
Also as a side note, I'm against doing the thing that Ghacob is promoting doing. I don't think there needs to be any coordination between town members, and talking about it can only lead to bad things.
I think certain town roles, and presumably most scum roles, might benefit from being early in the priority queue. Then there are town roles whose priority order matters less, and I think maybe the voting strategy for those roles can be thought out separately, so as to purposefully boost town PR's chance of getting a high queue score.well, firstly, it says in the setup that town roles and scum roles are supposed to be from the same batch. although perhaps you mean that being scum in and of itself makes you want to do one thing or another. which would probably be, try to be earlier in the turn order
Man blue really was a good choice. Oh and look at you getting all fancy with the pure blue hex color!
I think certain town roles, and presumably most scum roles, might benefit from being early in the priority queue. Then there are town roles whose priority order matters less, and I think maybe the voting strategy for those roles can be thought out separately, so as to purposefully boost town PR's chance of getting a high queue score.well, firstly, it says in the setup that town roles and scum roles are supposed to be from the same batch. although perhaps you mean that being scum in and of itself makes you want to do one thing or another. which would probably be, try to be earlier in the turn order
Man blue really was a good choice. Oh and look at you getting all fancy with the pure blue hex color!
Ooh! If I do fancy hex, will gkrieg like me better? :-)
Or will he just say it's scummy to be doing something non-alignment-indicative? :-(
That's dope. I might like you better nowMan blue really was a good choice. Oh and look at you getting all fancy with the pure blue hex color!
Ooh! If I do fancy hex, will gkrieg like me better? :-)
Or will he just say it's scummy to be doing something non-alignment-indicative? :-(
That's dope. I might like you better nowMan blue really was a good choice. Oh and look at you getting all fancy with the pure blue hex color!
Ooh! If I do fancy hex, will gkrieg like me better? :-)
Or will he just say it's scummy to be doing something non-alignment-indicative? :-(
I was scum in Olympics :-\That's dope. I might like you better nowMan blue really was a good choice. Oh and look at you getting all fancy with the pure blue hex color!
Ooh! If I do fancy hex, will gkrieg like me better? :-)
Or will he just say it's scummy to be doing something non-alignment-indicative? :-(
\o/
I think the one I did in Olympics was cooler, but nobody commented on it there at all :-P
I was scum in Olympics :-\That's dope. I might like you better nowMan blue really was a good choice. Oh and look at you getting all fancy with the pure blue hex color!
Ooh! If I do fancy hex, will gkrieg like me better? :-)
Or will he just say it's scummy to be doing something non-alignment-indicative? :-(
\o/
I think the one I did in Olympics was cooler, but nobody commented on it there at all :-P
That's dope. I might like you better nowMan blue really was a good choice. Oh and look at you getting all fancy with the pure blue hex color!
Ooh! If I do fancy hex, will gkrieg like me better? :-)
Or will he just say it's scummy to be doing something non-alignment-indicative? :-(
\o/
I think the one I did in Olympics was cooler, but nobody commented on it there at all :-P
I'm pretty sure having an "ooh, shiny!" reflex isn't restricted to town!I'm more serious as scum though
That's dope. I might like you better nowMan blue really was a good choice. Oh and look at you getting all fancy with the pure blue hex color!
Ooh! If I do fancy hex, will gkrieg like me better? :-)
Or will he just say it's scummy to be doing something non-alignment-indicative? :-(
\o/
I think the one I did in Olympics was cooler, but nobody commented on it there at all :-P
I was moderator and therefore not supposed to comment on it.
I'm pretty sure having an "ooh, shiny!" reflex isn't restricted to town!I'm more serious as scum though
Fine! :-P Well now I've got you all hypnotised by the pretty lights, can someone please tell me who all the scums are?
I saw a 'decks out for Harem-be' a while back and it was pretty goodI'm pretty sure having an "ooh, shiny!" reflex isn't restricted to town!I'm more serious as scum though
So... what's the funniest joke you can think of right now, off the top of your head?
That's dope. I might like you better nowMan blue really was a good choice. Oh and look at you getting all fancy with the pure blue hex color!
Ooh! If I do fancy hex, will gkrieg like me better? :-)
Or will he just say it's scummy to be doing something non-alignment-indicative? :-(
\o/
I think the one I did in Olympics was cooler, but nobody commented on it there at all :-P
I was moderator and therefore not supposed to comment on it.
I just dropped by to say that this fancy coloring is really dope.
Too much fluff not enough game. Not sure if anyone is scummy for it though.This.
Too much fluff not enough game. Not sure if anyone is scummy for it though.Even though it's partially my fault, I guess I sort of agree. But it's D1, cut a little slack!
Too much fluff not enough game. Not sure if anyone is scummy for it though.Even though it's partially my fault, I guess I sort of agree. But it's D1, cut a little slack!
Because we play exactly the same! ???Too much fluff not enough game. Not sure if anyone is scummy for it though.Even though it's partially my fault, I guess I sort of agree. But it's D1, cut a little slack!
vote: rr this is exactly the sort of thing I'd say as scum.
I just dropped by to say that this fancy coloring is really dope.
Too much fluff not enough game. Not sure if anyone is scummy for it though.
Wish I understood where his Beatles reference was trying to go.i was giving a vague hint about my role thing. and then i thought, here's another tip for you all, etc
SpaceAnemone having so many scummy reads feels towny to me
Thought I try a quick re-read on everyone.
Roadrunner7671 -- townish, though if I were going to vote to lynch based on how much I got his joke funny, then he's definitely scum.
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaace :-)
gkrieg13 -- mild scum, maybe. I don't like that he was engaging with the length but not content of Ghacob's post. He's been casting suspicion on me already, and he said in Ghibli that I'm too easy a mislynch for him, so that worries me. Also surprisingly confident of JR's innocence.
J Reggie -- Mild town, though he's yet to declare himself IC :-P
silverspawn -- Null through dearth of content.
chairs -- a bit scummy.. generally has a sort of offhand disengaged feel, and I really didn't like his plan to rig the bidding, even though I'd probably have done quite well compared to some other poor towns.
Ghacob -- town for now because my expereince is well-mirrored in the metametadiscussion post.
2.71828 -- mild scum, becuase a lot of his content is quite acti-lurky in nature.
mail-mi -- null, or possibly mild scum for which I'm overcompensating because I recognise there could in theory still be some residual omgus from previously.
Dylan32 -- mild scum, but probably going with a newbie pass.
schadd -- aaargh. Can't help but read him as scummy, but I did that in Ghibli and turned out to be wrong. Wish I understood where his Beatles reference was trying to go.
EFHW -- Almost as quiet as Silver, so still pretty null. I think she's less engaged than she was in D1 of BSG, though.
I feel like I think way too many people are mildly scummy, but I don't want to second-guess myself just now by re-doing it. (Also, laziness).
I thought that I also commented that there wasn't really that much content in Ghacob's posts?
Aaaanyway...
Slight scum on chairs for this, although I may be missing somethingAgreed, Dylan32 comes off very town from this exchange.
Worst case scenario this is conflicting playstyle, but I for one like clarity in reads/etc. in general. Basically I'm feeling a bit off on the timing of the post, or lack thereof? Where the closest person he could be agreeing to is mail-mi, 5 posts up which would have been worth clarifying unless he thought it was group consensus? Oh well.
Sorry, sorry, as I "should" have said:
vote: chairs gut read
Meanwhile SA's theory talk is interesting. For referenceAccording to the set-up (yeah, I know, I get scum points for reading things, but I wanted to come up with ideas about how to play!), the scums can pool their weapons, whereas the rest of us only have what we're carrying.
I'd wondered if discussing what capabilities we all have would be informative, because people not using weapons they'd already claimed they have, or using weapons from someone else's supply must be scum. However, that assumes we have tracking people on our side, and we don't want to out town powers to soon. Also, we receive at least one new weapon each night (our free weapon crates), so sometimes town may get something cool and want to be able to use it immediately.
Does anyone have ideas about what the utility crates might have? Did anyone start out with something other than two random-sounding weapons and want to talk about this stuff? I'm sure not talking about everything is probably the best policy, but I don't think I've over-shared so far.
I think the idea of discussing capabilities etc. is interesting but can't think of a good way to discuss it without just giving scum free information. Unfortunately can't really One Night Ultimate style it (that is, where the consensus is claiming is good and helps town win, and claiming earlier is more pro-town) as the ends are nowhere near justifying the means.
I also wonder if our character abilities are worth discussing (the ones item dependent). I know I for one would like some sort of guidance on the implications of my own and how (if at all) I should use it ((Wow, J. Look at those softclaims up the wazoo. If no one has a pressing reason specifically why I shouldn't reveal it, I'll be happy to do so. I hope that that parsed and grammared correctly)). Once again, basing off of my own, it doesn't seem we have "roles" per say as a part of our character as much as we have small... things?
I want to say that metadiscussion is protown in this game, or at least metametadiscussion. To translate my bullshit, I think discussion of the RMM37 special abilities etc. is more worthwhile and less risky than usual in-thread strategy discussion. And this is based on the idea that intrascum discussion is sure to happen on this regardless, so by doing intratown discussion, we remove the free information aspect scum gets just by nature of being able to talk to eachother. Feel free to disagree with me on my metametametadiscussion though.
Definitely would like other perspectives on all of that mess
darn, could have gotten more towncred by breaking this into more posts. Oh Well! I guess I'll just have to post again. I'm thinking of just summarizing my current ideas and reads at the moment for future reference etc.
He's also been reverse tunneling Ghacob, ergo calling him town over and over. He's posted things about how Ghacob is so towny 3 times in a row, and he only stopped to point out fluff then vote for me. And I don't like reverse tunneling. It's too much like white knighting. So vote: mail-mi. My mini-case is strong enough for me.that's not what ergo means. but i c
I think it works for the situation. It probably isn't the best word but I think it works.He's also been reverse tunneling Ghacob, ergo calling him town over and over. He's posted things about how Ghacob is so towny 3 times in a row, and he only stopped to point out fluff then vote for me. And I don't like reverse tunneling. It's too much like white knighting. So vote: mail-mi. My mini-case is strong enough for me.that's not what ergo means. but i c
vote: mail-mi
okI think it works for the situation. It probably isn't the best word but I think it works.He's also been reverse tunneling Ghacob, ergo calling him town over and over. He's posted things about how Ghacob is so towny 3 times in a row, and he only stopped to point out fluff then vote for me. And I don't like reverse tunneling. It's too much like white knighting. So vote: mail-mi. My mini-case is strong enough for me.that's not what ergo means. but i c
vote: mail-mi
okI think it works for the situation. It probably isn't the best word but I think it works.He's also been reverse tunneling Ghacob, ergo calling him town over and over. He's posted things about how Ghacob is so towny 3 times in a row, and he only stopped to point out fluff then vote for me. And I don't like reverse tunneling. It's too much like white knighting. So vote: mail-mi. My mini-case is strong enough for me.that's not what ergo means. but i c
vote: mail-mi
He's also been reverse tunneling Ghacob, ergo calling him town over and over. He's posted things about how Ghacob is so towny 3 times in a row, and he only stopped to point out fluff then vote for me. And I don't like reverse tunneling. It's too much like white knighting. So vote: mail-mi. My mini-case is strong enough for me.
He's also been reverse tunneling Ghacob, ergo calling him town over and over. He's posted things about how Ghacob is so towny 3 times in a row, and he only stopped to point out fluff then vote for me. And I don't like reverse tunneling. It's too much like white knighting. So vote: mail-mi. My mini-case is strong enough for me.
He's also been reverse tunneling Ghacob, ergo calling him town over and over. He's posted things about how Ghacob is so towny 3 times in a row, and he only stopped to point out fluff then vote for me. And I don't like reverse tunneling. It's too much like white knighting. So vote: mail-mi. My mini-case is strong enough for me.
unvote I like this from RR too.
Everyone is scumreading them and I think people are wrong. What else should I do about it?
Back to vote: schadd
He's also been reverse tunneling Ghacob, ergo calling him town over and over. He's posted things about how Ghacob is so towny 3 times in a row, and he only stopped to point out fluff then vote for me. And I don't like reverse tunneling. It's too much like white knighting. So vote: mail-mi. My mini-case is strong enough for me.
unvote I like this from RR too.
Everyone is scumreading them and I think people are wrong. What else should I do about it?
Back to vote: schadd
I started typing a post, but then mail posted this and I had to go back and do some reading. I don't remember and in my skimming didn't see any people scumread RR at all. Unless ctrl + f failed me, mail was the only person that voted for them at all so far too. RR actually seems like one of the more consistent town reads by the people who have posted their reads, so mail's claim that "Everyone is scumreading them" looks really scummy to me. The thought being that if someone agrees that RR looks towny and then believes the claim other people were scumreading RR, that person will be more likely to give mail more town-cred for townreading RR. I know he (please correct me if I'm wrong) unvoted, but what choice did he have?
That post is enough to make me vote: mail-mi.
He's also been reverse tunneling Ghacob, ergo calling him town over and over. He's posted things about how Ghacob is so towny 3 times in a row, and he only stopped to point out fluff then vote for me. And I don't like reverse tunneling. It's too much like white knighting. So vote: mail-mi. My mini-case is strong enough for me.
unvote I like this from RR too.
Everyone is scumreading them and I think people are wrong. What else should I do about it?
Back to vote: schadd
I started typing a post, but then mail posted this and I had to go back and do some reading. I don't remember and in my skimming didn't see any people scumread RR at all. Unless ctrl + f failed me, mail was the only person that voted for them at all so far too. RR actually seems like one of the more consistent town reads by the people who have posted their reads, so mail's claim that "Everyone is scumreading them" looks really scummy to me. The thought being that if someone agrees that RR looks towny and then believes the claim other people were scumreading RR, that person will be more likely to give mail more town-cred for townreading RR. I know he (please correct me if I'm wrong) unvoted, but what choice did he have?
That post is enough to make me vote: mail-mi.
I sense a misunderstanding. "Them" in this case was Ghacob, not RR. RR is a "he," btw.
He's also been reverse tunneling Ghacob, ergo calling him town over and over. He's posted things about how Ghacob is so towny 3 times in a row, and he only stopped to point out fluff then vote for me. And I don't like reverse tunneling. It's too much like white knighting. So vote: mail-mi. My mini-case is strong enough for me.
unvote I like this from RR too.
Everyone is scumreading them and I think people are wrong. What else should I do about it?
Back to vote: schadd
I started typing a post, but then mail posted this and I had to go back and do some reading. I don't remember and in my skimming didn't see any people scumread RR at all. Unless ctrl + f failed me, mail was the only person that voted for them at all so far too. RR actually seems like one of the more consistent town reads by the people who have posted their reads, so mail's claim that "Everyone is scumreading them" looks really scummy to me. The thought being that if someone agrees that RR looks towny and then believes the claim other people were scumreading RR, that person will be more likely to give mail more town-cred for townreading RR. I know he (please correct me if I'm wrong) unvoted, but what choice did he have?
