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[nkirbit]

I haven't got much of a read off of Voltglosses' reactions.  I think either scum or town could react the way he did.

Still, I do think that Voltgloss is much more likely than anyone else to flip scum at this point.  I can see him getting confused were he jumping back and forth between this game and a mafia QT.

I also think that Ash has been towny since coming back, so

Vote: Voltgloss

This puts him to 5.  L-2, I believe.

[mail-mi]

I haven't got much of a read off of Voltglosses' reactions.  I think either scum or town could react the way he did.

Still, I do think that Voltgloss is much more likely than anyone else to flip scum at this point.  I can see him getting confused were he jumping back and forth between this game and a mafia QT.

I also think that Ash has been towny since coming back, so

Vote: Voltgloss

This puts him to 5.  L-2, I believe.

I do think he is the best lynch of today (you should sign up for my game when you die) but I want a hammer that isn't on myself, so ill hammer.

[nkirbit]

So, if we have no more PRs claim today in any capacity, is it worth having UoS fullclaim before we lynch?  I'm just thinking he's almost assuredly going to be the NK of at least one of the scum teams should he be town, and we should remove the fakeclaim before they learn a safe fakeclaim for them to make?

[ashersky]

So, if we have no more PRs claim today in any capacity, is it worth having UoS fullclaim before we lynch?  I'm just thinking he's almost assuredly going to be the NK of at least one of the scum teams should he be town, and we should remove the fakeclaim before they learn a safe fakeclaim for them to make?

This is probably the correct move.  We need 3 PR claims (without counters) or a UoS fullclaim.  Not both.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.7

nkirbit (1): Voltaire
Voltgloss (5): shraeye, ashersky, Robz888, Eevee, nkirbit
Voltaire (1): Jorbles
Robz888 (1): Voltgloss
ashersky (2): yuma, mail-mi 
Jorbles (1): UmbrageOfSnow

Not Voting (1): liopoil

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The day will end on August 17th at 9:00 PM Forum Time.

Thank you yuma and sudgy for doing a Vote Count while I was away. I should be able to do one more regularly from now on.

[Voltaire]

I can't comment on Volt in previous games, but I agree his reactions post-shraeye post have been scummy. "Meh, oh well!" and going gracefully into the night - I think that's scum WIFOM of "wait scum would fight this harder". yuma points out that apparently Volt has done this in the past but that's awhile ago and I'm not comfortable making such a big decision based on very old meta information I wasn't directly involved with.

I also do not buy the defense given the timing of the posts in each place, as pointed out by others.

Intent to vote Voltgloss after UoS comes back and we sort out what's happening there.

I also really like the reactions this has caused.

[Voltgloss]

Unvote

VG has a point - he does make the same mistake in reverse in that QT. that means a lot for me really, and think that it's more of a null tell.

I'll feel really silly if he is indeed scum, and yeah, this unvote will look really bad, but oh well, I don't want to lynch him, so I'm unvoting.

So this obvious lie of a defense doesn't register to you?

How are those slips...?

He's using the wrong tags.  He's using QT-speak, and I suspect it's because he was switching between his scumQT and this thread.

Hah!  Clever.  Wrong, but clever.

Any messed-up tags are because I was alternating between posting here and posting in this.  Link is safe and non-spoilery.

Nope,, your first slip in this thread is more than 15 hours after your latest post in that QT.  Your second slip here is more than 2 days after any of your posting in that QT.  You were not alternating.

Now this is much more interesting. Because it isn't a slip, it is a contradiction. But is it really a contradiction? I mean I can kinda see what he is trying to say. That he has been alternating posting "here" as in the f.ds forum in general and the QT he is working on.

But I guess what now worries me is that he hasn't come out and said that himself...

That is, indeed, what I was trying to get across.  But I don't expect it to be believed.  See, I know if positions were reversed that I wouldn't believe it.  Hence my resignation to being lynched.  Really, my mislynch now is just a matter of "when," not "if.". And better it be today, when our chance of mislynch is highest anyway.

I am VT, by the way.  So no worries about the town mislynching a PR today either.

It is what is.  My lynch hurts town but I have only myself to blame.  Sorry town.  I am rusty and sloppy, and will try to do better next time.

We absolutely should wait for UoS though.

Also, when I am dead and flip town, be sure to scrutinize - not only Robz - but also liopoil.  Jumping on my wagon excitedly and almost immediately jumping off (when he sees he isn't "needed") is what I would expect overeager Mafia to do here.

[Voltgloss]

And with that I'm going to bed.

[Archetype]

UmbrageOfSnow has been replaced by chairs.

[mail-mi]

UmbrageOfSnow has been replaced by chairs.

Cgairs! Tell us what PR u are!

[liopoil]

voltgloss... why did you claim??

[Robz888]

voltgloss... why did you claim??

Because we are going to lynch him.

[Robz888]

Chairs--this is the situatio you are in: You claimed, for absurd reasons, generic PR. We need you to tell us WHICH PR, though. Soon plz. Don't confer with your scummates first.

[Robz888]

He's online right now.

[nkirbit]

Yeah, Chairs, which PR are you?  UoS put you in this spot, you gotta answer.

[liopoil]

guys, I don't think he's online...

[chairs]

Sorry, I was on lunch on my mobile!

UoS is dumb.

DUMB.

[chairs]

(That said, are we 100% sold that UOS-now-chairs fullclaim is right?)

[chairs]

Errrm... and I mean in the context of this game.  I'm sure he/she is a wonderful and intelligent person elsewhere.

[liopoil]

that's weird, looking at "who's online" chairs popped in and out of being online.

[liopoil]

well, actually, he was drunk when he claimed. anyway, yeah, we've pretty much decided you have to claim.

[nkirbit]

I think so, unfortunately.  If you get NKed, we don't find out which PR you can use, and whichever scum kills you can safely use it as a fakeclaim.

I think I would prefer all 3 PRs claiming generic PR, honestly.  So I think we should as a group decide which we want.

Don't claim this second, actually.  I think we should vote or something on if we want the other two PRs to claim or you to fakeclaim.

[nkirbit]

or you to fullclaim.

[shraeye]

I think so, unfortunately.  If you get NKed, we don't find out which PR you can use, and whichever scum kills you can safely use it as a fakeclaim.

I think I would prefer all 3 PRs claiming generic PR, honestly.  So I think we should as a group decide which we want.

Don't claim this second, actually.  I think we should vote or something on if we want the other two PRs to claim or you to fakeclaim.

Hwaaaa?!

[chairs]

I think so, unfortunately.  If you get NKed, we don't find out which PR you can use, and whichever scum kills you can safely use it as a fakeclaim.

I think I would prefer all 3 PRs claiming generic PR, honestly.  So I think we should as a group decide which we want.

Don't claim this second, actually.  I think we should vote or something on if we want the other two PRs to claim or you to fakeclaim.

  Are you scumslipping over there, nkirbit?  Have I managed to be useful despite almost certainly heading towards a N1 death-by-NK?