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[ashersky]

Back to phone posting.

How is 2/13 in anyway indicative of your amazing powers of deduction regarding the mods’ flavor item definitions?  If 2/13 was really the basis for your statement, you were exaggerating at best and misleading at worst.  Either way, anti-town.

Is it anti-town to, in this way, reveal that he has shared his PR with Glooble and vice-versa? Because that's effectively what he did.

No, that reveal, nor the share with Glooble, we in and of themselves anti-town.

Authoritarian edicts that his beliefs about the meanings behind made-up flavor items possibly pushing players in bad directions is.

And my made up item and the role it connects runs directly contrary to his statement.

The actual truth is that two mods just made stuff up for the fun of this game.  There is no clairvoyance, no higher intelligence, nor no method to the madness to codebreak.

[cayvie]

Back to phone posting.

How is 2/13 in anyway indicative of your amazing powers of deduction regarding the mods’ flavor item definitions?  If 2/13 was really the basis for your statement, you were exaggerating at best and misleading at worst.  Either way, anti-town.

but his argument wasn't that he was amazing. he was countering shraeye's argument that anyone who claimed to have a good idea what any items did was "clairvoyant"

[ashersky]

Also, no way we waste a lynch on 2.7.  So many possibilities at night with a claimed vig, which messes with mafia minds. If the faust-bandages-doctor-magic exists, they can cast doubt on a scum shot in that direction.  A few NKs can lead to confusion and fun, too.

2.7, definitely shoot.

If 2.7 ends up as the likely lynch, I offer up myself in his place.

[cayvie]

Also, no way we waste a lynch on 2.7.  So many possibilities at night with a claimed vig, which messes with mafia minds. If the faust-bandages-doctor-magic exists, they can cast doubt on a scum shot in that direction.  A few NKs can lead to confusion and fun, too.

2.7, definitely shoot.

If 2.7 ends up as the likely lynch, I offer up myself in his place.

but i think you're town?

[ashersky]

Back to phone posting.

How is 2/13 in anyway indicative of your amazing powers of deduction regarding the mods’ flavor item definitions?  If 2/13 was really the basis for your statement, you were exaggerating at best and misleading at worst.  Either way, anti-town.

but his argument wasn't that he was amazing. he was countering shraeye's argument that anyone who claimed to have a good idea what any items did was "clairvoyant"

He was countering that by saying he had a good idea without being clairvoyant. But then his evidence was guessing 13 and knowing two items and then just assuming all of his guesses were correct?   And that is a sensible conclusion to draw?

Hey, I can name two states (regions?) of Germany correctly.  That means all the guesses I make for the other ones are definitely correct.

[ashersky]

Also, no way we waste a lynch on 2.7.  So many possibilities at night with a claimed vig, which messes with mafia minds. If the faust-bandages-doctor-magic exists, they can cast doubt on a scum shot in that direction.  A few NKs can lead to confusion and fun, too.

2.7, definitely shoot.

If 2.7 ends up as the likely lynch, I offer up myself in his place.

but i think you're town?

No you don’t?  Like, you literally started my wagon, didn’t you?  You definitely were the only player to make a case (which I explained and you were happy I understood).

[cayvie]

Also, no way we waste a lynch on 2.7.  So many possibilities at night with a claimed vig, which messes with mafia minds. If the faust-bandages-doctor-magic exists, they can cast doubt on a scum shot in that direction.  A few NKs can lead to confusion and fun, too.

2.7, definitely shoot.

If 2.7 ends up as the likely lynch, I offer up myself in his place.

but i think you're town?

No you don’t?  Like, you literally started my wagon, didn’t you?  You definitely were the only player to make a case (which I explained and you were happy I understood).

yeah i got frustrated and voted you but push comes to shove i don't really think you're scum. i just disagree with you.

[scolapasta]

So, while I am still against the thought that round claim was a positive, since 13/16 already have, I'm no longer convinced that it's beneficial to hold on to it. So I'm willing to reveal - I was a 2nd rounder.