That post is enough to make me vote: mail-mi.
I sense a misunderstanding. "Them" in this case was Ghacob, not RR. RR is a "he," btw.
Crap, that makes sense. I thought I finally saw something worthwhile... While I admit my post is now pointless, I do still like RR's point, so I'm still comfortable with my vote.
For the last post, PPE: 1 :P
Who's in this game again? *A very slow and arduous process involving navigating to the first page in a new tab later*
Unless specified, "slight town" reads are being self doubted and will be refined at a later date. My current self worry with that whole deal is that I sometimes have a tendancy to think "ah yes, the town seems to be in consensus that this one is town, therefore they probably are" when that can often leads to bad times. That said:
1. Roadrunner7671: Null
2. SpaceAnemone: Slight town
3. gkrieg13: Good at game. Slight town leaning, but not confident enough in my own ability to recognize
4. J Reggie: Slight town
5. silverspawn: Slight scum. Questioning if by "consensus effect." Gut.
6. chairs: Slight scum. Gut.
8. 2.71828.....:Good at game. Null.
9. mail-mi: Null
10. Dylan32: Slight town
11. schadd: Null
12. EFHW: Null
Reads pretty weak overall right now. Can probably be strengthen by a reread that isn't at 2 AM. mail-mi, I'm not a he
What does your read on me mean?
So gkrieg is a very hard-to-read player and seems to be pretty confident here. vote: gkrieg.
Well, I'll reread ghacob'S posts when I can and see if they are actually towny like I think they are.oh, that's no good
Well, I'll reread ghacob'S posts when I can and see if they are actually towny like I think they are.oh, that's no good
Actually, I'm feeling more and more like gkrieg is scum here. Let's lynch him.
If we don't lynch scum here, D2 we'll only need 2 town votes to lynch.
Why?If we don't lynch scum here, D2 we'll only need 2 town votes to lynch.
This assumes someone dies in the night. Which could be unlikely
If we don't lynch scum here, D2 we'll only need 2 town votes to lynch.
This assumes someone dies in the night. Which could be unlikely
If we don't lynch scum here, D2 we'll only need 2 town votes to lynch.
This assumes someone dies in the night. Which could be unlikely
No it doesn't.
If we don't lynch scum here, D2 we'll only need 2 town votes to lynch.
This assumes someone dies in the night. Which could be unlikely
No it doesn't.
Good point. I actually don't like this statement. Well only need two votes. Sounds slightly like you are talking like we as in the mafia. Anyway, I doubt that scum would all get on the same wagon together.
Not a huge fan of pulling out the "we" in Reggie's statement as "we the mafia"
I mean, that is how it reads, but I don't see it as some sort of slip. "we the town" lynch mafia, then "we the scum" need two town votes. I just think it is likelier that "we" is being used much more generally than that. Like, "we the players of the game" rather than a certain faction.
Not a huge fan of pulling out the "we" in Reggie's statement as "we the mafia"
I mean, that is how it reads, but I don't see it as some sort of slip. "we the town" lynch mafia, then "we the scum" need two town votes. I just think it is likelier that "we" is being used much more generally than that. Like, "we the players of the game" rather than a certain faction.
That is how I intended it. Why would I say something that one would say in the mafia cutie in the main thread?
Also, why would I make that warning as mafia? Wouldn't I want town to not think about that?
Hello? Why isn't it likely for someone to die tonight? What did I miss?
The reason I think you're scum, gkrieg, isn't just because you're confident. It's because you're fluffy and confident about being fluffy.Oh I see. I read most of the setup but I didn't get that far. Doesn't that seem unfair? I'm pretty sure weapons are one shotHello? Why isn't it likely for someone to die tonight? What did I miss?
Scum can only half-kill someone, at least as a factional ability. Although it's likely they will have other weapons to add to that.
The reason I think you're scum, gkrieg, isn't just because you're confident. It's because you're fluffy and confident about being fluffy.Hello? Why isn't it likely for someone to die tonight? What did I miss?
Scum can only half-kill someone, at least as a factional ability. Although it's likely they will have other weapons to add to that.
The reason I think you're scum, gkrieg, isn't just because you're confident. It's because you're fluffy and confident about being fluffy.Oh I see. I read most of the setup but I didn't get that far. Doesn't that seem unfair? I'm pretty sure weapons are one shotHello? Why isn't it likely for someone to die tonight? What did I miss?
Scum can only half-kill someone, at least as a factional ability. Although it's likely they will have other weapons to add to that.
Not a huge fan of pulling out the "we" in Reggie's statement as "we the mafia"
I mean, that is how it reads, but I don't see it as some sort of slip. "we the town" lynch mafia, then "we the scum" need two town votes. I just think it is likelier that "we" is being used much more generally than that. Like, "we the players of the game" rather than a certain faction.
That is how I intended it. Why would I say something that one would say in the mafia cutie in the main thread?
Also, why would I make that warning as mafia? Wouldn't I want town to not think about that?
Vote: mail-mi
Vote: mail-mi
Reason?
Oh I see. I read most of the setup but I didn't get that far. Doesn't that seem unfair? I'm pretty sure weapons are one shot
I thought that I also commented that there wasn't really that much content in Ghacob's posts?
Commenting on the quantity of the content is not the same as commenting on the content of the content. And yes, it's vague hints rather than concrete statements, but for those of us who only know our own alignment/thing/weapons, it's more than nothing, while for scums, it's probably significantly less interesting, because they already have four times as much information... which is why dismissing it seems iffy to me.
I also approve of the mail-mi wagon. Not at all a fan of how his reaction to votes and RR turning on him was "yeah RR is towny kayletsmoveon"RR is just a G
I also approve of the mail-mi wagon. Not at all a fan of how his reaction to votes and RR turning on him was "yeah RR is towny kayletsmoveon"RR is just a G
Yeah you doRR is just a G
i.. know? ???
Alright. I'm the Tank. I have no special powers but I start with 150 health. I have a couple weapons.
Alright. I'm the Tank. I have no special powers but I start with 150 health. I have a couple weapons.
Let's see.
Each player has 2 random weapons, so the second part is inconsequential.
Each player has a special ability, but not a random one I don't think.
Tank implies towniness. If there is another tank, please claim.
In the meanwhile, unvote. I find this simple enough of an ability that I think faust probably did include it, and I have a hard time thinking he assigned it to a mafia player.
vote: gkrieg
Feeling good about this gkrieg lynch, bad about the mail mi one. Is this worms Armageddon thing something besides just an Armageddon of worms that I should know about.
I'm town, I might die tonight if we don't lynch gkrieg.
Where is SpaceAnemone?
What SA said. Your posts feel like fabricating content and are lacking exciting insights.
When is the deadline? I don't think I'll be able to do much until Saturday or Sunday. Maybe tomorrow.It's tomorrow morning.
well, teaser for tomorrow, my first vague hint is that i'm not a tankAlright. I'm the Tank. I have no special powers but I start with 150 health. I have a couple weapons.
Let's see.
Each player has 2 random weapons, so the second part is inconsequential.
Each player has a special ability, but not a random one I don't think.
Tank implies towniness. If there is another tank, please claim.
In the meanwhile, unvote. I find this simple enough of an ability that I think faust probably did include it, and I have a hard time thinking he assigned it to a mafia player.
Each player has a special ability that is connected to the setup. These abilities are distributed independent of alignment.
The setup also says "each player starts with 100 health," So due to my inexperience here in RMM games, I don't know if a blanket statement like that precludes the possibility of a tank role starting with more or not. That would be up to more experienced players to evaluate.
Each player has a special ability that is connected to the setup. These abilities are distributed independent of alignment.
Quoted from the setup. If ability assignments are truly independent of alignment, then there is no reason to think tank was any less likely to be scum than any other role.
uh, cases, quick n dirty, three most pressing as it would seem
ghacob: posted like 2 times, you can just go read them (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16239.msg647732#msg647732). said they were gonna refine reads and then didn't. posts are a bit sparse and setuppy.
gkrieg: all of his posts are phrased in the negative. and maybe that's because there are a lot of things that people said that are wrong but still. i would also say that he's been changing his mind a bunch except for how he hasn't made up his mind for anything yet. also, what? intent to hammer on m-m and then bam, whitelisted.
mail-mi: oh, we mailed him. bunch of opinions (or rather, a bunch of instances of the same opinion) and not a lot of reasons (as i mentioned earlier, i don't like that he towned on ghacob but then had to reread them). sticking to him because he's sticking to me >:( . he's claimed a thing though. the thing seems more valuable as town than as scum, but idk, it is not difficult to lie about. and in context, the fact that he said "but i have no special powers" sorta rubs me the wrong way, like, he knows that roles have 'special powers'
mine does. my role has a 'special power' probably
Moderator, are you planning on locking the thread at exactly 11:00 forum time?
gkrieg, are you going to claim?He might be asleep
Wow gkrieg. That does not make it easier to find scum on your wagon, unless that scum is you, in which case the point is moot.
Wow gkrieg. That does not make it easier to find scum on your wagon, unless that scum is you, in which case the point is moot.
Come on, I was waiting. That wasn't that good gkrieg
You can fight your lynch without claims, you know?
Wow, that wasn't what I expected to happen!
I agree the setup is confusing because apparently claims about role/thing/weapons are not going to help us in scum-hunting. Personally, I moved over to voting gkrieg because I liked that Silver seemed to back up my case, so if you're putting me on your scum suspect list, then he should be higher up. I'm town, though!
kinda expect gkrieg to just be messing around and flipping scum
Wow, that wasn't what I expected to happen!
I agree the setup is confusing because apparently claims about role/thing/weapons are not going to help us in scum-hunting. Personally, I moved over to voting gkrieg because I liked that Silver seemed to back up my case, so if you're putting me on your scum suspect list, then he should be higher up. I'm town, though!
Scum^
Is there anything to be gained in claiming the order we played in last night?
Fine! :-P Well now I've got you all hypnotised by the pretty lights, can someone please tell me who all the scums are?
Ghacob, mail-mi, SpaceAnemone, and silverspawn
SA/mail-mi/Ghacob/schadd is the team
Vote Count 1.5
mail-mi (4): EFHW, Roadrunner7671, schadd, Dylan32
EFHW (1): silverspawn
Ghacob (1): 2.71828.....
Silverspawn (1): chairs
schadd (2): gkrieg13, mail-mi
Chairs (2): Ghacob, SpaceAnemone
gkrieg13 (1): J Reggie
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends October 21 at 11 am forum time.
Corrected:
silverspawn (1): chairs
schadd (2): gkrieg13, mail-mi
gkrieg13 (1): J Reggie
mail-mi (6): EFHW, Roadrunner7671, schadd, Dylan32, e, silverspawn
chairs (2): Ghacob, SpaceAnemone
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Vote Count 1.6
mail-mi (1):, Dylan32
Silverspawn (1): chairs
Chairs (2): Ghacob, SpaceAnemone
gkrieg13 (4): J Reggie, Silverspawn, schadd, mail-mi
Ghacob (3): 2.71828....., EFHW, gkrieg13
Not Voting (1): Roadrunner7671
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends October 21 at 11 am forum time. 8 hours left.
Vote Count 1.7
mail-mi (1): Dylan32
Chairs (1): Ghacob
gkrieg13 (6): J Reggie, Silverspawn, schadd, mail-mi, chairs, SpaceAnemone
Ghacob (3): 2.71828....., EFHW, gkrieg13
Not Voting (1): Roadrunner7671
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends October 21 at 11 am forum time. 1.5 hours left.
Day 1 Final Vote Count
mail-mi (1): Dylan32
Chairs (1): Ghacobgkrieg13 (7): J Reggie, Silverspawn, schadd, mail-mi, chairs, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13
Ghacob (2): 2.71828....., EFHW
Not Voting (1): Roadrunner7671
With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
Is there anything to be gained in claiming the order we played in last night?
Sure, why not. I was 7.
Also, I realized I could have ended the game last night.
Is there anything to be gained in claiming the order we played in last night?
Sure, why not. I was 7.
Also, I realized I could have ended the game last night.
uh, orderclaiming ends up softclaiming utility crate i think. do we want that?
uh, orderclaiming ends up softclaiming utility crate i think. do we want that?
I love all this theory talk from scum
So the wagon was scum driven, but you [e] suspect Ghacob for being off wagon?
Corrected:
silverspawn (1): chairs
schadd (2): gkrieg13, mail-mi
gkrieg13 (1): J Reggie
mail-mi (6): EFHW, Roadrunner7671, schadd, Dylan32, e, silverspawn
chairs (2): Ghacob, SpaceAnemone
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
The setup also says "each player starts with 100 health," So due to my inexperience here in RMM games, I don't know if a blanket statement like that precludes the possibility of a tank role starting with more or not. That would be up to more experienced players to evaluate.
no, butEach player has a special ability that is connected to the setup. These abilities are distributed independent of alignment.
Quoted from the setup. If ability assignments are truly independent of alignment, then there is no reason to think tank was any less likely to be scum than any other role.
yes.
With that, mail-mi's town cred flies out the window.
I'm not sure I like him better than gkrieg, though. But I definitely want to lynch one of the two.
I'm reading new!town into Dylan here. I remember the exact same thought process during one of my first games here (I know I'm town, and scum knows I'm town...)
I'm reading new!town into Dylan here. I remember the exact same thought process during one of my first games here (I know I'm town, and scum knows I'm town...)
How can you guys be reading Dylan as anything right now?Because of the reason I just provided.Wait, frick. The situation is in fact the exact opposite as I described.
I had assumed that the following quote was in the same context of one of my earlier games (with e in this position at that.. multiple times?), but it was in fact the exact oppositeI sort of feel like I should change my vote since e was the first person to defend me, but I'm still not sure who I would change it to. Reggie would be the easy choice but I don't want my first vote to be OMGUS already haha
I processed this as Dylan becoming suspicious of e after e defended him, which I had done (once or twice, the first, if it had happened, e was town, but the second, which did, e was scum) early in my forum mafia career as a tendency to overread situations. I, assuming Dylan had done the same, sympathized and voiced the presumed shared experience, putting him closer to town.
However, instead the exact opposite occured. Dylan was voting e, (until?) he defended Dylan. Dylan is less suspicious of e now.
Now uncertain, will return with thoughts. A good old null!read on e. You followed your "town meta" precisely, but you do that regardless I think.
