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[faust]

Did I just miss Faust?

Probably. It's been so long!

[Xxraptorslayer96]

Pretty scummy for one or few people to withhold info, everyone else has shared, without good reason

if all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?

If it kept me from looking scummy, sure.

[faust]

Pretty scummy for one or few people to withhold info, everyone else has shared, without good reason

if all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?

If it kept me from looking scummy, sure.

I'm glad to hear you've got your priorities straight.

[EFHW]

vote: ashersky

Raptor has just echoed a thought I was having a moment ago (clairvoyant? which one of us?), which was that scum are likely to have meekly given their round rather than drawing attention to themselves and in hopes of getting the info.

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: ashersky

Raptor has just echoed a thought I was having a moment ago (clairvoyant? which one of us?), which was that scum are likely to have meekly given their round rather than drawing attention to themselves and in hopes of getting the info.

Isn't that the opposite of what raptor is saying?

[MiX]

vote: ashersky

Raptor has just echoed a thought I was having a moment ago (clairvoyant? which one of us?), which was that scum are likely to have meekly given their round rather than drawing attention to themselves and in hopes of getting the info.

Vote: EFHW, "scum must've done that thing I didn't"

[mail-mi]

vote: ashersky

Raptor has just echoed a thought I was having a moment ago (clairvoyant? which one of us?), which was that scum are likely to have meekly given their round rather than drawing attention to themselves and in hopes of getting the info.

You will when we're done, because ash has promised to explain.

And when we're done revealing everybody's draft number, I'll explain how that leads to actual scumhunting instead of just "now ash knows which items aren't used" or some other bizarrely specific, clairvoyance-dependent, unhelpful information

yeah you know what?

vote: Ashersky

the bandages were available in round 2. i think he's searching for the doctor.

ashersky isn't that blunt with his plans. This sounds like good old town!ash.

[Lekkit]

I think mass claiming draft order is bad. Especially for round twoers.

[cayvie]

vote: ashersky

Raptor has just echoed a thought I was having a moment ago (clairvoyant? which one of us?), which was that scum are likely to have meekly given their round rather than drawing attention to themselves and in hopes of getting the info.

Isn't that the opposite of what raptor is saying?

Raptor just said he'd go along with round claiming avoid "looking scummy"

Pretty scummy for one or few people to withhold info, everyone else has shared, without good reason

if all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?

If it kept me from looking scummy, sure.

[EFHW]

vote: ashersky

Raptor has just echoed a thought I was having a moment ago (clairvoyant? which one of us?), which was that scum are likely to have meekly given their round rather than drawing attention to themselves and in hopes of getting the info.

Isn't that the opposite of what raptor is saying?

I don't think so.

[EFHW]

vote: ashersky

Raptor has just echoed a thought I was having a moment ago (clairvoyant? which one of us?), which was that scum are likely to have meekly given their round rather than drawing attention to themselves and in hopes of getting the info.

Vote: EFHW, "scum must've done that thing I didn't"

Yeah, but I'm trying to explain to myself why it took until now for people to be discussing the item poe from round claiming.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Has everyone released there round order yet? Did I just miss Faust?

no, and there's no guarantee that everyone will, so stop saying "yet".

Pretty scummy for one or few people to withhold info, everyone else has shared, without good reason

raptor is saying that people who haven't claimed are scummy. You're saying that the people who claimed quickly are scummy

[Glooble]

I've been trying to keep up, but it's moving fast. Anyway, not happy with my vote being still in RVS.

vote: Ashersky

let's see where this goes.

I also think raptor is a bit scummy for his "trying not to look scummy" comment.

[WestCoastDidds]

Hey Glooble, how are you? Why Ashersky?

[cayvie]

vote: ashersky

Raptor has just echoed a thought I was having a moment ago (clairvoyant? which one of us?), which was that scum are likely to have meekly given their round rather than drawing attention to themselves and in hopes of getting the info.

Vote: EFHW, "scum must've done that thing I didn't"

Why vote for EFHW here and not raptor? Your paraphrase would seem to fit raptor's comment about how "it's scummy not to round claim because a bunch of people have done it" much better than anything I see that EFHW has said.

[Glooble]

Hey Glooble, how are you? Why Ashersky?

I've actually been quite busy. Apparently a disaster that forces people to stay indoors is extremely profitable for the jigsaw puzzle industry. Working from home four days a week, going in tomorrow (so I won't be on much.)

Initially I thought "ash wouldn't be this obvious about rolefishing" but then I thought about it some more. I don't doubt he's got something convincing sounding to tell us about why he wanted this info as town. But the arguments for why he'd rather get it out as scum are compelling to me.

