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[raerae]

                                       Vote Count 3.4.3

silverspawn (2): faust, EFHW
arishipshape (2): silverspawn, Joseph2302
EFHW (2): raerae, arishipshape
Joseph2302 (1): Uncleeurope
faust (1): Debatepro

Not Voting (1): shraeye

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 3 ends February 21, 2019, 04:00:00 pm.

raerae, EFHW is NOT our lynch today.

We should find the scum in

{Joseph, silver, Uncle, ari} 

I don't think either of us want ari....so why did Joseph feel wrong?

I followed you to MiX and DS, sorry if I'm going to trust my own gut on this one.

[shraeye]

But if ari is town, then mafia have 2 ways to stop mail-mi.  Kill ari, or kill mail-mi.  It weakens mail-mi's role.

[raerae]

Vote EFHW with me then, if she flips scum you're safe tomorrow. If you vote faust you're absolutely tomorrow's lunch.

So if one votes for faust and EFHW flips town, then they targeted in d4. I don't understand, wouldn't one have been at least correct that they believed she was town?

It isn't a threat it's just a fact. Regardless of what faust flips, Ari will be the lunch tomorrow. If faust is town we'll say, "Oh, Ari is so scummy! Look at all the scum all game long!" And if faust is scum we'll say, "Oh Ari must have been busing!" Ari's walking dead and EFHW's scum flip is the only thing that saves him.

This is not true; don't strongarm him into voting EFHW

I'll vote for him tomorrow if he votes faust and literally everybody else has him marked as scum. You really going to tell me that lunch won't go through in two seconds flat??

[shraeye]

raerae, EFHW is NOT our lynch today.

We should find the scum in

{Joseph, silver, Uncle, ari} 

I don't think either of us want ari....so why did Joseph feel wrong?

That's cold; I'm not leading people to a lynch today, just steering them away from EFHW.

I've been right about every lynch I've shut down so far.  #notmailmi, #raeraeistown

I followed you to MiX and DS, sorry if I'm going to trust my own gut on this one.

[silverspawn]

EFHW(Scum): ari is town. If EFHW flips scum Motion Detector, then Eddie is town. silver seems townier. Most likely partners: you, Eddie (if EFHW does not flip MD), Joseph, silver, Eddie (if EFHW flips MD)
EFHW(Town): Noone except me and raerae really suspected EFHW today, so I would have to see how this lynch happened. Scum team is silver, you, Eddie.

So you think that I wouldn't be bold enough to defend scumpartner!EFHW with this argument but would be willing to take town!EFHW out of the already small lynch pool?

I guess? It's really more based on how EFHW behaved in regards to you. I find it unlikely that she would claim a result on a scumpartner only to go on bussing him.

That makes more sense. I agree, that would be strange behavior.

[shraeye]

I'll vote for him tomorrow if he votes faust and literally everybody else has him marked as scum. You really going to tell me that lunch won't go through in two seconds flat??

You're saying that you will vote for ari next no matter what faust flips, if ari votes for faust. 

How does ari voting for EFHW change your opinion of ari?

[silverspawn]

If we are lynching ari tomorrow anyway, then we should definitely definitely lynch him today instead. His flip will be the most informative.

[raerae]

raerae, EFHW is NOT our lynch today.

We should find the scum in

{Joseph, silver, Uncle, ari} 

I don't think either of us want ari....so why did Joseph feel wrong?

That's cold; I'm not leading people to a lynch today, just steering them away from EFHW.

I've been right about every lynch I've shut down so far.  #notmailmi, #raeraeistown

I followed you to MiX and DS, sorry if I'm going to trust my own gut on this one.

And wrong about every lunch you've spearheaded. I'm not following you today because I disagree with your assessment, you'll have to do this without me if you insist on pushing faust. I don't like Joseph either, I was eager to have the day done and was fine with it last night but it doesn't make sense this morning.

[silverspawn]

EFHW, what are your thoughts on UncleEurope?

Towny

Why are you voting for silver? You got the same result on him as you did on Eddie.

@SS: What do you think about this fact?

It's frustrating, I mean I've explained that the result absolutely must lower the chance of me being scum from EFHW's PoV. I don't quite get it, her only reason was that faust is more active than me.

[shraeye]

If we are lynching ari tomorrow anyway, then we should definitely definitely lynch him today instead. His flip will be the most informative.

I agree.

But i don't see tomorrow as auto-ari.  I don't know why raerae says ari is auto tomorrow (if faust is today), but not to vote ari tomorrow. 

What information (that is NOT alignment) does us lynching faust give her that turns ari from a pass into an auto-lynch?