For the last post, PPE: 1 :P
Who's in this game again? *A very slow and arduous process involving navigating to the first page in a new tab later*
Unless specified, "slight town" reads are being self doubted and will be refined at a later date. My current self worry with that whole deal is that I sometimes have a tendancy to think "ah yes, the town seems to be in consensus that this one is town, therefore they probably are" when that can often leads to bad times. That said:
1. Roadrunner7671: Null
2. SpaceAnemone: Slight town
3. gkrieg13: Good at game. Slight town leaning, but not confident enough in my own ability to recognize
4. J Reggie: Slight town
5. silverspawn: Slight scum. Questioning if by "consensus effect." Gut.
6. chairs: Slight scum. Gut.
8. 2.71828.....:Good at game. Null.
9. mail-mi: Null
10. Dylan32: Slight town
11. schadd: Null
12. EFHW: Null
Reads pretty weak overall right now. Can probably be strengthen by a reread that isn't at 2 AM. mail-mi, I'm not a he
anyone else with a comment?I have a comment. I think it might be beneficial for us to know what types of weapons are out there. Since they were called 'weapons,' I assumed all they did was damage. But I no longer think that's true.
anyone else with a comment?I have a comment. I think it might be beneficial for us to know what types of weapons are out there. Since they were called 'weapons,' I assumed all they did was damage. But I no longer think that's true.
Because of a weapon I haveanyone else with a comment?I have a comment. I think it might be beneficial for us to know what types of weapons are out there. Since they were called 'weapons,' I assumed all they did was damage. But I no longer think that's true.
why not? two people died last night. That seems to be a lot of damage being thrown around
I would like mail-mi to claim what action he took last night (if any)
I would like mail-mi to claim what action he took last night (if any)
I did take one. And it's also why I think at least one, maybe two, of ss/Schadd/SA are scum: I did 30 damage to each of them. And they weren't of the two people that died. So I think it's reasonable to lynch among them because they probably didn't take any other damage, making it more likely that they're scum.
I would like mail-mi to claim what action he took last night (if any)
I did take one. And it's also why I think at least one, maybe two, of ss/Schadd/SA are scum: I did 30 damage to each of them. And they weren't of the two people that died. So I think it's reasonable to lynch among them because they probably didn't take any other damage, making it more likely that they're scum.
what was that weapon called?
I would like mail-mi to claim what action he took last night (if any)
I did take one. And it's also why I think at least one, maybe two, of ss/Schadd/SA are scum: I did 30 damage to each of them. And they weren't of the two people that died. So I think it's reasonable to lynch among them because they probably didn't take any other damage, making it more likely that they're scum.
what was that weapon called?
Air strike. And it ended my turn so I couldn't do anything else.
I would like mail-mi to claim what action he took last night (if any)
I did take one. And it's also why I think at least one, maybe two, of ss/Schadd/SA are scum: I did 30 damage to each of them. And they weren't of the two people that died. So I think it's reasonable to lynch among them because they probably didn't take any other damage, making it more likely that they're scum.
what was that weapon called?
Air strike. And it ended my turn so I couldn't do anything else.
I took 30 damage, so that part is verified.
What was your turn order number?
i definitely have a weapon whose primary purpose is non-damageBecause of a weapon I haveanyone else with a comment?I have a comment. I think it might be beneficial for us to know what types of weapons are out there. Since they were called 'weapons,' I assumed all they did was damage. But I no longer think that's true.
why not? two people died last night. That seems to be a lot of damage being thrown around
oh, mail-mi is lying.
confirmed scum
vote: mail-mi
oh, mail-mi is lying.You can't just say these things with no explanation!
confirmed scum
vote: mail-mi
oh, mail-mi is lying.You can't just say these things with no explanation!
confirmed scum
vote: mail-mi
the worms games have duplicate weapons out the wazoo
Nope, each item is definitely not unique, I currently have two of the same (not airstrike) item right now.
ooh, that's a bit of a townslip on e since mafia (probably) know of a duplicate by now
so......no one else thinks Ghacob is scum? Or are we waiting for something else?I guess I'm waiting for Ghacob to say something but I don't want to vote right away because it might be LyLo
so......no one else thinks Ghacob is scum? Or are we waiting for something else?I guess I'm waiting for Ghacob to say something but I don't want to vote right away because it might be LyLo
so......no one else thinks Ghacob is scum? Or are we waiting for something else?I guess I'm waiting for Ghacob to say something but I don't want to vote right away because it might be LyLo
I mean, there are 4 scum, hard to say how it wouldn't be lylo unless town shoots well tonight with weapons that hurt people.
But I think using the lylo excuse is also a wonderful "towny" thing for scum to do. It is a get out of free card for not putting a vote down and showing where you stand.
That being said, waiting for Ghacob is fine, but I do find this J Reggie opening with a vote then unvote right at the start of D2 a bit suspect in my opinion
For the last post, PPE: 1 :P
Who's in this game again? *A very slow and arduous process involving navigating to the first page in a new tab later*
Unless specified, "slight town" reads are being self doubted and will be refined at a later date. My current self worry with that whole deal is that I sometimes have a tendancy to think "ah yes, the town seems to be in consensus that this one is town, therefore they probably are" when that can often leads to bad times. That said:
1. Roadrunner7671: Null
2. SpaceAnemone: Slight town
3. gkrieg13: Good at game. Slight town leaning, but not confident enough in my own ability to recognize
4. J Reggie: Slight town
5. silverspawn: Slight scum. Questioning if by "consensus effect." Gut.
6. chairs: Slight scum. Gut.
8. 2.71828.....:Good at game. Null.
9. mail-mi: Null
10. Dylan32: Slight town
11. schadd: Null
12. EFHW: Null
Reads pretty weak overall right now. Can probably be strengthen by a reread that isn't at 2 AM. mail-mi, I'm not a he
Then look at this reads list with our confirmed town highlighted in green. After getting upset about what Ghacob feels to be votes for inactivity, they post several times and end up here. silverspawn and chairs (two of my town reads) as scum, and a healthy mix of null/town between actual town and actual scum.
This list reads scum to me. Plus the first thing I posted about.
I would like mail-mi to claim what action he took last night (if any)
I did take one. And it's also why I think at least one, maybe two, of ss/Schadd/SA are scum: I did 30 damage to each of them. And they weren't of the two people that died. So I think it's reasonable to lynch among them because they probably didn't take any other damage, making it more likely that they're scum.
I think e should determine a claim order.
I think e should determine a claim order.
I think ghacob needs to claim in their first post back, whenever that is.
Other than that, I am not entirely convinced a mass claim is the way to go. I am willing to go forward with it if everyone wants to though.
If we do, I like this order:
Already claimed:
Mail-mi: air strike, targeted schadd, silverspawn, and SpaceAnemone for 30 damage each
e: air strike, targets not claimed
Ghacob
Schadd
SpaceAnemone
J Reggie
RR
silverspawn
Chairs
e (finish claiming)
I think e should determine a claim order.
I think ghacob needs to claim in their first post back, whenever that is.
Other than that, I am not entirely convinced a mass claim is the way to go. I am willing to go forward with it if everyone wants to though.
If we do, I like this order:
Already claimed:
Mail-mi: air strike, targeted schadd, silverspawn, and SpaceAnemone for 30 damage each
e: air strike, targets not claimed
Ghacob
Schadd
SpaceAnemone
J Reggie
RR
silverspawn
Chairs
e (finish claiming)
Well, that's an ordering of names. Where on earth does your townread on Chairs come from?
Maybe Ghacob just won't post and they'll die due to inactivity? If they're scum, that'll benefit us since unless I misunderstood the inactivity rules it won't swap to night over that.FTFY
Okay, I'm glad some more people are posting... I'm a little uncomfortable at how much e and, to a lesser extent, Silver, have driven pretty everything in D2 so far.
@Mail-mi, I've seen you described as a set-up-solving kind of person before somewhere... what's your opinion of the idea of claiming play order? Do you see where I'm trying to go with this?
I'm asking Mail-mi in particular because it feels unlikely that both e and Mail-mi are both scummy, but I guess that question's open to all the rest of you too!
So. Claiming.
Things we can claim: turn order, weapons used, weapons we have, health.
I am cool with claiming turn order and weapons used, not so much health and current arsenal
So. Claiming.
Things we can claim: turn order, weapons used, weapons we have, health.
I am cool with claiming turn order and weapons used, not so much health and current arsenal
Also alignment.
Request prod on Ghacob
Okay, I'm glad some more people are posting... I'm a little uncomfortable at how much e and, to a lesser extent, Silver, have driven pretty everything in D2 so far.
@Mail-mi, I've seen you described as a set-up-solving kind of person before somewhere... what's your opinion of the idea of claiming play order? Do you see where I'm trying to go with this?
I'm asking Mail-mi in particular because it feels unlikely that both e and Mail-mi are both scummy, but I guess that question's open to all the rest of you too!
I don't really see where it helps us, other than outing who (likely) has the utility crate.
Okay, I'm glad some more people are posting... I'm a little uncomfortable at how much e and, to a lesser extent, Silver, have driven pretty everything in D2 so far.
@Mail-mi, I've seen you described as a set-up-solving kind of person before somewhere... what's your opinion of the idea of claiming play order? Do you see where I'm trying to go with this?
I'm asking Mail-mi in particular because it feels unlikely that both e and Mail-mi are both scummy, but I guess that question's open to all the rest of you too!
I don't really see where it helps us, other than outing who (likely) has the utility crate.
Think about it more. There's clearly been some scum coordination in order to make two deaths happen. (Hmm.. Or else town has been flailing more wildly that I think reasonable, bbut let's push that aside for now). For that to happen, they need to have coordinated things in order. The order is important, because certain players have defensive stuff and other things that only work further down the turn order chain... and I think there's a way to scum-hunt using the info :-)
Oh, though also, anyone dealing damage reflexively should probably not claim the amount for now, just that they do.. we can use that extra piece of info as a check afterwards in cases where it's necessary; otherwise it helps keep people's current health more of a secret.
Think about it more. There's clearly been some scum coordination in order to make two deaths happen. (Hmm.. Or else town has been flailing more wildly that I think reasonable, bbut let's push that aside for now). For that to happen, they need to have coordinated things in order. The order is important, because certain players have defensive stuff and other things that only work further down the turn order chain... and I think there's a way to scum-hunt using the info :-)
Oh, though also, anyone dealing damage reflexively should probably not claim the amount for now, just that they do.. we can use that extra piece of info as a check afterwards in cases where it's necessary; otherwise it helps keep people's current health more of a secret.
Hmmm. You're right, I was just thinking that crate collecting was the only thing that was in turn order.
The only thing I can claim is completely moot.
@Schadd, @J Reggie and @Roadrunner, same question to you: what do you feel about the claim order and how it might match up to your various reads on people?quoted here:
Ghacobi'm still not sure exactly what we gain from claiming order. it is outed who got the utility crate, and there is probably some information to be gained from what order weaponry happened, but that seems perhaps too convoluted, and probably more revealing to scum (since they know what happened in 4 of the turns). at least, there should be a prelimi-claim about whether people "have something interesting that might be revealed" from the turn order. i don't really have a thing like that.
Schadd
SpaceAnemone
J Reggie
RR
silverspawn
Chairs
e (finish claiming)
hi, i'm schadd, the moneyhouse. lockjaw.Is that a reference to the Kodak Black song?
nohi, i'm schadd, the moneyhouse. lockjaw.Is that a reference to the Kodak Black song?
hi, i'm schadd, the moneyhouse. lockjaw.Is that a reference to the Kodak Black song?
You might want to look up French Montana instead. The song is technically French Montana feat. Kodak but Kodak just slayed his verse and Montant is mediocre at besthi, i'm schadd, the moneyhouse. lockjaw.Is that a reference to the Kodak Black song?
aaand now I have to look up Kodak Black.
Think about it more. There's clearly been some scum coordination in order to make two deaths happen. (Hmm.. Or else town has been flailing more wildly that I think reasonable, bbut let's push that aside for now). For that to happen, they need to have coordinated things in order. The order is important, because certain players have defensive stuff and other things that only work further down the turn order chain... and I think there's a way to scum-hunt using the info :-)
Oh, though also, anyone dealing damage reflexively should probably not claim the amount for now, just that they do.. we can use that extra piece of info as a check afterwards in cases where it's necessary; otherwise it helps keep people's current health more of a secret.
Hmmm. You're right, I was just thinking that crate collecting was the only thing that was in turn order.
Good. So how do your scum/town reads match up with e's suggested claiming order. Do you feel that Chairs and Silver are more towny than other people?
@Schadd, @J Reggie and @Roadrunner, same question to you: what do you feel about the claim order and how it might match up to your various reads on people?
Hey guys
Oh, so we're actually doing my thing where we just chill. Alright.Hey guys
hey
it will be 48 hours for Ghacob in....about.....10 minutes
Oh, so we're actually doing my thing where we just chill. Alright.Hey guys
hey
it will be 48 hours for Ghacob in....about.....10 minutes
I think that if scum quicklynched they'd be prime weapon targets though. If 4 people quickly jumped on the Robz wagon I'd certainly shoot at themOh, so we're actually doing my thing where we just chill. Alright.Hey guys
hey
it will be 48 hours for Ghacob in....about.....10 minutes
well, I am not. I am actually voting. I think it is obvious by now that Ghacob is scum. Scum have had plenty of time to lynch him if he were in fact town to (maybe?) win the game.
I think that if scum quicklynched they'd be prime weapon targets though. If 4 people quickly jumped on the Robz wagon I'd certainly shoot at themOh, so we're actually doing my thing where we just chill. Alright.Hey guys
hey
it will be 48 hours for Ghacob in....about.....10 minutes
well, I am not. I am actually voting. I think it is obvious by now that Ghacob is scum. Scum have had plenty of time to lynch him if he were in fact town to (maybe?) win the game.
I think that if scum quicklynched they'd be prime weapon targets though. If 4 people quickly jumped on the Robz wagon I'd certainly shoot at themOh, so we're actually doing my thing where we just chill. Alright.Hey guys
hey
it will be 48 hours for Ghacob in....about.....10 minutes
well, I am not. I am actually voting. I think it is obvious by now that Ghacob is scum. Scum have had plenty of time to lynch him if he were in fact town to (maybe?) win the game.
We clearly can't wait for Ghacob, let's proceed, shadd ist next, go go go!
We clearly can't wait for Ghacob, let's proceed, shadd ist next, go go go!
and I feel like there's still a decent chance Ghacob's incapacitated town.
Request prod on Ghacob
Prod sent.
Request prod on Ghacob
Prod sent.
Oh, and also, I don't think we should be considering the objective of this day phase to be just to identify and lynch off one scum.
