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[MiX]

ok all can I get some chime in on the UB claim thing pleaseeee.

No like claim it out. Just what people think about it.

Unnecessary.

logic would be that no one can CC because if that happens we win.
if UB claims then we limit the field of players we have to look at by one more.

I don't NOT understand MiX and Yuma wanting to wait it out. I just feel like in this spot it would be better to do it now than later.

Having the UB claim now will mean a likely town win sooner, but having it wait is better in scenarios where we need that slight advantage in the long run. Each night the UB doesn't claim is a night where they might shoot another townie (instead of the UB) that could have been a potential mislynch.

But I have already claimed VT and don't really care either way. I am not claiming UB but I won't be outraged if the UB personally wants to claim. It is always the prerogative of the role to claim when they choose to do so.

I think we are just 2 sides of the same coin on this - which is fine. I think the risk of UB waiting is too high and you believe the reward is potentially high enough. That I can, still not like agree with, but at least get. The exactness of 5 players.. that I still don't get.

If the UB is at L-1, they can safely claim. That reminds me, ash, can you turn off your hammer to just after people claim VT? For example, Didds claimed VT D1, so they can't be UB, so that's fine, whereas everyone else can still be UB.

other then they could shoot the UB?
Downside of not being able to iso out the UB in terms of read backs. Which at this point, could be fairly important. Though to your point, discretion claim could come into play there.

We have eight alive.  The chance we'll need to iso out anyone is slim.  True random lynches still result in a win for town a lot, no?  Let's assume the NK is stopped every other night:

7 v 1, ML+NK
5 v 1, ML
4 v 1, ML+NK
2 v 1

That's three free mislynches before LYLO.  The chance we swing and miss four times in a row is small.  With no NKs, we get even more.  Even with NKs every night, we just NL that third ML to get to the same LYLO.

(This scenario-running is also clear evidence why not shooting is just a terrible idea by scum.)

So I'm not worried about anything.  I think only those I mentioned should claim.  Heck, they don't even need to if they don't want to and we STILL win based on our efforts.

(And by that I mean, we lynch MiX and win.)

Why in the world are you assuming scum will fail to NK again? There's no doctor, and if there is we win the game.

We probably win by lynching you, yuma and then me, yeah. But we can definitely lose, I have 3 scumreads compared to the 2 mislynches we can do (because I also have to defend myself).

[LaLight]

I literally laughed out loud, for a long time.  Amazing.

I caught up, saw a lot of talk about mafia not killing at night and no lynches and what not.  But let's just be real:

If what we thought to be true yesterday was true, there was no reason for mafia not to shoot last night.  If Dylan was honest in his claim, nothing could stop the shot.

Regardless of any other thought process, less living townies is a positive for mafia.  So, what are the possibilities we are working with today?

1. An unclaimed E, D, or B.  This would mean Dylan is the remaining scum, having planned an epic D3 with raptor.
2. Mafia shooting themselves, saved by BP.  MiX pointed out this option idea in thread.
3. Mafia forgot to shoot.
4. Mafia decided not to shoot.

I don't see any other possibilities.

Raptor's flip didn't change anything about the situation we knew about yesterday.  (On a side note, you all need to stop taking away my hammer opportunities.)  As I made the strong case against MiX yesterday, and that case did not hinge on his partner's identity, I of course still believe MiX is the remaining scum.  With the new information we have from the night and so far today, that's only solidified itself further.

Note: If Dylan is actually the final scum, that's a D5 lynch at the earliest.  What an incredibly play in general, and I will just say that the level of scum play since I returned has really increased (referencing HungerLL, of course).

In the case of #1 above, E or B should claim.  E sets up a 1v1 with Dylan again, and B caught scum.  D should remain hidden.
In the case of #2 above, MiX is scum, since who thinks of that?  MiX does, and can't help but admit it in thread.
In the case of #3 above, highly unlikely, but I guess technically possible?  I'm ignoring this for now.
In the case of #4 above, MiX is scum, since who thought that through completely?  MiX did, and couldn't help but admit it in thread.

So in 2 of the 3 possible scenarios (again, ignoring forgetfulness), MiX is the leader. 

