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[Galzria]

Also, scum PPS would have posted post hammer — I continue to think that’s not indicative, and point fingers of suspicion at players who use that as a way to paint him as scummy.

Oh wait, that’s Galz again.

So you just hammered a player you think is town? Gtk.

[ashersky]

Confirmed, Rolestopping Priest was an Orc role in LOTR2 that I made — couldn’t hammer ever unless only Orc left alive.

Does Faust flip that into a town role?  Anyway, good info for the future.

[ashersky]

Also, scum PPS would have posted post hammer — I continue to think that’s not indicative, and point fingers of suspicion at players who use that as a way to paint him as scummy.

Oh wait, that’s Galz again.

So you just hammered a player you think is town? Gtk.

GTK?

Oh, good to know.

Yeah, I think PPS could be town.  I think he could also be scum.  SS made a good point on how his possible confusion about the stick which was mod confirmed could be a scum slip. 

The fake hammer in no way changed my opinion of PPS’s alignment.

[ashersky]

Confirmed, Rolestopping Priest was an Orc role in LOTR2 that I made — couldn’t hammer ever unless only Orc left alive.

Does Faust flip that into a town role?  Anyway, good info for the future.

I want to emphasize this so that folks don’t forget this tomorrow.  Or if killing roles want to sort this out for us tonight.

[ashersky]

Someone not on mobile confirm the timing for me of some SS posts.

At some point in time: SS posted the make PPS shoot someone plan.
At another point in time: SS bolded the line from the setup post about the stick being destroyed and voted a bunch of us for talking about something he thinks should have been very clear to all.

If the first one happened before the second, that’s a contradiction in that he definitely acted like he knew the stick was destroyed if given to town but previously he had tried to give PPS an out with the plan.

And actually, any order in which they happened, makes no sense to me.  Why suggest a plan if you are trying to show you clearly knew the stick didn’t exist in town hands?

[ashersky]

So given that claim I kinda think PPS is more likely scum.

Why? you think scum would claim that? I know, but thta's not really my defense because I am aware i am an exception to that very question. I guess I ask that to see if you are saying anyone who bid for the slot 3 must be scum or PPS is scum because he bid slot 3 and notPPS would get a more friendly read?

My actual defense is that I'd much rather a known townie have the sword-stick than a scum. Oh, did I just reveal exactly which item I bid on and won? Yes, yes I did. Yep, I'm the vig. claimed and all. Doesn't seem like very strong scum or town play if you ask me but I walked into this shit pile because I didn't bother to see what is in slot 3 when I agreed to the claim plan. I probably would have done that if I were, in fact, scum. Put yourself in my shoes, you are draft #2, which item do you bid on regardless of your alignment?

Here’s where he says he’s the Vig.  Note that he claimed slot 3 before that but didn’t give item info. 

As we all know, this reads like he thinks he’s a Vig, not the winner of a broken stick.  Options include the aforementioned mistake in understanding, or he’s scum Vig, or he’s scum partners with a scum Vig (like Galz at #1 or someone else if he’s lying).

[ashersky]

PPS, are you claiming that the sword stick is currently in your possession?

Yes, it is, would you like me to poke you with it?

Later on the same page, more incorrect assumptions about what is in his possession.

[faust]

This was just insanely lunatic.

Day 1 Final Vote Count

pingpongsam (8): iguanaiguana, LaLight, silverspawn, Galzria, Witherweaver, DatSwan, gkrieg13, ashersky
silverspawn (1): Dylan32
Haddock (1): SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (1): schadd
DatSwan (2): Awaclus, pingpongsam

Not Voting (5): Haddock, 2.71828....., JaketheBaseballGod22, chairs

With 17 alive, it took 9 to lynch.

[faust]

NO! What have you done? You were just supposed to sit and wait while we figure things out. Now look at this mess. You know how hard it will be to explain interdimensional murder? That one here, the one you just lynched, still had a role to play in his world, either for good or for evil.

This will make things considerably harder. Please be patient while we consider our options. And: Don't. Do. Anything. Stupid.

pingpongsam has been lynched. They were Smeagol, the Survivor/Gollum, the Serial Killer from RMM10.