I think we need to get as clear as possible an idea who all the scum are in order for town to have a fighting chance. We're going to have to make a concerted effort to attack them in the night, rather than carpet-bombing a handful of targets solo like mail-mi did and damaging townies in the process, because that just plays even more into scum's hands. They're already too strong, so we need to pull together!
and of the 4 people for whom he voted D1, three have now flipped town (and the other is mail-mi).
Inactivity
If any player does not post in the game thread for more than 48 hours straight without prior announcement, they lose 30 health the first time and are subject to replacement the second time. Players who do not post in the game thread for more than 72 hours straight are subject to replacement as well.
Ghacob's inactivity has really hurt us. I think at this point we lynch them (really sorry) and move on , maybe claiming but maybe not.
Ghacob's inactivity has really hurt us. I think at this point we lynch him and move on , maybe claiming but maybe not.
Oh, and also, I don't think we should be considering the objective of this day phase to be just to identify and lynch off one scum.
I think we need to get as clear as possible an idea who all the scum are in order for town to have a fighting chance. We're going to have to make a concerted effort to attack them in the night, rather than carpet-bombing a handful of targets solo like mail-mi did and damaging townies in the process, because that just plays even more into scum's hands. They're already too strong, so we need to pull together!
Oh, and also, I don't think we should be considering the objective of this day phase to be just to identify and lynch off one scum.I did miss this post. And I almost think it's scummy. You have a inspirational speech but there's no backing to it. Even with claims, the picture won't magically paint itself. This isn't a dramatic, successful airstrike. This is a grind, and we should treat it like that. We're going to take damage and we're going to have to get a little lucky. With so many scum floating around, we can't really pull together at all.
I think we need to get as clear as possible an idea who all the scum are in order for town to have a fighting chance. We're going to have to make a concerted effort to attack them in the night, rather than carpet-bombing a handful of targets solo like mail-mi did and damaging townies in the process, because that just plays even more into scum's hands. They're already too strong, so we need to pull together!
Also, Haddock you need to claim
Also, Haddock you need to claim
I thing the priority should be a reads list first.
Putting Ghacob first in the claiming order was primarily on your say-so. I don't think we should do the full claiming exercise until we've had a chance to discuss the claiming order first. If Haddock thinks you're practically IC like many other seem to, then that's one thing, but I'd like him to form an independent impression first. Same for all the other quiet players here, really.
We don't have time to discuss the claiming order. Just follow it.I forgot to say how much I don't like this post. We have like 3 days to talk about this, assuming we're all active that should be plenty. Trying to rush the day isn't a good thing to do
Wrong. We have 2/3 of the day behind us and haven't gotten to a single claim yet, let alone all, yet alone all and discussion. YES WE NEED TO RUSH. shadd and haddock, go ahead and claim in your next post.I have a seminar to go to for the next ~1.5 hours. I will be posting my thoughts from last night's catchup reread (and yes, claiming too, since we're doing that) when I get back from that.
.....Wrong. We have 2/3 of the day behind us and haven't gotten to a single claim yet, let alone all, yet alone all and discussion. YES WE NEED TO RUSH. shadd and haddock, go ahead and claim in your next post.I have a seminar to go to for the next ~1.5 hours. I will be posting my thoughts from last night's catchup reread (and yes, claiming too, since we're doing that) when I get back from that.
you weren't supposed to reveal your ability, but okay.Really? I thought we were massclaiming. I mean, there's a good chance I'm dead tonight anyway.
i went first in the turn order. i used a banana bomb, which targets someone with 70% accuracy and heals them for 30, and also heals 3 random other people for 3. i targeted e, it landed.
you weren't supposed to reveal your ability, but okay.Really? I thought we were massclaiming. I mean, there's a good chance I'm dead tonight anyway.
I was tenth.you weren't supposed to reveal your ability, but okay.Really? I thought we were massclaiming. I mean, there's a good chance I'm dead tonight anyway.
Yeah, no, just actions taken last night.
You also need to state your place in the turn order but not the number you (Ghacob) bid to get there.
I don't remember where I am in claim order, but now's a good moment for me to claim. I went 6th and I had a Minigun so I shot at Dylan32 for a hit and a couple other people (I can go back and check later) missing the other two. I'm a little disappointed since I think this effectively breaks the otherwise awesome vig streak I had going of playing basically perfect with regards to killing people at night - I realize I couldn't be the only one who hit Dylan, but still, it's frustrating.
I'm next in Mail-mi's claim order.
I want to reiterate that I'm really worried that e and Silver are scum, and that the order is rigged to favour scum. Either that, or nobody townie is paying enough attention or engaging with what I'm trying to do :-(
Anyway, I went 9th, and I activated my mine. I warned everyone before the end of D1 that I was spiky :-) Mail-mi's airstrike won't have caused him damage, though, because he was ahead of me in the turn order. Someone targeting me after my turn will have taken damage.
I don't remember where I am in claim order, but now's a good moment for me to claim. I went 6th and I had a Minigun so I shot at Dylan32 for a hit and a couple other people (I can go back and check later) missing the other two. I'm a little disappointed since I think this effectively breaks the otherwise awesome vig streak I had going of playing basically perfect with regards to killing people at night - I realize I couldn't be the only one who hit Dylan, but still, it's frustrating.
this makes me suspect chairs slightly.
I'm next in Mail-mi's claim order.
I want to reiterate that I'm really worried that e and Silver are scum, and that the order is rigged to favour scum. Either that, or nobody townie is paying enough attention or engaging with what I'm trying to do :-(
Anyway, I went 9th, and I activated my mine. I warned everyone before the end of D1 that I was spiky :-) Mail-mi's airstrike won't have caused him damage, though, because he was ahead of me in the turn order. Someone targeting me after my turn will have taken damage.
Why did you activate a mine when you were ninth? It would only have affected 3 people, and only if they targeted you.
Play, in order so far:
Schadd: #1: Banana Bomb healed e for 30 and 3 random others for 10.
Mail-mi: #3: air strike, targeted schadd, silver, and SA for 30 damage each.
Chairs: #6: Minigun, which hit Dylan and missed a couple of others.
SA: #9: Activated mine.
Haddock: #10: No action taken.
Unclaimed/partially claimed:
e: #?: air strike, targets not claimed
J Reggie: #?: ?
RR: #?: ?
Silver: #?: ?
And that's day 1
So uh schadd and RR are my biggest scum reads right now, followed by SA. So vote: schadd
I've already claimed my number. It's 7. I can claim my action now if you want, although it won't tell anyone anything new.
And that's day 1
So uh schadd and RR are my biggest scum reads right now, followed by SA. So vote: schadd
Please be careful here! If you're town, then voting someone we're not 100% sure is scum is dangerous because it only takes 5 to lynch and there are 4 scums left. If we lose town tonight we're almost certainly utterly screwed, even though the game isn't technically over till we're all dead. I say this assuming you're town, because that's where my current read on you is at.
Also, you appear to be voting based on D1 only, so I'd really like to hear how your D2 reads have evolved. In particular, I thought you'd moved past thinking I'm scummy, and I agree with your post at #538 that there should be definite suspicion on Chairs.
If you're scum, then please just nobody towny follow Mail-mi onto this wagon before we can go through the rest of the claim process and figure as much as possible out first.
Wow. If that's a scumslip it's probably the most hilarious one ever. :Dthat's why it missed 8)
vote: RR
You know he was already dead, right?
Yeah, seriously stop this! We need to finish claiming and working out who all the scums are so that the rest of us know who to be targeting at night.I don't disagree, but actually I think the status quo was just fine.
It is not good enough simply to lynch scum right now, and anyone jumping on wagons is definitely not being pro-town!!!
(Nor is it pro-town not to turn up when we're ready to vote... so if you're going to be away at points between now and the deadline, it's a good idea to give warning and stuff, rather than to spring it on the rest of us as reason for hammering).
(Clarified that with the mod)
Well, confirming I'm not scum.
Intent to hammer
Play, in order so far:
Schadd: #1: Banana Bomb healed e for 30 and 3 random others for 10.
Mail-mi: #3: air strike, targeted schadd, silver, and SA for 30 damage each.
Silver: #5: No action taken.
Chairs: #6: Minigun, which hit Dylan and missed a couple of others.
J Reggie: #7: Investigative pistol: said that Mail-mi had used a damage weapon.
SA: #9: Activated mine.
Haddock: #10: No action taken.
Unclaimed/partially claimed:
e: #?: air strike, targets not claimed
RR: #?: ?
So, e and RR, could you two please claim as soon as you're awake and on the forum?
(Clarified that with the mod)
While you were over in your QT, did you happen to notice who else you'd targeted?
| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 | Schadd Dylan/EFHW mail-mi e silverspawn chairs J Reggie Dylan/EFHW SpaceAnemone Haddock RR | Banana Bomb healed e for 30 and 3 random others for 10 ?? air strike, targeted schadd, silver, and SA for 30 damage each air strike, targeted schadd, Haddock, and J Reggie for 30 damage each None Minigun, which hit Dylan and missed a couple of others Investigative pistol: said that Mail-mi had used a damage weapon ?? Activated mine None Banana Bomb on gkrieg, missed |
Yeah, seriously stop this! We need to finish claiming and working out who all the scums are so that the rest of us know who to be targeting at night.
It is not good enough simply to lynch scum right now, and anyone jumping on wagons is definitely not being pro-town!!!
(Nor is it pro-town not to turn up when we're ready to vote... so if you're going to be away at points between now and the deadline, it's a good idea to give warning and stuff, rather than to spring it on the rest of us as reason for hammering).
Well, confirming I'm not scum.
Intent to hammer
Well, confirming I'm not scum.
Intent to hammer
This confirms nothing
I know it doesn't clear me at all. I was being facetious.
At night, all actions are processed in turn order, starting with the actions of the player in spot 1. Actions that players in lower spots perform cannot affect the actions taken before. If any player's health drops to 0 or below before their turn starts, their actions will not be processed. If a player drops to 0 health or below during a given night and his health would move above 0 later that same night, they will still die.
Well, confirming I'm not scum.
Intent to hammer
This confirms nothingI know it doesn't clear me at all. I was being facetious.
Well, confirming I'm not scum.
Intent to hammer
Just to note: this doesn't confirm you as not scum. Scum doesn't necessarily win here if we mislynch, and in fact they know more than we do so they might know that they certainly won't win tonight even if we mislynch. Actually, scum points to mail-mi here.
Also, unvote but vote: rr.
I completely disagree with SA that we need to find the whole scum team right now. It is a completely ludicrous idea that we would be able to, and it basically lines everyone up for scum to kill at night.
Okay, RR, in addition to telling us what you meant by your Banana Bomb target, please also tell us what number you bid to land up at place #11.
also: why is RR scum because of his claim?he said that he targeted gkrieg, who is in fact dead
i don't see how it is wasted. is there a health cap at 100?At night, all actions are processed in turn order, starting with the actions of the player in spot 1. Actions that players in lower spots perform cannot affect the actions taken before. If any player's health drops to 0 or below before their turn starts, their actions will not be processed. If a player drops to 0 health or below during a given night and his health would move above 0 later that same night, they will still die.
Also, not reading the setup is scummy. Schadd gets huge scum points for wasting one of the most valuable healing items (as far as I can tell) that town possesses
I completely disagree with SA that we need to find the whole scum team right now. It is a completely ludicrous idea that we would be able to, and it basically lines everyone up for scum to kill at night.uh, i mean, we're at 5 town, 4 scum, even when we kill rr today, i am concerned that scum might be able to pull another double-kill tonight (depending on how we think it happenend last night). and if (since?) we know rr is scum then we might be able to do some detectivery first, presumably
I maintain my vote.
Haddock has done nothing to dissuade me
Okay, RR, in addition to telling us what you meant by your Banana Bomb target, please also tell us what number you bid to land up at place #11.
Why does that matter?
Okay, RR, in addition to telling us what you meant by your Banana Bomb target, please also tell us what number you bid to land up at place #11.
Why does that matter?
How about we don't discuss this till after? :-)
Middle ground, people. It would definitely be a good idea for us to pick at least one player to try to kill tonight.I completely disagree with SA that we need to find the whole scum team right now. It is a completely ludicrous idea that we would be able to, and it basically lines everyone up for scum to kill at night.uh, i mean, we're at 5 town, 4 scum, even when we kill rr today, i am concerned that scum might be able to pull another double-kill tonight (depending on how we think it happenend last night). and if (since?) we know rr is scum then we might be able to do some detectivery first, presumably
I maintain my vote.
Haddock has done nothing to dissuade me
I'm pretty sure right now on RR/chairs/schadd. Dunno about a fourth one though.
Okay, RR, in addition to telling us what you meant by your Banana Bomb target, please also tell us what number you bid to land up at place #11.Do you still want me to answer this?
uh
Okay, RR, in addition to telling us what you meant by your Banana Bomb target, please also tell us what number you bid to land up at place #11.Do you still want me to answer this?
4Okay, RR, in addition to telling us what you meant by your Banana Bomb target, please also tell us what number you bid to land up at place #11.Do you still want me to answer this?
Yes please.
4Okay, RR, in addition to telling us what you meant by your Banana Bomb target, please also tell us what number you bid to land up at place #11.Do you still want me to answer this?
Yes please.
Though I think in parallel e should also claim his number.
Just out of curiosity, why am I not an option for you to lynch today?Though I think in parallel e should also claim his number.
Haha, this is funny. Not happening. Claiming numbers is ridiculous. I have had a terrible D2, but I am not about to let scum!anemone run this game for town.
Haddock had had a vote sitting on him all day. He is 1) scum or 2) it's not actually lylo. SA, J Reggie, and others have been crying wolf all day to appear towny, but their strategies are flawed.
The simple mass claim we have done is sufficient for now. Now we just need to lynch Haddock or schadd and move to D3
Still want to lynch RR. His explanation is pretty much exactly what he has to say if he's scum.If I was scum I wouldn't have claimed that
Just out of curiosity, why am I not an option for you to lynch today?Though I think in parallel e should also claim his number.
Haha, this is funny. Not happening. Claiming numbers is ridiculous. I have had a terrible D2, but I am not about to let scum!anemone run this game for town.
Haddock had had a vote sitting on him all day. He is 1) scum or 2) it's not actually lylo. SA, J Reggie, and others have been crying wolf all day to appear towny, but their strategies are flawed.
The simple mass claim we have done is sufficient for now. Now we just need to lynch Haddock or schadd and move to D3
Day 2 ends October 30 at 11 am forum time.