That don't make sense raerae

[raerae]

I'll vote for him tomorrow if he votes faust and literally everybody else has him marked as scum. You really going to tell me that lunch won't go through in two seconds flat??

You're saying that you will vote for ari next no matter what faust flips, if ari votes for faust. 

How does ari voting for EFHW change your opinion of ari?

Because I have a stronger scumread on her than him. If she flips town then I'd lunch him but I don't think that will happen. And I can't see a world where they're all (EFHW, mail-mi, and Ari) town. I know it's TECHNICALLY possible, as so many people are keen to point out, but I don't think it's likely.

[shraeye]

raerae, EFHW is NOT our lynch today.

We should find the scum in

{Joseph, silver, Uncle, ari} 

I don't think either of us want ari....so why did Joseph feel wrong?

That's cold; I'm not leading people to a lynch today, just steering them away from EFHW.

I've been right about every lynch I've shut down so far.  #notmailmi, #raeraeistown

I followed you to MiX and DS, sorry if I'm going to trust my own gut on this one.

And wrong about every lunch you've spearheaded. I'm not following you today because I disagree with your assessment, you'll have to do this without me if you insist on pushing faust. I don't like Joseph either, I was eager to have the day done and was fine with it last night but it doesn't make sense this morning.

I. am. not. pushing. faust.  (not anymore)

raerae, EFHW is NOT our lynch today.

We should find the scum in

{Joseph, silver, Uncle, ari} 

I don't think either of us want ari....so why did Joseph feel wrong?

[Debatepro]

EFHW, what are your thoughts on UncleEurope?

Towny

Why are you voting for silver? You got the same result on him as you did on Eddie.

@SS: What do you think about this fact?

It's frustrating, I mean I've explained that the result absolutely must lower the chance of me being scum from EFHW's PoV. I don't quite get it, her only reason was that faust is more active than me.

Isn't this a reason to vote for her? I mean she got a positive-ish result on you and is voting for you, it's that reason to go all in?

[raerae]

If we are lynching ari tomorrow anyway, then we should definitely definitely lynch him today instead. His flip will be the most informative.

I agree.

But i don't see tomorrow as auto-ari.  I don't know why raerae says ari is auto tomorrow (if faust is today), but not to vote ari tomorrow. 

What information (that is NOT alignment) does us lynching faust give her that turns ari from a pass into an auto-lynch?

That don't make sense raerae

Think about our scumreads earlier! EVERYBODY had Ari as their top read, in what world do you think he survives tomorrow??

[shraeye]

In the world where, like you and I both did, townies say
"my, that sure was some strong desire around the table to vote ari...kinda makes me feel like it's a mislynch"

[EFHW]

EFHW, what are your thoughts on UncleEurope?

Towny

Why are you voting for silver? You got the same result on him as you did on Eddie.

I realize I am being somewhat inconsistent here. I don't have a logical reason, but it is what feels right.

[Debatepro]

Think about our scumreads earlier! EVERYBODY had Ari as their top read, in what world do you think he survives tomorrow??

An easy one is faust isn't the nk.

[EFHW]

In the world where, like you and I both did, townies say
"my, that sure was some strong desire around the table to vote ari...kinda makes me feel like it's a mislynch"

Indistinguishable from scum bussing.

[shraeye]

That's not true, debate.  there are only 2 possible choices for NK tonight, unless scum wants to be ridiculous.

[raerae]

Think about our scumreads earlier! EVERYBODY had Ari as their top read, in what world do you think he survives tomorrow??

An easy one is faust isn't the nk.

I don't get the "faust is still alive" thing. If that's truly something everybody believes then, as scum, you can bet my ass would leave him alive.

[shraeye]

In the world where, like you and I both did, townies say
"my, that sure was some strong desire around the table to vote ari...kinda makes me feel like it's a mislynch"

Indistinguishable from scum bussing.

That's not true. 

It's either a mislynch or scum bussing.  But they aren't indistinguishable.  That's literally the basis of mafia games; intentions color the details; town tries to figure out which is which.

[shraeye]

yeah, faust still alive is not a convincing argument at all.

[EFHW]

In the world where, like you and I both did, townies say
"my, that sure was some strong desire around the table to vote ari...kinda makes me feel like it's a mislynch"

Indistinguishable from scum bussing.

That's not true. 

It's either a mislynch or scum bussing.  But they aren't indistinguishable.  That's literally the basis of mafia games; intentions color the details; town tries to figure out which is which.

What details are you noticing that lead you to think mislynch rather than bussing?

[shraeye]

I'm not saying I know something you don't.  I'm saying that it's self-defeating to pretend we couldn't possibly try to figure out if it is bussing or mislynch.

[shraeye]

Still,  I'd drop a lot of hammers today; but I'm not dropping EFHWs