Pushing no lynch is scummy.  This isn't 4 alive with 1 scum, no lynching to get to 3-person LYLO.  This is plenty of town alive to scumhunt, so why shut it down?  Who's doing that ? MiX.

Scream confirmation bias all you want.  Of course there's some of that.  Because I am convinced I am right, and I can't just set that aside to find some reason to defend my extremely strong scumread.  And the truth of the matter is, even if I were to somehow to be wrong, whatever.  We have plenty of time and plenty of mislynches to spend.

But I'm not wrong.  I will eat a hat if I'm wrong.

vote: MiX

CONFIRMATION BIAAAAAAAAS!

Jokes aside, I can repeat this one more time: just because I said what scum would say, doesn't mean scum said something. I can indeed be the only person that could've scumslipped, but it doesn't mean I did. Your case is just "here's what scum would say, MiX said it, therefore MiX is scum" when you're forgetting about the fact that scum doesn't have to say it. They don't need to say anything, they can play it cool. I wouldn't, yes, because I know that as town I say it, but again, I'm not scum, so that would have to come from the bias of thinking I'm scum in the first place.

I want no lynch because scum doesn't want no lynch. I'm not giving scum what they want, so I'm willing to go back to status quo.

On other scumreads, since no one wants to no lynch, I guess I should say yuma or ash are scum IMO, I don't think LL or Didds would think of not NKing.

i thought of no nking on the last night of hunger games, don't put that above me.

[yuma]

I want to vote MiX just so I can be right about something for once this game. But I think I like the lalight vote more

[yuma]

And I wouldn't no kill as mafia. Boring!!!!!

[MiX]

And I wouldn't no kill as mafia. Boring!!!!!

Hmmmm okay then, let's play this game: who would?

[yuma]

And I wouldn't no kill as mafia. Boring!!!!!

Hmmmm okay then, let's play this game: who would?

That sounds like a hard game.

[yuma]

Especially when there is so much better info to go off than speculation about what an unknown person would do at night.

Basically the no kill at night made up for the no lynch so we are back to where we should be in the game. Going into a no lynch or trying to figure out who is mafia based off that is wasting all the info already generated from two successful lunches. It isn't something I am interested in.

[MiX]

Especially when there is so much better info to go off than speculation about what an unknown person would do at night.

Basically the no kill at night made up for the no lynch so we are back to where we should be in the game. Going into a no lynch or trying to figure out who is mafia based off that is wasting all the info already generated from two successful lunches. It isn't something I am interested in.

Town answer. My problem with you is you've only pushed town and defended scum at every opportunity, but everything independent of association is towny.

Will anyone lynch ash? Because I think he's most likely to be scum, but I prefer to no lynch. I understand your thought process, and I would agree with you, if it weren't what scum wanted to do. No NK can only lead to either no lynch, which puts the ball in their court again, or a lynch, which is different from how it could be, which means scum wants to lynch with 8 people alive. Maybe they're wrong, sure, but I don't want to give scum the option to choose how many people are alive. Which I suppose we can lock them into killing twice if we lynch twice now, but then we might've rewarded their play of no NK N3, which I don't really want to.

[yuma]

I dont think ash is scum

[scolapasta]

I guess I'm not really understanding the logic for no NK. Can anyone explain why mafia would do that?

To me it just gives us an extra lynch to catch them.

Oh wait, maybe it doesn't (I'll still post this, in case this is wrong).

With 8 left, we lynch 1, then NK, 6 left, we lynch 2, then NK, 4 left, we lynch 3, then NK, 2 left, they win.
With 7 left, we lynch 1, then NK, 5 left, we lynch 2, then NK, 3 left, we lynch 3, 2 left, they win.

So, in that sense, it's still 3 days to catch them either way. Is that it?

If we no lynch, what's to stop them from just no NK again and then how would we actually end such a stalemate? (as mod pointed out there's no such stalemate breaking rule)

[yuma]

If we could force them to kill it would be worth exploring. But it is still boring. But we dont. But makes sense within the framework of the game. You cant force someone to take an action. Stalemate is lame. vote: lalight

[Swowl]

My vote was not correctly formatted from before.