Also, this day cannot end like yesterday.generally agree. i guess i trust your read of rr more than mine but i don't get how you're not pulling a scumread from that he claimed to target someone that was already dead
Would lynch:
schadd, J Reggie, mail-mi, Haddock
Might lynch:
silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Won't lynch:
RR, chairs
Also, this day cannot end like yesterday.generally agree. i guess i trust your read of rr more than mine but i don't get how you're not pulling a scumread from that he claimed to target someone that was already dead
Would lynch:
schadd, J Reggie, mail-mi, Haddock
Might lynch:
silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Won't lynch:
RR, chairs
anyone else with a comment?I have a comment. I think it might be beneficial for us to know what types of weapons are out there. Since they were called 'weapons,' I assumed all they did was damage. But I no longer think that's true.
So gkrieg is a very hard-to-read player and seems to be pretty confident here. vote: gkrieg.
vote: gkrieg
vote: gkrieg
uh, cases, quick n dirty, three most pressing as it would seem
ghacob: posted like 2 times, you can just go read them (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16239.msg647732#msg647732). said they were gonna refine reads and then didn't. posts are a bit sparse and setuppy.
gkrieg: all of his posts are phrased in the negative. and maybe that's because there are a lot of things that people said that are wrong but still. i would also say that he's been changing his mind a bunch except for how he hasn't made up his mind for anything yet. also, what? intent to hammer on m-m and then bam, whitelisted.
mail-mi: oh, we mailed him. bunch of opinions (or rather, a bunch of instances of the same opinion) and not a lot of reasons (as i mentioned earlier, i don't like that he towned on ghacob but then had to reread them). sticking to him because he's sticking to me >:( . he's claimed a thing though. the thing seems more valuable as town than as scum, but idk, it is not difficult to lie about. and in context, the fact that he said "but i have no special powers" sorta rubs me the wrong way, like, he knows that roles have 'special powers'
mine does. my role has a 'special power' probably
I was only going to whitelist him for the day. I haven't been rereading the thread because I wanted to play this game more with my gut because I realized my mislynch rate is pretty high and wanted to see if that was my gut or my analysis. I also figured I would get mislynched in the game because of my recent scum performances so I wanted to have fun while it happened
ok cool
i don't think gkrieg is my weakest read anymore
vote: gkrieg
Shoot. I don't have time to reread.
However vote: gkreig because I agree and also think his coming-off-of-me post was super scummy.
I could go for any wagon that isn't RR, silverspawn, e, or Dylan, or mail-mi.
Would definitely go for SA or Ghacob, EFHW I could also go for.
vote: Ghacob
ps: I probably won't be around for deadline
Though I think in parallel e should also claim his number.
Haha, this is funny. Not happening. Claiming numbers is ridiculous. I have had a terrible D2, but I am not about to let scum!anemone run this game for town.
Though I think in parallel e should also claim his number.
Haha, this is funny. Not happening. Claiming numbers is ridiculous. I have had a terrible D2, but I am not about to let scum!anemone run this game for town.
Refusing to claim is super scummy because these numbers let us verify the order everyone claimed. You put yourself and two of my biggest scum reads last, and with two empty spots from Dylan and EFHW, so scum probably felt they could arrange the order to suit themselves. But we can trap them in that!
So, anyone who's town, please join my in pushing this to completion. Don't follow or sheep e if he's not willing to go with this, post his number and get Chairs to do the same.
Claiming these numbers gives no useful information to scum. It takes only seconds to say what you bid, so it doesn't distract from other end-of-day arguments. And today's number bidding gets re-wifomed a little, which just had the side-effect of being extra-confusing to people who don't show up for the deadline.
Scum has no reason to lie about turn order. Like, none. Whatsoever.
The only way to catch scum is through actual scum hunting. You know, looking at posts, seeing someone like you distract everyone with pointless causes right at the deadline and calling it out for what it is: Scummy
e, I don't get you. Half the stuff you're saying makes perfect sense and half of it just seems to be totally crazily off-Base.
Space is right, we can't treat this like a normal game, the night is too important.
Time is getting tight. My favourite lynches are schadd, RR and mail-mi. We need to get on with this now.
Everybody needs to vote e right now.
The only way to catch scum is through actual scum hunting. You know, looking at posts, seeing someone like you distract everyone with pointless causes right at the deadline and calling it out for what it is: Scummy
Your whole post is the sound of scum going way OTT in order to distract from the logic of a good scum-trap.
I'm going keep asking you and Chairs to claim your bids, so the only possible towny solution for you, by your own logic, is to get me to shut up more quickly by claiming.
Scum has no reason to lie about turn order. Like, none. Whatsoever.
If you think a bit about this, you'll probably realize that it isn't true.
Scum has no reason to lie about turn order. Like, none. Whatsoever.
If you think a bit about this, you'll probably realize that it isn't true.
Scum want to tell the truth about as much as they possibly can in order to give off as towny an appearance as possible. I am totally unconvinced that lying about claim order/bid number is something they would do
Reasons I'm convinced e is scum:true. Not scummy though. I mean, you can try to portray it as scummy, but it really isn't. I always start at a default opinion that the mod made a game that can't be "solved" or such and that attempting to exploit those neat facets are a waste of time. I have seen nothing this Gane to suggest that is not the case.
First up, e is being very acti-lurky, or was till the last few calendar days, when he just went quiet, and is now back with a vengeance. He comes out absolutely against any plan to have town coordinate to exploit neat facets of the setup, from discussing weapons in D1 to the claiming exercise in D2 which has caught us at least one scum. To me, this set-up looks very different to a normal Mafia game, since all of town has weapons and abilities, and we don't have to wait to be picked off one by one in the night. Perhaps to scum, it looks a lot more like what a usual Mafia game would look like, which is why I think these continual arguments to play more like a normal game (less claiming and set-up exploitation) probably come from a more scummy place.
Yes. I haven't been as active asking the mod questions.
Next up, e is jumping to a lot of conclusions, like health not being able to go above 100 (spoiler: it totally can go up, I asked in my QT!), or two copies of the same weapon not being possible (obviously they are, but his immediate reaction was to call scum, not check this out). He's doing this in conjunction with throwing scum-reads and votes around, looking for reasons to vote for people or boost a wagon.
Schadd points out the "bit of a townslip" from e, but actually this wouldn't have been very hard to manufacture on e's part. In particular, he seems perfectly willing to accept from Mail-mi -- the person he was accusing of being scum -- that multiple weapons do exist because Mail-mi said he was holding duplicates. If e was town and genuinely though Mail-mi was scum, e should have been supicious there. Furthermore, how did e even think that Mail-mi knew the name and action of the weapon if he didn't have a copy he could see or ask about? I just don't think that whole interaction was genuine on e's part.first, I assumed mail-mi had a power that have him visibility on what various weapons did and had been forced to guess a weapon from that list to claim. Second, I did actually ask for confirmation from the mod about weapons having duplicates, and when I got confirmation from them is when I believed mail- mi. Third, go back and reread that while exchange. "If e was town and genuinely though Mail-mi was scum, e should have been supicious there" - I was suspicious! You know, like, I voted him. Got mod confirmation, then withdrew my vote. Or withdrew until I got mod confirmation.
On the gkrieg lynch, e was off-wagon, already tunneling Ghacob. I'm really not sure about this interaction. I'd ready Ghacob as town, but I haven't been overly impressed by Haddock's play since taking over. The question is, would e vote for a partner so consistently for towncred? I think the answer is probably yes, but if J Reggie or Mail-mi wants to weigh in, that would help reassure me (or not). Of course, in this game there are so many scums, someone (JR?) already pointed out that scum are going to have to be having fake interactions that we need to keep an eye out for.Yeah, wish I had been around at end of day D1. But I wasn't. I am not repeating that this time. The entire gkrieg lynch was a travesty
Lastly, in early D2, e keeps saying that Silver is a town read. Is Silver on anybody's list of confidently towny people?
e, I don't get you. Half the stuff you're saying makes perfect sense and half of it just seems to be totally crazily off-Base.
Space is right, we can't treat this like a normal game, the night is too important.
Time is getting tight. My favourite lynches are schadd, RR and mail-mi. We need to get on with this now.
With the people we have here right now (as far as I can tell) schadd seems like the only possible lynch. I would be willing to switch closer to deadline as necessary
With the people we have here right now (as far as I can tell) schadd seems like the only possible lynch. I would be willing to switch closer to deadline as necessary
I'd like good reasons from you and Haddock for not being interested in conf!scum Chairs, too...
No lynch is also an option.
No lynch is also an option.I really don't think it is.
I think saying chairs is scum because he claimed to target one of the people who died is a stretch at best
Uh oh. Either scum is bussing or I'm wrong about chairs...
Scum team is e, haddock, chairs, RR. Would be happy lynching any of them.
I think saying chairs is scum because he claimed to target one of the people who died is a stretch at best
I'm saying he's scum because he lied about how his action works. The wording for the minigun is clear enough that I don't see there's any chance of him thinking it's a vig weapon, which is how he represented it in his claim.
Well, here goes nothing.
vote: chairs
Well, here goes nothing.
vote: chairs
See, now they're totally at bussing point. I think I'd prefer to take e out, if we can get that wagon moving... the problem with Chairs is he's so non-present he's not as much of an asset to their side anyway.
I think I'd prefer to take e out,
Well, here goes nothing.
vote: chairs
See, now they're totally at bussing point. I think I'd prefer to take e out, if we can get that wagon moving... the problem with Chairs is he's so non-present he's not as much of an asset to their side anyway.
Are you implying I'm scum?
Well, here goes nothing.
vote: chairs
See, now they're totally at bussing point. I think I'd prefer to take e out, if we can get that wagon moving... the problem with Chairs is he's so non-present he's not as much of an asset to their side anyway.
Are you implying I'm scum?
Also, yes I'd ideally take our e bit there no way that will happen with who's online.
I honestly doubt we will get a lynch through at all. Which is pathetic.
And unless we mislynch, I'll try to IC myself for tomorrow.
Among other things, I'm on very low health. That in itself is a good reason to leave me alive.
Have to disappear for like an hour now. Racetime.
Will be back by deadline.
Have to disappear for like an hour now. Racetime.
Will be back by deadline.
Isn't the deadline in 20 minutes?
I woke up at perfect timing. Is lynching town better than a no lynch?
I woke up at perfect timing. Is lynching town better than a no lynch?
IF YOU ARE HERE RIGHT NOW, VOTE FOR CHAIRS.Chill man we got time
IF YOU ARE HERE RIGHT NOW, VOTE FOR CHAIRS.
IF YOU ARE HERE RIGHT NOW, VOTE FOR HADDOCK.
IF YOU ARE HERE RIGHT NOW, VOTE FOR CHAIRS.
You could be scum though and you're counter claiming chairs, taking the calculated risk and hoping he won't come online. That's my concernI woke up at perfect timing. Is lynching town better than a no lynch?
Awesome, you're here too!
Chairs is pretty much conf!scum (he lied about his minigun) so a vote there would be okay, even though I'd prefer to take e out.
IF YOU ARE HERE RIGHT NOW, VOTE FOR HADDOCK.
FTFY
So the run-down:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11Schadd
Dylan/EFHW
mail-mi
e
silverspawn
chairs
J Reggie
Dylan/EFHW
SpaceAnemone
Haddock
RRBanana Bomb healed e for 30 and 3 random others for 10
??
air strike, targeted schadd, silver, and SA for 30 damage each
air strike, targeted schadd, Haddock, and J Reggie for 30 damage each
None
Minigun, which hit Dylan and missed a couple of others
Investigative pistol: said that Mail-mi had used a damage weapon
??
Activated mine
None
Banana Bomb on gkrieg, missed
IF YOU ARE HERE RIGHT NOW, VOTE FOR HADDOCK.
FTFY
Muh. But chairs lied.
I don't remember where I am in claim order, but now's a good moment for me to claim. I went 6th and I had a Minigun so I shot at Dylan32 for a hit and a couple other people (I can go back and check later) missing the other two. I'm a little disappointed since I think this effectively breaks the otherwise awesome vig streak I had going of playing basically perfect with regards to killing people at night - I realize I couldn't be the only one who hit Dylan, but still, it's frustrating.Okay, this is what chairs said
So the run-down:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11Schadd
Dylan/EFHW
mail-mi
e
silverspawn
chairs
J Reggie
Dylan/EFHW
SpaceAnemone
Haddock
RRBanana Bomb healed e for 30 and 3 random others for 10
??
air strike, targeted schadd, silver, and SA for 30 damage each
air strike, targeted schadd, Haddock, and J Reggie for 30 damage each
None
Minigun, which hit Dylan and missed a couple of others
Investigative pistol: said that Mail-mi had used a damage weapon
??
Activated mine
None
Banana Bomb on gkrieg, missed
No, he claimed to hit one town who died. SpaceAnemone is the one who very helpfully claimed chairs hit efhw
You could be scum though and you're counter claiming chairs, taking the calculated risk and hoping he won't come online. That's my concernI woke up at perfect timing. Is lynching town better than a no lynch?
Awesome, you're here too!
Chairs is pretty much conf!scum (he lied about his minigun) so a vote there would be okay, even though I'd prefer to take e out.
I don't remember where I am in claim order, but now's a good moment for me to claim. I went 6th and I had a Minigun so I shot at Dylan32 for a hit and a couple other people (I can go back and check later) missing the other two. I'm a little disappointed since I think this effectively breaks the otherwise awesome vig streak I had going of playing basically perfect with regards to killing people at night - I realize I couldn't be the only one who hit Dylan, but still, it's frustrating.Okay, this is what chairs said
I don't remember where I am in claim order, but now's a good moment for me to claim. I went 6th and I had a Minigun so I shot at Dylan32 for a hit and a couple other people (I can go back and check later) missing the other two. I'm a little disappointed since I think this effectively breaks the otherwise awesome vig streak I had going of playing basically perfect with regards to killing people at night - I realize I couldn't be the only one who hit Dylan, but still, it's frustrating.Okay, this is what chairs said
Meh, I'm probably gonna vote for chairs if nothing else comes up
If it does damage it's a vig weapon.I don't remember where I am in claim order, but now's a good moment for me to claim. I went 6th and I had a Minigun so I shot at Dylan32 for a hit and a couple other people (I can go back and check later) missing the other two. I'm a little disappointed since I think this effectively breaks the otherwise awesome vig streak I had going of playing basically perfect with regards to killing people at night - I realize I couldn't be the only one who hit Dylan, but still, it's frustrating.Okay, this is what chairs said
Yes, and I pressed him on it, and he backed away vaguely saying that actually he didn't do any damage now he'd asked the mod. There is no way he read the Minigun action and thought it was any kind of a vig weapon.
I'm going to be here for all 7.Meh, I'm probably gonna vote for chairs if nothing else comes up
You're aware we have like 7 minutes left, yes?