[cayvie]

So, while I am still against the thought that round claim was a positive, since 13/16 already have, I'm no longer convinced that it's beneficial to hold on to it. So I'm willing to reveal - I was a 2nd rounder.

well that's interesting.

so either scola is lying, e is lying, or i read shraeye's implications wrong.

because there's no way scola is #1 and a 2nd rounder AND e is #2 and a first rounder, that's just impossible by the rules.

[scolapasta]

So, while I am still against the thought that round claim was a positive, since 13/16 already have, I'm no longer convinced that it's beneficial to hold on to it. So I'm willing to reveal - I was a 2nd rounder.

well that's interesting.

so either scola is lying, e is lying, or i read shraeye's implications wrong.

because there's no way scola is #1 and a 2nd rounder AND e is #2 and a first rounder, that's just impossible by the rules.

Yeah, I was about to also say that I wasn't #1, but thought it was more fun to leave that implied.

(I hope doing that is not in itself seen as scummy)

[cayvie]

So, while I am still against the thought that round claim was a positive, since 13/16 already have, I'm no longer convinced that it's beneficial to hold on to it. So I'm willing to reveal - I was a 2nd rounder.

well that's interesting.

so either scola is lying, e is lying, or i read shraeye's implications wrong.

because there's no way scola is #1 and a 2nd rounder AND e is #2 and a first rounder, that's just impossible by the rules.

Yeah, I was about to also say that I wasn't #1, but thought it was more fun to leave that implied.

(I hope doing that is not in itself seen as scummy)

all right, cool

now i'm wondering what shraeye's cryptic comment could mean. i'mma go search it out to remind myself.

[cayvie]

You will when we're done, because ash has promised to explain.

And when we're done revealing everybody's draft number, I'll explain how that leads to actual scumhunting instead of just "now ash knows which items aren't used" or some other bizarrely specific, clairvoyance-dependent, unhelpful information

I can't tell how that helps other than scum's going to kill whoever was #1. Can you come up with a way to claim in "groups", like top 4, bottom 4, etc. that still helps "actual scumhunting"?

Nope.  But I CAN promise that scum won't kill #1.

yeah it's this

idk how shraeye can promise that unless he's #1, scum with #1, or bulletproof

[MiX]

You will when we're done, because ash has promised to explain.

And when we're done revealing everybody's draft number, I'll explain how that leads to actual scumhunting instead of just "now ash knows which items aren't used" or some other bizarrely specific, clairvoyance-dependent, unhelpful information

I can't tell how that helps other than scum's going to kill whoever was #1. Can you come up with a way to claim in "groups", like top 4, bottom 4, etc. that still helps "actual scumhunting"?

Nope.  But I CAN promise that scum won't kill #1.

yeah it's this

idk how shraeye can promise that unless he's #1, scum with #1, or bulletproof

Scum won't kill #1 because scum IS #1. Uuuuuuh, how would he know this, no idea. You'd think it would be about the scola scumread, but I guess not.

I don't think it's pro-town to discuss this any further, but I don't know.

[cayvie]

Scum won't kill #1 because scum IS #1. Uuuuuuh, how would he know this, no idea. You'd think it would be about the scola scumread, but I guess not.

I don't think it's pro-town to discuss this any further, but I don't know.

if shraeye knows #1 is scum, how could it not be pro-town to discuss this?

[MiX]

Scum won't kill #1 because scum IS #1. Uuuuuuh, how would he know this, no idea. You'd think it would be about the scola scumread, but I guess not.

I don't think it's pro-town to discuss this any further, but I don't know.

if shraeye knows #1 is scum, how could it not be pro-town to discuss this?

Discussing how he knows isn't pro-town. Or something...I also think doing a draft order claim first is better than this. Which I am now fine with.

[cayvie]

Scum won't kill #1 because scum IS #1. Uuuuuuh, how would he know this, no idea. You'd think it would be about the scola scumread, but I guess not.