Vote: LaLight

[Dylan32]

I guess I'm not really understanding the logic for no NK. Can anyone explain why mafia would do that?

To me it just gives us an extra lynch to catch them.

Oh wait, maybe it doesn't (I'll still post this, in case this is wrong).

With 8 left, we lynch 1, then NK, 6 left, we lynch 2, then NK, 4 left, we lynch 3, then NK, 2 left, they win.
With 7 left, we lynch 1, then NK, 5 left, we lynch 2, then NK, 3 left, we lynch 3, 2 left, they win.

So, in that sense, it's still 3 days to catch them either way. Is that it?

If we no lynch, what's to stop them from just no NK again and then how would we actually end such a stalemate? (as mod pointed out there's no such stalemate breaking rule)

Ask yourself this. Would you rather try to get yourself and 2 other town on the same wagon to correctly lynch scum, or you and one other person?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote Count 4.1

LaLight (3): WestCoastDidds, yuma, DatSwan
MiX (2): LaLight, ashersky

No Lynch (1): MiX

Not Voting (2): Dylan32, scolapasta

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day Four ends at 5 pm forum time May 2nd.

[LaLight]

i am so sure mix is scum, so if i had a chance, I'd fake claim a cop having guilty on him

[MiX]

i am so sure mix is scum, so if i had a chance, I'd fake claim a cop having guilty on him

I have no idea how I can be scumread while voting for scum literally every day and pushing scum at every opportunity.

If you were town, you would be considering that ash could be scum.

Willing to hammer LL, but I really don't want to lynch today. If we lynch, and scum decided to no NK when there's 4 ppl alive, technically town will be the one that stopped to use their faction kill first. I'm not giving scum the opportunity to say we're the ones that stalled the game.

[yuma]

I'm not giving scum the opportunity to say we're the ones that stalled the game.

Tell me how to force mafia to kill and I will happily go along with you. Well not happily, cause boring!!! But we can't? Right? So what is the point?

[MiX]

I'm not giving scum the opportunity to say we're the ones that stalled the game.

Tell me how to force mafia to kill and I will happily go along with you. Well not happily, cause boring!!! But we can't? Right? So what is the point?

I'm willing to guilt trip mafia into NKing. Just insta no lynch and go back to night. They're the ones responsible for this.

[ashersky]

There's no doctor, and if there is we win the game.

Another scumslip.

[MiX]

There's no doctor, and if there is we win the game.

Another scumslip.

It's either right or wrong, and neither of those are alignment indicative.

[ashersky]

Willing to hammer LL, but I really don't want to lynch today.

Said every scum ever.

"Willing to hammer X, but I really don't want to..." is basically required scum vocab.

[MiX]

Willing to hammer LL, but I really don't want to lynch today.

Said every scum ever.

"Willing to hammer X, but I really don't want to..." is basically required scum vocab.

For the last time, just because scum says it doesn't mean I'm scum for saying it.

[yuma]

I'm not giving scum the opportunity to say we're the ones that stalled the game.

Tell me how to force mafia to kill and I will happily go along with you. Well not happily, cause boring!!! But we can't? Right? So what is the point?

I'm willing to guilt trip mafia into NKing. Just insta no lynch and go back to night. They're the ones responsible for this.

Responsible for what? Why will guilt trips work? Tou think they will feel bad?

vote: mix

[LaLight]

Willing to hammer LL, but I really don't want to lynch today.

Said every scum ever.

"Willing to hammer X, but I really don't want to..." is basically required scum vocab.

thanks for not hammering!

[MiX]

I'm not giving scum the opportunity to say we're the ones that stalled the game.

Tell me how to force mafia to kill and I will happily go along with you. Well not happily, cause boring!!! But we can't? Right? So what is the point?

I'm willing to guilt trip mafia into NKing. Just insta no lynch and go back to night. They're the ones responsible for this.

Responsible for what? Why will guilt trips work? Tou think they will feel bad?

vote: mix

Yes.

These circumstances make me want to vote LaLight, but I know that's not the town thing to do. I'd rather die being town than live playing into scum's play.