If it does damage it's a vig weapon.I don't remember where I am in claim order, but now's a good moment for me to claim. I went 6th and I had a Minigun so I shot at Dylan32 for a hit and a couple other people (I can go back and check later) missing the other two. I'm a little disappointed since I think this effectively breaks the otherwise awesome vig streak I had going of playing basically perfect with regards to killing people at night - I realize I couldn't be the only one who hit Dylan, but still, it's frustrating.Okay, this is what chairs said
Yes, and I pressed him on it, and he backed away vaguely saying that actually he didn't do any damage now he'd asked the mod. There is no way he read the Minigun action and thought it was any kind of a vig weapon.
Right?
If it does damage it's a vig weapon.I don't remember where I am in claim order, but now's a good moment for me to claim. I went 6th and I had a Minigun so I shot at Dylan32 for a hit and a couple other people (I can go back and check later) missing the other two. I'm a little disappointed since I think this effectively breaks the otherwise awesome vig streak I had going of playing basically perfect with regards to killing people at night - I realize I couldn't be the only one who hit Dylan, but still, it's frustrating.Okay, this is what chairs said
Yes, and I pressed him on it, and he backed away vaguely saying that actually he didn't do any damage now he'd asked the mod. There is no way he read the Minigun action and thought it was any kind of a vig weapon.
Right?
RR vote chairs nowWe have time fellas
Huh? I thought SA said it damages 3 people for 30 damage each, for a total of 90 damageIf it does damage it's a vig weapon.I don't remember where I am in claim order, but now's a good moment for me to claim. I went 6th and I had a Minigun so I shot at Dylan32 for a hit and a couple other people (I can go back and check later) missing the other two. I'm a little disappointed since I think this effectively breaks the otherwise awesome vig streak I had going of playing basically perfect with regards to killing people at night - I realize I couldn't be the only one who hit Dylan, but still, it's frustrating.Okay, this is what chairs said
Yes, and I pressed him on it, and he backed away vaguely saying that actually he didn't do any damage now he'd asked the mod. There is no way he read the Minigun action and thought it was any kind of a vig weapon.
Right?
It doesn't do damage, it shares damage (according to SA).
Look at that: I saved my vote and chairs showed up
Vote: SpaceAnemone
Intent to hammer unless I chicken out
Vote: haddockOh my god stauppppppp
Intent to hammer unless I chicken out
Everyone switch to haddock now!
Intent to hammer unless I chicken out
It's not even a hammer now.
It's not too late until the mod gets here
It's not too late until the mod gets here
Oh, is Haddock hammered?
That's definitely not falseIt's not too late until the mod gets here
False.
"Perfectly good scum lynch"It's not too late until the mod gets here
Don't bet on that!! You're being an idiot if you're throwing away a perfectly good scum lynch without being certain...
Read the darn setup RR. But vote chairs first just in case Faust bends the rules.Vote: chairs
"Perfectly good scum lynch"It's not too late until the mod gets here
Don't bet on that!! You're being an idiot if you're throwing away a perfectly good scum lynch without being certain...
If chairs is town, we probably straight up lose. So I'm not sorry for being a little cautious
oh was that a hammerino?I think e hammered
@Schadd, you said the other three targets were random -- are you saying that you don't get to know who exactly they are?i don't get to know them
Any kind of hammer happened after 11:00 thanks to e.
I'll share the blame with e, but yeah.Any kind of hammer happened after 11:00 thanks to e.
Thanks to RR, more like. He had the opportunity and threw it away :-(
I'll share the blame with e, but yeah.Any kind of hammer happened after 11:00 thanks to e.
Thanks to RR, more like. He had the opportunity and threw it away :-(
Who are we killing?
I'll share the blame with e, but yeah.Any kind of hammer happened after 11:00 thanks to e.
Thanks to RR, more like. He had the opportunity and threw it away :-(
Who are we killing?
e
J Reggie. Stupid phone AutocorrectI'll share the blame with e, but yeah.Any kind of hammer happened after 11:00 thanks to e.
Thanks to RR, more like. He had the opportunity and threw it away :-(
Who are we killing?
e
Schadd and just reggie
I'll share the blame with e, but yeah.Any kind of hammer happened after 11:00 thanks to e.
Thanks to RR, more like. He had the opportunity and threw it away :-(
Who are we killing?
e
Schadd and just reggie
We have to kill e tonight.
I would count it if I were the mod. But I am notIt's Faust so I think it could go either way
Not Voting (9): Roadrunner7671, SpaceAnemone, J Reggie, silverspawn, chairs, Ghacob, 2.71828....., mail-mi, schadd
E is pretty much conf!scum now. vote: e
Now I'm questioning that, given how quickly Space and Schadd jumped on the wagon...
I love the change in reads on me from schadd and Reggie from the start of D2 to the start of D3. But yeah. I will actually get a good part in later.
Town, I implore you, do not let scum!anemone take over this game. Scum can't lynch me without your help, don't give it to them.
At least let me claim or something. I will gladly claim, but let's talk this out first before I do.
Here is my proposed claim order:
SpaceAnemone
Chairs
Schadd
Roadrunner
Myself
J Reggie
Haddock
Mail-mi
silverspawn
Also, you guys had such strong scum reads on silverspawn early on, what happened? Decided he wasn't an easy lynch?
I'm townreading e. Not sure where all this is coming from.
I think e is probably town. Mail-mi is my current scumread.
I think e is probably town. Mail-mi is my current scumread.
Town, I implore you, do not let scum!anemone take over this game. Scum can't lynch me without your help, don't give it to them.
At least let me claim or something. I will gladly claim, but let's talk this out first before I do.
Here is my proposed claim order:
SpaceAnemone
Chairs
Schadd
Roadrunner
Myself
J Reggie
Haddock
Mail-mi
silverspawn
Also, you guys had such strong scum reads on silverspawn early on, what happened? Decided he wasn't an easy lynch?
Look at me being reasonable. Giving obv!scum haddock a claim all the way at the bottom.makes no sense. If you think I'm scum, it's not "reasonable" to put me towards the bottom. WIFOM from players claiming to be town is all well and good in most games, but this game, e, you need to cut it out. Seriously, I think you're town, but you've got the wrong end of the stick. STOP TRYING TO TREAT THIS GAME LIKE IT'S A TYPICAL GAME. IT MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT.
That would probably be you being scum and him being scum and the two of you having warm fuzzy scummy feelings about one another ;-)Probably not
If you want those of us on team town to believe for even a moment that you might be remotely townie, how about helping with the scum-hunting agenda a bit more? You agreed back in your previous post (#640) that the ordering is important, so how about supporting the efforts to catch scum out in the bidding from N1?
I really strongly dislike the e wagon. We definitely need to be claiming night actions before any decisions get made, but in the meantime I still don't see any reason why e should be scum.
This order is fine except Space should be lower.Thanks, but I also think you and Silver need to be up there with e and Chairs at the top.
hi.
I really dislike e's last-minute non hammer. Suuuuuuper scummy.
Right now I'm thinking e/chairs/schadd/someone.
he's pretty high up there on my ranking for the last "someone"hi.
I really dislike e's last-minute non hammer. Suuuuuuper scummy.
Right now I'm thinking e/chairs/schadd/someone.
Yeah, e was all over the place running interference and confusing the issue at the end of the previous day phase by throwing votes around. RR was the one who could really have hammered, though :-(
The no-lynch yesterday was scum's doing.
The no-lynch yesterday was scum's doing.
I completely disagree. I am convinced the lynch did not happen because chairs is town and two fellow townies were very hesitant to lynch him because he really wasn't that scummy at all.
Man, you're really out there aren't you 2.7?
I think scum were all on that wagon.
I do think today is a great day for some reads lists. I am really seeing this game form two groups. A [silverspawn, chairs, RR, e] and [SpaceAnemone, J Reggie, schadd, haddock] groups. Mail-mi is just kind of there in the middle. The swing vote, of you will. I think scum are almost entirely (not sure, mail-mi could be scum I guess) in that second group.
I do want to know what other people are thinking though as far as town/scum. Obviously I am not 100% confident about either group, but this is just what I am seeing
Scum talked n1 and decided to be careful. Tread lightly. But then last night they decided to go all out and try to overpower and catch town off guard.
I'm pretty darn scummy on SA and chairs
No. I'm sorry, that just makes virtually no sense to me. If you're town then you have good intentions, but I just don't see what you seeI'm pretty darn scummy on SA and chairs
Both me and Chairs? You seriously think we could both be scum? :-P He's my number one frustration in this game because he's been so evasive and unhelpful!
Let me talk you through my fabulous D2 scum-catching plan, in case that sort of escaped you. With the events of N1, and the two town deaths, we know that scum was coordinating in the night in order to maximise their kills, e.g. by using a weapon like the minigun to mirror damage from their faction damage weapon and other air-strike-like things they may have had in their arsenal.
Now, it's clear that the order of play is really important, because the damage is only mirrored by a minigun if that's fired before the faction weapon, for instance. So my theory is that scums will have felt some pressure to claim their weaponry was used in an order different to what they actually did, especially with the minigun, and especially after Chairs tried to mis-represent it by claiming it as a sort of vig weapon when it most definitely wasn't.
When I first suggested claiming actions and turn order, I was really careful not to talk about the bids. That was because because I didn't want to give away to the scums that the order they claimed was something we could then verify. When I started the verification process after people had claimed the turn order, you'll notice that the main scum candidates got uncomfortable and uncooperative with continuing to talk about claims and bids. Notice there is no need to be protective of a used-up bid number unless someone's got reason to hide because they lied about their place in the turn order. And why would they lie about that if they don't have something scummy to hide?
It would have been best if we'd been able to analyse everything from N1 while it was till D2, because now it's D3 the scums have had another chance to talk, and may have straightened things out between them, talked about bids etc. They'll almost certainly not risk claiming out of turn for N2 actions now they realise it's possible to get caught out. That's why I want to go back to the N1 actions and pin the to their already-claimed order, and that's specifically why I want to start with Chairs.
Does that make sense to you if I lay it out like that? This question is mostly for RR, but I have a feeling there's some hesitance from town about this plan too, which is really stumping me.
Who claimed to not have done anything N1? Was it haddock?Might've been me? I effectively did nothing
Who claimed to not have done anything N1? Was it haddock?
Boo pronouns
I'm towny on Silverspawn.
I'm only a little scummy on schadd, J Reggie and 2.7.
I'm reasonably scummy on Haddock
I'm pretty darn scummy on SA and chairs
So it's like: SA < chairs << Haddock <<<< 2.7 << J Reggie = schadd <<<< SS
I'm towny on Silverspawn.
I'm only a little scummy on schadd, J Reggie and 2.7.
I'm reasonably scummy on Haddock
I'm pretty darn scummy on SA and chairs
So it's like: SA < chairs << Haddock <<<< 2.7 << J Reggie = schadd <<<< SS
*cries*
What, are my reads that bad?I'm towny on Silverspawn.
I'm only a little scummy on schadd, J Reggie and 2.7.
I'm reasonably scummy on Haddock
I'm pretty darn scummy on SA and chairs
So it's like: SA < chairs << Haddock <<<< 2.7 << J Reggie = schadd <<<< SS
*cries*
What, are my reads that bad?I'm towny on Silverspawn.
I'm only a little scummy on schadd, J Reggie and 2.7.
I'm reasonably scummy on Haddock
I'm pretty darn scummy on SA and chairs
So it's like: SA < chairs << Haddock <<<< 2.7 << J Reggie = schadd <<<< SS
*cries*
What, are my reads that bad?I'm towny on Silverspawn.
I'm only a little scummy on schadd, J Reggie and 2.7.
I'm reasonably scummy on Haddock
I'm pretty darn scummy on SA and chairs
So it's like: SA < chairs << Haddock <<<< 2.7 << J Reggie = schadd <<<< SS
*cries*
no, you forgot to include mail-mi
Who claimed to not have done anything N1? Was it haddock?Lots of people. Me included, I did nothing N1.
I do think today is a great day for some reads lists. I am really seeing this game form two groups. A [silverspawn, chairs, RR, e] and [SpaceAnemone, J Reggie, schadd, haddock] groups. Mail-mi is just kind of there in the middle. The swing vote, of you will. I think scum are almost entirely (not sure, mail-mi could be scum I guess) in that second group.Translation:
Ok, here's a claim order:I think someone else should at least propose a different claiming order or comment on this before we claim, unless everyone but me is town reading J Reggie.
e
chairs
RR
s c h a d d
Mail-mi
Haddock
ss
s p a c e a n e m o n e
J r e g g i e
Ok, here's a claim order:I think someone else should at least propose a different claiming order or comment on this before we claim, unless everyone but me is town reading J Reggie.
e
chairs
RR
s c h a d d
Mail-mi
Haddock
ss
s p a c e a n e m o n e
J r e g g i e
Feeling towny on e.
vote: SA.
I don't bid for my position, I just pick one, which I -thought- I mentioned yesterDay.
Ok, here's a claim order:I think someone else should at least propose a different claiming order or comment on this before we claim, unless everyone but me is town reading J Reggie.
e
chairs
RR
s c h a d d
Mail-mi
Haddock
ss
s p a c e a n e m o n e
J r e g g i e
@Silver, would you like to claim the number you bid for your N1 position next?
| Order 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | e's list SpaceAnemone Chairs Schadd Roadrunner Myself J Reggie Haddock Mail-mi silverspawn | SpaceAnemone's List Chairs e Haddock Silver RR Schadd Mail-mi J Reggie SA | J Reggie's List e chairs RR schadd Mail-mi Haddock ss spaceanemone J reggie |
| Roadrunner7671 SpaceAnemone J Reggie silverspawn chairs Ghacob 2.71828..... mail-mi schadd | 12 18 23 20 5 16 8 20 13 |
@Silver, would you like to claim the number you bid for your N1 position next?
14
or is everyone just asleep and I am being plagued by the "West Coast US No One Is Awake When You Are" curse.
So we have a claim order of:Mm, OK. This claim is basically fine. Claiming to have missed is always a bit suspect, but I'm still willing to give e the benefit of the doubt here, in spite of all the splurge against him recently.
chairs
e
RR
schadd
Haddock
SpaceAnemone
mail-mi/silverspawn
J Reggie
We really should just get this done so that we can move on. I am so close to the top and am probably going to be busy all day that if I wait to claim I will just unnecessarily delay the game. So I will just claim now.
Recap from N1: I bid 11 and went 4th in turn order and used air strike to hit Haddock, J Reggie, and schadd for 30 damage each. No other actions
N2: I bid 4 and went 4th in turn order. I picked up two crates and then attempted to use a weapon. I asked for a health crate and then a random crate of whatever was left. I got the health and I got a new weapon. I then attempted to grenade schadd for 40 damage. It has 90 accuracy, but due to my previous actions that accuracy lowered and I failed to hit my target. I was definitely targeted by people last night because my health has definitely taken a turn for the worse, but I will not claim what I am actually at right now.