Night 1 starts now and lasts 48 hours. Night actions are due within 24 hours.

THREAD LOCKED!

[faust]

EFHW replaces Teproc who replaced LaLight.

[faust]

Alright. I think we have figured something out. You... wow. I can't believe you actually followed our davice and kept still. Well, anyway, we can begin with your transport back now. Get your items and you three, follow us please. ... ... Hey! You hear us? We need you to go first. You can move again now. ... ... What is the matter with you?

ashersky is frozen solid!

Vote Count 2.0

Not Voting (16): EFHW, ashersky, Haddock, Awaclus, gkrieg13, SpaceAnemone, schadd, chairs, 2.71828....., DatSwan, JaketheBaseballGod22, Galzria, Dylan32, iguanaiguana, Witherweaver, silverspawn

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Day 2 ends November 24 at 6:30 am forum time.

[Haddock]

Well that was weird.  I was gone for like a day and we lynched?

I mean, not a bad lynch in the end.  But still.

ash dying without a flip SUCKS.

[Haddock]

I guess he might not be DEAD dead, but still.

[silverspawn]

dying? He's still in the vote count. It seems like he isn't dead.

Also I claim to be responsible for the no-kill ... maybe. Possibly. It would be cool.

[Haddock]

dying? He's still in the vote count. It seems like he isn't dead.

Also I claim to be responsible for the no-kill ... maybe. Possibly. It would be cool.

Huh.  So he is.  I just kinda figured... "frozen solid" sounds pretty dead.  Interesting.

[Haddock]

Also, @everyone, does anyone recall "frozen solid" being a mechanic in any other RMMs?

[Witherweaver]

I guess he might not be DEAD dead, but still.

Why was that he died your first thought?

[Witherweaver]

Also, @everyone, does anyone recall "frozen solid" being a mechanic in any other RMMs?

Flash maybe?

[iguanaiguana]

I think people get frozen in the flash. I'll look in the mod QT.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

People got frozen in Flash.

[Haddock]

I guess he might not be DEAD dead, but still.

Why was that he died your first thought?

I just kinda figured... "frozen solid" sounds pretty dead.  Interesting.

Also because I tend to assume the worst.

[iguanaiguana]

Okay, the most likely situation we have is that someone is Caitlin Frost: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/QXSakdmLSXLGn

So we maybe have a mafia traitor, who can freeze people at night in addition to the mafia NK, and if the mafia team targets them with a NK, they will join the mafia QT and lose their ability to freeze people. This also would mean that mafia proper has a NK of their own and didn't use it or got blocked or something.

If someone stays frozen for a day and a half, they will die. There may or may not be a way to unfreeze them. In Flash Mafia, there was Leonard Snart: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/KmsHaVFiXuat. He was a combo of an anti-freeze doctor and suicide vigilante. Would Faust bring both characters over wholesale?

Maybe the person with flint should try to make a fire around Ashersky? lol

[iguanaiguana]

I find it somewhat ironic that Ash is frozen solid because he was the one who brought the frozen solid mechanic to F.DS.

[iguanaiguana]

I did an overnight reread of D1 and took some notes in my QT. I am going to post a paraphrase but I want to wait for mod-confirm that I can do that.

[Haddock]

Okay, the most likely situation we have is that someone is Caitlin Frost: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/QXSakdmLSXLGn

So we maybe have a mafia traitor, who can freeze people at night in addition to the mafia NK, and if the mafia team targets them with a NK, they will join the mafia QT and lose their ability to freeze people. This also would mean that mafia proper has a NK of their own and didn't use it or got blocked or something.

If someone stays frozen for a day and a half, they will die. There may or may not be a way to unfreeze them. In Flash Mafia, there was Leonard Snart: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/KmsHaVFiXuat. He was a combo of an anti-freeze doctor and suicide vigilante. Would Faust bring both characters over wholesale?

Maybe the person with flint should try to make a fire around Ashersky? lol

This also means scum-body (the traitor) thinks ash is towny.  I don't know what that means for us.  I had ash down as fairly towny too.