[MiX]

vote: ashersky

Raptor has just echoed a thought I was having a moment ago (clairvoyant? which one of us?), which was that scum are likely to have meekly given their round rather than drawing attention to themselves and in hopes of getting the info.

Vote: EFHW, "scum must've done that thing I didn't"

Why vote for EFHW here and not raptor? Your paraphrase would seem to fit raptor's comment about how "it's scummy not to round claim because a bunch of people have done it" much better than anything I see that EFHW has said.

But EFHW voted someone that did roundclaim using this logic, which makes no sense. She basically applied it reversed, because she hasn't claimed round order. I don't see what's scummy of raptor to be pointing fingers at the non-round claims?

vote: ashersky

Raptor has just echoed a thought I was having a moment ago (clairvoyant? which one of us?), which was that scum are likely to have meekly given their round rather than drawing attention to themselves and in hopes of getting the info.

Vote: EFHW, "scum must've done that thing I didn't"

Yeah, but I'm trying to explain to myself why it took until now for people to be discussing the item poe from round claiming.

What does that have to do with your vote on ash?

[ashersky]

We have some knowledge already: cayvie was a 2r.  If it wasn’t clear to you by now, so am I.

1r: WCD, mail-mi, raptor, LL, Glooble, 2.7, Lekkit, Jimmmmmm
2r: cayvie, ash, MiX

11 of 16 claimed so far.

2r people...did you get a list of items still available before your redraft? Can you determine how many people who haven’t claimed are part of 1r? (In truth, I’m not super sure about why it matters, but I like it when problems get solved)

Replying as I go. 

I did see this was answered.  I’m sad you asked, as this “hidden” info was key.  Theoretically if anyone lied (hence my earlier overt scum lie argument), 2r players could figure out quickly if any claimed 1r or 2r players were lying (within the group, not specifically).  It was a long shot and only really had a chance of working if all scum were r1, but I thought was worth a shot.

Knowing someone got a randomly named item r1 vs. r2 doesn’t help scum in my opinion, especially since an r1 winner might have chosen a silly sounding item and ended up as a fruit vendor of something.

[ashersky]

And I'm 2r.  But honestly, round STILL isn't the most important piece of info.

What we REALLY need to know is everybody's draft order.  I was #13.

I don’t mind it, clearly; I claimed mine way back in my first post.

I don’t see a benefit, yet.  But mixed with r info, could help. 

[ashersky]

I was pretty high up top the draft order, so you might want not to lynch me here, guys

And we care why? Because you were guaranteed to get that flashlight?

Vote: LaLight

Oh, it's a spotlight, not flashlight. But the point remains. Just because you are high doesn't mean you have this magical PR that makes you super special.

You guessed at what the items did just like the rest of us. You probably put more thought into it than most of us, true. But still

How are more people not understanding this?? 

I keep seeing peopel be nervous of round claiming putting us into categories.  Uhhhh, categories are not scary.  Is there ANY reason to believe that scum is concerned with who is in what category?  No.

I keep seeing nervousness over draft order telling scum who drafted better PRs.  No no no.  People are not thinking clearly. 

PUBLIC POLL:
Which is more powerful "Mockingjay pin" or "Trident"?   Which one would go earlier in the draft order? Does your answer change now that we know LaLight is high up? Which one is scum most scared of?  If you can answer ANY of these questions then congrats, you're clairvoyant and it probably isn't fair for you to play this game in the first place.

Yep.  This.

[ashersky]

As a more contrete (maybe) counter to shraeye: I made guesses prior to drafting on what powers 13 of the 20 items give, and I wasn't very far off based on what I know now.

vote: faust

The only reason you should know more than one item’s meaning is your scum partners telling you what they got.

[MiX]

Because the #1 pick is probably the best PR. For them, no one should draft order claim.

As a more contrete (maybe) counter to shraeye: I made guesses prior to drafting on what powers 13 of the 20 items give, and I wasn't very far off based on what I know now.

vote: faust

The only reason you should know more than one item’s meaning is your scum partners telling you what they got.

No but yes.

[ashersky]

vote: ashersky

Raptor has just echoed a thought I was having a moment ago (clairvoyant? which one of us?), which was that scum are likely to have meekly given their round rather than drawing attention to themselves and in hopes of getting the info.

Are your vote and your comment related?

I was not meek in round claiming.

[ashersky]

Caught up.  WCD asking an astute question ruined my idea.  Banking on a lie by scum based on not thinking things through doesn’t usually work out when someone thinks things through publicly.

If anyone had lied about round, we could have caught them, immediately shrinking the D1 lynchpool, which would have been useful.

[ashersky]

Has there been a vote count this game?

Is that a mechanic?  Do votes count?