RR's turn. Let's hurry this up.
You are filled with optimism. I don't expect a claim from chairs for quite a while, just because he's slow. I'd love to be proven wrong.RR's turn. Let's hurry this up.
RR and Chairs -- e claimed out of turn in order to push things along, so Chairs is now already overdue.
Oh, and I'm not doing great health-wise, to say the least.
Why, is there some scum power that lets you get weapons I've shot at you, but only if you know what you're hit with?
how much you think you managed to damage me by.That's a good question to ask. I definitely want that answered. Should I claim before or after chairs answers that?
Wait, I don't think chairs claimed which weapon he used.Exactly, he didn't claim any details about his action! Weapon names and effects are things we should absolutely state as part of our initial claims, like we did in D2 for the N1 actions.
It might be useful for SpaceAnemone to claim how much health they lost.I doubt that... it seems likely I was targeted by more than one person, and I'd rather keep my delta-health to myself till I can use it to verify what other people claim.
Chairs should claim how much damage he did then SA should report how much damage they tookChairs should name his weapon and say how much damage it did because that's part of claiming in the first place.
Chairs should name his weapon and say how much damage it did because that's part of claiming in the first place.Agreed. Chairs?
*lose. I meant as in avoid mod punishment
Having space claim his health to try to trap chairs with his claim is not so good I think.Sigh.
Having space claim his health to try to trap chairs with his claim is not so good I think.Sigh.
Space is a they.
Space is a they.
Space is a they.
Space is a they.
Space is a they.
Space is a they.
Space is a they.
Get the picture yet? This is not difficult, people.
I'm here to claim. Been super busy, but this is my last week of work so I should be good after sunday.
I was 8th in the turn order, but I decided to risk collecting a crate anyway. I got one.
Then I shot a Longbow. It has 100% accuracy, but because I collected a crate it went down, and missed. (dang rngs). It does 15 damage to two players, and then the next night opens a Neighborhood for the three of us (me, and the two players I targeted) to chat in. I don't know if the neighborhood will still be created (I'm 95% sure it won't) and I'm gonna ask faust if it will. For now though I won't claim who I shot.
Having space claim his health to try to trap chairs with his claim is not so good I think.Sigh.
Space is a they.
Space is a they.
Space is a they.
Space is a they.
Space is a they.
Space is a they.
Space is a they.
Get the picture yet? This is not difficult, people.
Thanks, Haddock!
As for e's assertion that I shouldn't withhold my delta-health till after all the other claims, it could be a bit more more believable if he gave any justification whatsoever...
The reason I think you should withhold it is because it is possible multiple people targeted you and your change in health could be different than what the attack does. Although to be honest, i guess claiming now or at the end wouldn't change anything. My knee jerk reaction was to wait though
The reason I think you should withhold it is because it is possible multiple people targeted you and your change in health could be different than what the attack does. Although to be honest, i guess claiming now or at the end wouldn't change anything. My knee jerk reaction was to wait though
Huh.. you might actually be agreeing with me, though I'd read your previous post as disagreement! Anyway, yes, I was trying to make the point that my delta-heath is the sum over all actions that affect me, so I'm inclined to wait too.
It's deathly quiet, and time is ticking by :-( The day ends on Tuesday.
RR and Schadd are the next two to claim.
I really don't like Chairs' hedgy "iirc" when stating the amount of damage his weapon did, so in parallel with the next claims, I think he should look in on his QT to remind himself and report back...
You of all people have no right whatsoever to tell other people they have a bad attitude to mafia games.It's deathly quiet, and time is ticking by :-( The day ends on Tuesday.
RR and Schadd are the next two to claim.
I really don't like Chairs' hedgy "iirc" when stating the amount of damage his weapon did, so in parallel with the next claims, I think he should look in on his QT to remind himself and report back...
And I don't like your attitude this whole game so you can stuff yourself.
It's 35, I checked, go shove it.
It's deathly quiet, and time is ticking by :-( The day ends on Tuesday.
RR and Schadd are the next two to claim.
I really don't like Chairs' hedgy "iirc" when stating the amount of damage his weapon did, so in parallel with the next claims, I think he should look in on his QT to remind himself and report back...
And I don't like your attitude this whole game so you can stuff yourself.
It's 35, I checked, go shove it.
RR and Schadd are the next two to claim.
i c l a i m e d a l r e a d y (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16239.msg651262#msg651262)
RR and Schadd are the next two to claim.i c l a i m e d a l r e a d y (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16239.msg651262#msg651262)
So the run-down:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11Schadd
Dylan/EFHW
mail-mi
e
silverspawn
chairs
J Reggie
Dylan/EFHW
SpaceAnemone
Haddock
RRBanana Bomb healed e for 30 and 3 random others for 10
??
air strike, targeted schadd, silver, and SA for 30 damage each
air strike, targeted schadd, Haddock, and J Reggie for 30 damage each
None
Minigun, which hit Dylan and missed a couple of others
Investigative pistol: said that Mail-mi had used a damage weapon
??
Activated mine
None
Banana Bomb on gkrieg, missed
Okay, so I went 9th again... I apparently suck at the bidding step!
I collected a random crate, and received a new weapon. That part was good, but then it goes a little downhill from there...
I also used my minigun, targeting e, Chairs and JR, which was utterly pointless. It would have been marginally less stupid if I'd had two people after me in the turn order like I'd thought at the time... I was kind of ill and not thinking quite straight :-P My intention had been to amplify damage amongst the scums (Chairs and e) and spread it from the most likely town target (which I thought was JR, though I'd have targeted myself if that had been allowed) back onto the scums, especially since I thought the big-damage stuff by scums was more likely to be done later in the turn order, since they'd use their earlier shots setting up the damage-forking actions. Anyway, I figured I'd better claim the idiocy part of my turn just in case anyone had any investigative powers in the night... I'm not exactly feeling clever about it :-(
Since it only affects damage after the use, and, well, you went lastoh. pfff
So the run-down:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11Schadd
Dylan/EFHW
mail-mi
e
silverspawn
chairs
J Reggie
Dylan/EFHW
SpaceAnemone
Haddock
RRBanana Bomb healed e for 30 and 3 random others for 10
??
air strike, targeted schadd, silver, and SA for 30 damage each
air strike, targeted schadd, Haddock, and J Reggie for 30 damage each
None
Minigun, which hit Dylan and missed a couple of others
Investigative pistol: said that Mail-mi had used a damage weapon
??
Activated mine
None
Banana Bomb on gkrieg, missed
So if I am reading this correctly, chairs could not have hit one and missed others. Rather, using minigun distributed damage done to EFHW, Dylan, and [insert third target, don't remember]. Which to me reads that at least one of {j Reggie, SpaceAnemone, Haddock, or RR} is scum because in order to kill both efhw and Dylan, scum most likely had to have that 50 damage from the minigun shared between efhw and dylan.
Is J Reggie better than Haddock or equal to? I can't tell
I'll have to take another look at J Reggie I guess.Is J Reggie better than Haddock or equal to? I can't tell
Either works. I am just as comfortable lynching either of them, slight preference to J Reggie right now. Could easily go haddock
Do you want me to claim?
Do you want me to claim?
Okay, so I went 9th again... I apparently suck at the bidding step!
I collected a random crate, and received a new weapon. That part was good, but then it goes a little downhill from there...
I also used my minigun, targeting e, Chairs and JR, which was utterly pointless. It would have been marginally less stupid if I'd had two people after me in the turn order like I'd thought at the time... I was kind of ill and not thinking quite straight :-P My intention had been to amplify damage amongst the scums (Chairs and e) and spread it from the most likely town target (which I thought was JR, though I'd have targeted myself if that had been allowed) back onto the scums, especially since I thought the big-damage stuff by scums was more likely to be done later in the turn order, since they'd use their earlier shots setting up the damage-forking actions. Anyway, I figured I'd better claim the idiocy part of my turn just in case anyone had any investigative powers in the night... I'm not exactly feeling clever about it :-(
Which also, if I am actually correct about minigun, means this use was, as you said, a waste. Since it only affects damage after the use, and, well, you went last
So the run-down:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11Schadd
Dylan/EFHW
mail-mi
e
silverspawn
chairs
J Reggie
Dylan/EFHW
SpaceAnemone
Haddock
RRBanana Bomb healed e for 30 and 3 random others for 10
??
air strike, targeted schadd, silver, and SA for 30 damage each
air strike, targeted schadd, Haddock, and J Reggie for 30 damage each
None
Minigun, which hit Dylan and missed a couple of others
Investigative pistol: said that Mail-mi had used a damage weapon
??
Activated mine
None
Banana Bomb on gkrieg, missed
So if I am reading this correctly, chairs could not have hit one and missed others. Rather, using minigun distributed damage done to EFHW, Dylan, and [insert third target, don't remember]. Which to me reads that at least one of {j Reggie, SpaceAnemone, Haddock, or RR} is scum because in order to kill both efhw and Dylan, scum most likely had to have that 50 damage from the minigun shared between efhw and dylan.
So the run-down:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11Schadd
Dylan/EFHW
mail-mi
e
silverspawn
chairs
J Reggie
Dylan/EFHW
SpaceAnemone
Haddock
RRBanana Bomb healed e for 30 and 3 random others for 10
??
air strike, targeted schadd, silver, and SA for 30 damage each
air strike, targeted schadd, Haddock, and J Reggie for 30 damage each
None
Minigun, which hit Dylan and missed a couple of others
Investigative pistol: said that Mail-mi had used a damage weapon
??
Activated mine
None
Banana Bomb on gkrieg, missed
So if I am reading this correctly, chairs could not have hit one and missed others. Rather, using minigun distributed damage done to EFHW, Dylan, and [insert third target, don't remember]. Which to me reads that at least one of {j Reggie, SpaceAnemone, Haddock, or RR} is scum because in order to kill both efhw and Dylan, scum most likely had to have that 50 damage from the minigun shared between efhw and dylan.
Ah, as I said in my other post, yes, Chairs can definitely have hit one and missed others.
I also think that in the scenario you describe, Chairs has a vanishingly small chance of not being scum: what would the town motivation for doing that? The scum motivation is clear: scums can share all their weapons between them, and pick the weapon order that maximises damage to town, so someone using the minigun would logically be put earlier in the turn order than the person using the faction shot. I'm definitely not happy with having him dropped from today's lynch pool.
I decided not to do the IC thing for a few reasons: I wanted to hit e (there was some post where SpaceAnemone said we should focus on killing scum at night instead of doing the IC thing), and it has potentially dangerous side effects. If we lynch scum today I will do it.
You are seriously asking what town motivation chairs had for using minigun? For real? You used minigun, therefore you are scum.
But actually, your point is very valid. Chairs would NOT be scum, because he was in the middle of the order on N1.My thinking before is that he's likely to be 2nd placed out of the four scums, with one scum doing something towny-looking for cover, like giving health.
Since scum share weapons, scum!chairs would not have used minigun, but would have let someone earlier in the order use it.Unless scum didn't want to spread health round more or something.
Actually, that is the case for you as well. Minigun would have been shared to the top of the list. No way scum!anemone is the one to use it so late in the orderThis much is true!
You are seriously asking what town motivation chairs had for using minigun? For real? You used minigun, therefore you are scum.
I justified my use of it. Chairs actively obscured his use of it by making out it was a vig weapon.But actually, your point is very valid. Chairs would NOT be scum, because he was in the middle of the order on N1.My thinking before is that he's likely to be 2nd placed out of the four scums, with one scum doing something towny-looking for cover, like giving health.Since scum share weapons, scum!chairs would not have used minigun, but would have let someone earlier in the order use it.Unless scum didn't want to spread health round more or something.Actually, that is the case for you as well. Minigun would have been shared to the top of the list. No way scum!anemone is the one to use it so late in the orderThis much is true!
But also, the whole minigun point to narrow the lynch pool is moot since it only hit one player
You are seriously asking what town motivation chairs had for using minigun? For real? You used minigun, therefore you are scum.
I justified my use of it. Chairs actively obscured his use of it by making out it was a vig weapon.But actually, your point is very valid. Chairs would NOT be scum, because he was in the middle of the order on N1.My thinking before is that he's likely to be 2nd placed out of the four scums, with one scum doing something towny-looking for cover, like giving health.Since scum share weapons, scum!chairs would not have used minigun, but would have let someone earlier in the order use it.Unless scum didn't want to spread health round more or something.Actually, that is the case for you as well. Minigun would have been shared to the top of the list. No way scum!anemone is the one to use it so late in the orderThis much is true!
This is such a double standard over the use of the minigun
Also, has everyone claimed?
I don't think we need to get into a mass claim of all weapons yet, which is where that last post seems to be leading.
Also, has everyone claimed?
Only silverspawn and you are left I think.
I'm here to claim. Been super busy, but this is my last week of work so I should be good after sunday.
I was 8th in the turn order, but I decided to risk collecting a crate anyway. I got one.
Then I shot a Longbow. It has 100% accuracy, but because I collected a crate it went down, and missed. (dang rngs). It does 15 damage to two players, and then the next night opens a Neighborhood for the three of us (me, and the two players I targeted) to chat in. I don't know if the neighborhood will still be created (I'm 95% sure it won't) and I'm gonna ask faust if it will. For now though I won't claim who I shot.
1st: chairs, homing missiled sa, 35 damageit was e and schadd.
2nd: schadd, cluster bombed chairs, 30 damage + 15 to adjacents in turn order
3rd: roadrunner, banana bombed an unspecified target, it hit
4nd: e, tried to grenade schadd and missed [serves you right 3:< ]
5st: battle axed schadd [:( !!!] which halves health
6th: ss, has not claimed
7eventh: j regg, battle axed e
8th: mail-mi, used longbow (15 damage, opens a neighborhood) on two yet unspecified targets, missed
9th: spaceanemone, used minigun (copies all actions targeting one person to the others hit) on e, chairs, jr
aw crud, that sounds like a nice neighborhood (and also i would have totally died if it hit)
Autocorrectaw crud, that sounds like a nice neighborhood (and also i would have totally died if it hit)
Yeah, I am looking back at all the claimed his on you. Very resilient, but hanging on by a thread
Also, unless silverspawn did something to me, my health just does not add up right now
@Mail-mi, what was your bid N1?
D'oh... Does that mean you did damage to yourself as well because of the ordering?so, it seems as though that didn't happen. i was at 40 health, i am at 20 health rn, and there isn't an explanation for why i don't have a weird ones digit; in theory i did 15 damage to myself and then got it halved, which should mean that i would be at like 12.5 (does battle axe round?)
@RR: Can you claim your target from N2 too now please?If more people then just you care/ask me to then yes, but I don't really want to.