I don't think it's pro-town to discuss this any further, but I don't know.

if shraeye knows #1 is scum, how could it not be pro-town to discuss this?

Discussing how he knows isn't pro-town. Or something...I also think doing a draft order claim first is better than this. Which I am now fine with.

you know what, I might agree with you.

[MiX]

Discussing how he knows isn't pro-town. Or something...I also think doing a draft order claim first is better than this. Which I am now fine with.

If we're doing this I also have a way to organize: 1st round claims first, then 2nd round. This seems correct, who's with me?

[cayvie]

if we do claim, i propose claiming in reverse draft order. starting with #15, since Ashersky has already claimed #16.

[faust]

Back to phone posting.

How is 2/13 in anyway indicative of your amazing powers of deduction regarding the mods’ flavor item definitions?  If 2/13 was really the basis for your statement, you were exaggerating at best and misleading at worst.  Either way, anti-town.

Also please, enlighten us now so we can see just how great you are after the game is done and we can see the mod info.  Otherwise and until then, we can just ignore your statement as your ego talking.

I was not intending any of this as an indicator for my awesomeness, but rather as a rebuttal to shraeye's position that we can't know what the items do. It's enough to guess a single item right in order to that position to be disproven.

[2.71828.....]

vote: e
Going for bow and arrow (almost certainly a vig) would be a great move as scum.

It would. Which is why I took that option away from them

Did you...not want it just for the sake of it?

I mean, yeah. Of course. But that wasn't my only thought going for it

[faust]

Back to phone posting.

How is 2/13 in anyway indicative of your amazing powers of deduction regarding the mods’ flavor item definitions?  If 2/13 was really the basis for your statement, you were exaggerating at best and misleading at worst.  Either way, anti-town.

but his argument wasn't that he was amazing. he was countering shraeye's argument that anyone who claimed to have a good idea what any items did was "clairvoyant"

He was countering that by saying he had a good idea without being clairvoyant. But then his evidence was guessing 13 and knowing two items and then just assuming all of his guesses were correct?   And that is a sensible conclusion to draw?

Hey, I can name two states (regions?) of Germany correctly.  That means all the guesses I make for the other ones are definitely correct.

I wasn't assuming that I got all of them right, I am not suggesting that every item is guessable, I have never said what you put in my mouth.

[MiX]

Back to phone posting.

How is 2/13 in anyway indicative of your amazing powers of deduction regarding the mods’ flavor item definitions?  If 2/13 was really the basis for your statement, you were exaggerating at best and misleading at worst.  Either way, anti-town.

Also please, enlighten us now so we can see just how great you are after the game is done and we can see the mod info.  Otherwise and until then, we can just ignore your statement as your ego talking.

I was not intending any of this as an indicator for my awesomeness, but rather as a rebuttal to shraeye's position that we can't know what the items do. It's enough to guess a single item right in order to that position to be disproven.

Not really, because you probably picked the item that you were most confident in its ability. So there's some bias there.

[faust]

So, while I am still against the thought that round claim was a positive, since 13/16 already have, I'm no longer convinced that it's beneficial to hold on to it. So I'm willing to reveal - I was a 2nd rounder.

What changed your mind?

[faust]

Back to phone posting.

How is 2/13 in anyway indicative of your amazing powers of deduction regarding the mods’ flavor item definitions?  If 2/13 was really the basis for your statement, you were exaggerating at best and misleading at worst.  Either way, anti-town.

Also please, enlighten us now so we can see just how great you are after the game is done and we can see the mod info.  Otherwise and until then, we can just ignore your statement as your ego talking.

I was not intending any of this as an indicator for my awesomeness, but rather as a rebuttal to shraeye's position that we can't know what the items do. It's enough to guess a single item right in order to that position to be disproven.

Not really, because you probably picked the item that you were most confident in its ability. So there's some bias there.

Generally speaking it helps me more to go for an item that I'm not so sure what it does, because if I get it and get to know it then I have more information.

[cayvie]

i think this game in particular is proving to be a fascinating personality test.