@RR: Can you claim your target from N2 too now please?If more people then just you care/ask me to then yes, but I don't really want to.
@RR: Can you claim your target from N2 too now please?If more people then just you care/ask me to then yes, but I don't really want to.
@RR: Can you claim your target from N2 too now please?If more people then just you care/ask me to then yes, but I don't really want to.
Do it.
Fine. I targeted e. Don't lynch me
Why would I not lynch you for healing scum?Because he's probably town
Wasn't the plan to kill you during the night since everyone thought you were obv!scum?Fine. I targeted e. Don't lynch me
Ok, now my health really doesn't add up.
Bottom line: scum had to have targeted me with their NK. I have way too little health otherwise.
aw crud, that sounds like a nice neighborhood (and also i would have totally died if it hit)
1st: chairs, homing missiled sa, 35 damage
2nd: schadd, cluster bombed chairs, 30 damage + 15 to adjacents in turn order
3rd: roadrunner, banana bombed an unspecified target, it hit
4nd: e, tried to grenade schadd and missed [serves you right 3:< ]
5st: haddock battle axed schadd [ :( !!!] which halves health
6th: ss, has not claimed
7eventh: j regg, battle axed e
8th: mail-mi, used longbow (15 damage, opens a neighborhood) on e and schadd, missed
9th: spaceanemone, used minigun (copies all actions targeting one person to the others hit) on e, chairs, jr
mail-mi edit + fixed haddock
Wasn't the plan to kill you during the night since everyone thought you were obv!scum?Fine. I targeted e. Don't lynch me
Ok, now my health really doesn't add up.
Bottom line: scum had to have targeted me with their NK. I have way too little health otherwise.
I... kinda think e's Town here, folks.
Not so crazy theory: J Reggie is scum
Obviously there's no way to prove your health, but I can believe that scum would target you to make sure you'd die
If that was the case I really see virtually no reason as to why you wouldn't do thatNot so crazy theory: J Reggie is scum
It may not be crazy but it's certainly wrong.
Seriously, I should not be on the lynch table. As I've said I can IC myself.
Not so crazy theory: J Reggie is scum
It may not be crazy but it's certainly wrong.
Seriously, I should not be on the lynch table. As I've said I can IC myself.
Not so crazy theory: J Reggie is scum
It may not be crazy but it's certainly wrong.
Seriously, I should not be on the lynch table. As I've said I can IC myself.
But you didn't. And you have said that since d1 and it is d3. At some point we quit believing you.
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends November 8 at 12:30 pm forum time.
is there a reason you can't tell us how it works? and also how the hell do you have any strong townreads this game
Request for a prod on SilverProd sent.
Little over 24 hours to go.
I really don't have much to add at this point
@Silver: would you care to come in and full-claim you N2 action and bid now, before we go too far chasing our tails trying to iron out all the health mismatches with incomplete information.
@RR: Can you claim your target from N2 too now please?
@e - who should I vote for?
@Silver: would you care to come in and full-claim you N2 action and bid now, before we go too far chasing our tails trying to iron out all the health mismatches with incomplete information.
@RR: Can you claim your target from N2 too now please?
I collected a crate and used a damaging weapon on chairs. He took 35 damage.
Let's not lynch chairs. Then all my effort has been inconsequential!
I am very suspicious of both of schadd's claims.
First he heals me, but I have no indication of any actions preformed against me N1.
Then he targets chairs, but then doesn't take damage like he should.
His claims just don't add up.
Unless redirection?
So, SpaceAnemone, are you still trying to lynch me or chairs today?
Bleh. E is leaning townier again. I just don't know any more.
Would not lynch:
Space.
Would prefer not to lynch:
Reggie, e, silver.
Meh:
RR
Want to lynch:
Chairs, schadd, mail-mi
@e my Banana bomb probably couldn't put you up to 130 health, I think it just gives health back. I don't think you can exceed your maximum health with it. I don't know if that makes your numbers add up
I'm mo longer following you@e my Banana bomb probably couldn't put you up to 130 health, I think it just gives health back. I don't think you can exceed your maximum health with it. I don't know if that makes your numbers add up
Which means schadd's use of the banana bomb n1 was as effective as SpaceAnemone's use of the minigun last night
I am good with
Vote: schadd
I'm mo longer following you@e my Banana bomb probably couldn't put you up to 130 health, I think it just gives health back. I don't think you can exceed your maximum health with it. I don't know if that makes your numbers add up
Which means schadd's use of the banana bomb n1 was as effective as SpaceAnemone's use of the minigun last night
I am good with
Vote: schadd
Come on e and RR. One of you has to want tons of town cred for hammering your partner!
I also think Schadd is scummy.
@e my Banana bomb probably couldn't put you up to 130 health, I think it just gives health back. I don't think you can exceed your maximum health with it. I don't know if that makes your numbers add up
I also think Schadd is scummy.
i have pretty much this same list except replace me with you and uh kick j reggie up to the mid tierI also think Schadd is scummy.
He's not someone I'll vote for today.
Want to lynch: Chairs, e, RR.
Will happily consider: Haddock, Silver.
Rather not: Mail-mi, Schadd, J Reggie.
I don't think the health discussions are all that useful for helping us catch scum, because there's no way to verify whet anyone says about their own health. It looks towny to claim low health because you can claim you think the scums targeted you with their faction weapon... but scums can claim low health just as easily as badly-hit town.
Request for a prod on Silver -- he's been gone from here for over 24 hours, while posting plenty in RSP :-(
Let's not lynch chairs. Then all my effort has been inconsequential!
I feel that's a very weak argument. And "all my effort" coming from you is really laughable given how much you've totally neglected this game :-(
Which I kind of still think. I want him killed but I feel like we're wasting a lynch that we could use on someone with high health.
SpaceAnemone used minigun very last in turn order, and it only affects turns taken after their turn. Thus, uselessIf this continues I would personally like to see some mod action taken against e. This is a multiple offence. An apology from e wouldn't go amiss either.
That's different. RSP usually doesn't require thought because I'm only reading off conclusions I already have. Posting there is part of mental relaxation in between pieces of work. Posting in mafia is the opposite, that requires active thought and is exhausting (at least if the post is substantive).
Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.
i have pretty much this same list except replace me with you and uh kick j reggie up to the mid tierI also think Schadd is scummy.
He's not someone I'll vote for today.
Want to lynch: Chairs, e, RR.
Will happily consider: Haddock, Silver.
Rather not: Mail-mi, Schadd, J Reggie.
I could hammer chairs, maybe
That's different. RSP usually doesn't require thought because I'm only reading off conclusions I already have. Posting there is part of mental relaxation in between pieces of work. Posting in mafia is the opposite, that requires active thought and is exhausting (at least if the post is substantive).Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.
That's different. RSP usually doesn't require thought because I'm only reading off conclusions I already have. Posting there is part of mental relaxation in between pieces of work. Posting in mafia is the opposite, that requires active thought and is exhausting (at least if the post is substantive).Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.
My very first game I made it my personal mission to lynch archetype due to his inactivity. I made several of the same points in that game. He ended up being town.
After that I learned to be more lenient against lurkers. It still hurts town, but it doesn't mean that person is scum.
Basically, arguments condemning lurkers for the sake of their lurking are detrimental to the game in my opinion. I like to encourage activity rather than condemning for inactivity. Life happens sometimes. Mafia is not always a priority
Space might be willing to let this go, but I am not.That's different. RSP usually doesn't require thought because I'm only reading off conclusions I already have. Posting there is part of mental relaxation in between pieces of work. Posting in mafia is the opposite, that requires active thought and is exhausting (at least if the post is substantive).Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.
My very first game I made it my personal mission to lynch archetype due to his inactivity. I made several of the same points in that game. He ended up being town.
After that I learned to be more lenient against lurkers. It still hurts town, but it doesn't mean that person is scum.
Basically, arguments condemning lurkers for the sake of their lurking are detrimental to the game in my opinion. I like to encourage activity rather than condemning for inactivity. Life happens sometimes. Mafia is not always a priority
SpaceAnemone used minigun very last in turn order, and it only affects turns taken after their turn. Thus, uselessIf this continues I would personally like to see some mod action taken against e. This is a multiple offence. An apology from e wouldn't go amiss either.
Phone post, all I have to say til I get to a pc is the above.
Hmm. It's not quite the apology to Space I'd like to see, but OK.SpaceAnemone used minigun very last in turn order, and it only affects turns taken after their turn. Thus, uselessIf this continues I would personally like to see some mod action taken against e. This is a multiple offence. An apology from e wouldn't go amiss either.
Phone post, all I have to say til I get to a pc is the above.
Thanks you for continuing to correct me. My stream of conscious writing currently still reverts to "he" but I will continue to seek to improve my pronoun usage.
Still more than happy to see a chairs lynch. I have a mild preference for schadd, but that doesn't really seem to be a thing.
Still more than happy to see a chairs lynch. I have a mild preference for schadd, but that doesn't really seem to be a thing.
I think a schadd lynch could be a thing. Several people have mentioned an inclination toward lynching him. We just need people to vote
OK, I'll make the dive.
vote: schadd
OK, I'll make the dive.
vote: schadd
oh jeez
vote: chairs
though i have felt yucky about e since the end of yesterDay and nobody has really been paying him much mind methinks
It might be that a schadd wagon is appearing so he's voting out of self preservationoh jeez
vote: chairs
though i have felt yucky about e since the end of yesterDay and nobody has really been paying him much mind methinks
Hm.
I think chairs/Schadd are definitely scumbuddies. He only comes in to vote chairs AFTER chairs is off L-1
It might be that a schadd wagon is appearing so he's voting out of self preservationoh jeez
vote: chairs
though i have felt yucky about e since the end of yesterDay and nobody has really been paying him much mind methinks
Hm.
I think chairs/Schadd are definitely scumbuddies. He only comes in to vote chairs AFTER chairs is off L-1
Which I kind of still think. I want him killed but I feel like we're wasting a lynch that we could use on someone with high health.
I can understand that, but it's possible that several scums are on low health, and the benefit of killing a top scum read now is that they don't get to mess with us in the night. That's particularly effective for Chairs, because he can guarantee himself first place, meaning he gets to do damage before any towns-worms can do anything about it.
Which I kind of still think. I want him killed but I feel like we're wasting a lynch that we could use on someone with high health.
I can understand that, but it's possible that several scums are on low health, and the benefit of killing a top scum read now is that they don't get to mess with us in the night. That's particularly effective for Chairs, because he can guarantee himself first place, meaning he gets to do damage before any towns-worms can do anything about it.
mh, true.
Prediction: both Schadd and chairs are scum because it's been hard to lynch them.
Prediction: both Schadd and chairs are scum because it's been hard to lynch them.
Then switch over to chairs!
Prediction: both Schadd and chairs are scum because it's been hard to lynch them.
I won't be around later and messing around didn't work out before
I don't really like it but vote: chairs
I do too.We might be the only two townies
wait no you are obviously scum, scum.I don't like the way you're talking to me! vote: silverspawn
Crap.My thoughts exactly
we, of course, kill mail-mi because he is more difficult to kill with gunsI assume we're not going to try.
i'm gonna bid the thing that i said i was gonna bid. congrats to whoever shot j reggie, lol
vote: mail-mi
I'm gonna bid what I said I would bid.
vote: mail-mi
So we throw everything we have at ss?
I have more than 10 health
[/size]A player claims scum in a serious game when it's not yet over.
goddamnitA player claims scum in a serious game when it's not yet over.
wholeheartedly agree
Thinking about MVPs is just wondering who fucked up the least.
I really liked my gkrieg fake claim. I think Haddock deserves MVP over me but that might've been my best game ever.
Quote from: QTfaustwholeheartedly agree
Thinking about MVPs is just wondering who fucked up the least.
<3Quote from: QTfaustwholeheartedly agree
Thinking about MVPs is just wondering who fucked up the least.
I tried so hard, so am sad not to have done better :-(
You were the opponent I was scum-reading by far the least, though!
Haddock is the worm of the match!
You were probably town's MVP if I had to decide that.Quote from: QTfaustwholeheartedly agree
Thinking about MVPs is just wondering who fucked up the least.
I tried so hard, so am sad not to have done better :-(
You were the opponent I was scum-reading by far the least, though!
I have more to say at a later point I think, but for now let me just note that I really liked the way this setup turned out. There are swingy things, but it's so much that in the end it balances out. 4 scum is a lot, but it's much harder for them if everyone is a part-time vig. On another run I would probably nerf Uzi and Minigun.I'd be interested but I think scum had an edge here.
If there is any interest I think this setup can be run as an open game without any big issues.
Hi! I'm alive!No problem.
I was having a rough... while. No more big forum games for me for some time.
faust and Haddock, thank you so much for covering for me so quickly.
You were probably town's MVP if I had to decide that.Quote from: QTfaustwholeheartedly agree
Thinking about MVPs is just wondering who fucked up the least.
I tried so hard, so am sad not to have done better :-(
You were the opponent I was scum-reading by far the least, though!
Maybe this will be an end to overly complicated and scum biased setups for a while?
Mh, why did my laser sight not detect anyone?
Maybe this will be an end to overly complicated and scum biased setups for a while?
I don't think that is fair to town. Scum had overwhelming firepower and knew exactly who to hit. Town could not have coordinated because they didn't know who to target, and with so many scum any decision could easily be manipulated.
When town tried to lynch chairs, they didn't have enough town players and RR and Haddock were able to stall and get a no lynch. iirc, there were 9 players and 4 scum, so all 5 town would have had to have the correct scumread on chairs to get a lynch. That's unreasonable to expect.Funny story. I actually genuinely screwed up and miscalculated my timezone.
I had an incriminating result on you but I was killed before I could report it.When town tried to lynch chairs, they didn't have enough town players and RR and Haddock were able to stall and get a no lynch. iirc, there were 9 players and 4 scum, so all 5 town would have had to have the correct scumread on chairs to get a lynch. That's unreasonable to expect.Funny story. I actually genuinely screwed up and miscalculated my timezone.
Even if everyone had been on board, how would we have decided who to target at night? No one would know who to trust, and in any mafia game I've played where people have tried to coordinate, inevitably enough people do their own thing that the plans don't work out. Town was probably checked out because there was so little we could do. N1 in particular, our weapons were worse than useless since we had little idea who was scum, and then by Day 2 already 3 of us were dead. This was a rout.
When town tried to lynch chairs, they didn't have enough town players and RR and Haddock were able to stall and get a no lynch. iirc, there were 9 players and 4 scum, so all 5 town would have had to have the correct scumread on chairs to get a lynch. That's unreasonable to expect.Funny story. I actually genuinely screwed up and miscalculated my timezone.