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[Teproc]

As much as I think faust is probably scum, I don't find it strange at all to bid on Redirector late in the draft. It's a good scum role, but there are much better ones so you could still theoretically block it, and it's nice to know whether or not it's in the game, especially when you're someone like faust and you don't want to go for the most powerful town PRs anyway because you're likely to be killed.

[faust]

...

nt to claim again ? Like, seriously, why ? I know why I didn't want to: I'm at an actually strategically important place in the draft order, one that scum might be worried about for fakeclaims. But faust wasn't.

The only reason is that he wanted to stall, so that we'd have to lynch quickly. The claiming process is going to take another day, and then it's just one day before the WE. Which gives us the least possible time to process the claims and assertain what our best chance of lynching scum is, and preferably poisoner!scum.

I didn't not want to claim. I just wanted you to not claim last.

[faust]

faust, do you think Teproc is the best lynch?

Yes.

[faust]

faust, do you think Teproc is the best lynch?

Yes.

Though there is a chance that we might want to lynch O instead. I'd have to figure out more things for that.

[Teproc]

Again: explain to me how this fakeclaiming Masons world you live in makes sense for scum, with Watcher and Tracker out there. Maybe one of us is our scumbuddies, ok, and obviously we can't know they're out there, but we know they're a possibility right ?

In what world am I confident enough that I didn't get targeted at all by any investigative PR to make that claim ?

Like, how ?

Also, the way you keep ignoring O entirely is... well it's revealing that you're not giving this any serious thought. Because you know, you're scum, and either not-poisoner trying to make it 1v1 to protect him, or poisoner hoping we think that, haven't quite decided that part yet.

[Teproc]

one of them is our scumbuddy* is what it should read.

[faust]

Again: explain to me how this fakeclaiming Masons world you live in makes sense for scum, with Watcher and Tracker out there. Maybe one of us is our scumbuddies, ok, and obviously we can't know they're out there, but we know they're a possibility right ?

In what world am I confident enough that I didn't get targeted at all by any investigative PR to make that claim ?

Conflicting claims are not a terrbily big problem at LyLo.

[faust]

Plus, if someone watched you kill gkrieg or something, there is no claim that would help you anyway.

[Teproc]

Yeah but I'm taking O down with me then. How is that a winning strategy ? Why take that massive, massive risk ?

[faust]

Also, the way you keep ignoring O entirely is...

My time is limited. I respond to the things that need responding. I want to reread O yes, but there has been no time for this so far.

[faust]

Yeah but I'm taking O down with me then. How is that a winning strategy ? Why take that massive, massive risk ?

Risks are taken at LyLo, and it is not at all uncommon for scum to tie themselves together in some way. You have limited fakeclaim options. Claiming you went for Bomb over Masons wouldn't look great.

[Teproc]

Also, the way you keep ignoring O entirely is...

My time is limited. I respond to the things that need responding. I want to reread O yes, but there has been no time for this so far.

Taht you're voting for a claimed Mason at lylo (granted, one vote does not enable a quickhammer in this particular brand of lylo but still) without having taken the time to reread the other claimed Mason should tell everyone everything they need to know about your alignment.

PPE: So you think I'm a Bomb ? Ok. I could claim I went for Watcher or Poisoner and got VT in that case. Convenient, sure, but better than taking the chance of sinking 2/3rds of the scum team. Also, where is the poisoner in your scenario ? In or out of {O, Teproc} ?

[faust]

PPE: So you think I'm a Bomb ? Ok. I could claim I went for Watcher or Poisoner and got VT in that case. Convenient, sure, but better than taking the chance of sinking 2/3rds of the scum team. Also, where is the poisoner in your scenario ? In or out of {O, Teproc} ?

I don't know what you are. I was taking a reasonable scenario to illustrate why fakeclaims aren't easy for scum. The Poisoner scenario is interesting... I do think that if you two are scum, neither of you is the Poisoner; that makes more sense with the Mason route. You'd think that if people believe you, you could steer the lynch away from your final partner.

[faust]

And the chance of sinking the scum team isn't very big considering that never in f.ds history did claimed Masons get lynched.

[Teproc]

Wasn't there a RMM game where claimed Masons got lynched ?

In any case, if you want to look at history, there is a rather famous case of fakeclaiming masons that many in this game would be familiar with, so you know.

If you're accounting for history, you might also account for how much I'm known for my bold fakeclaims as scum right ? I guess you've got me confused with ash.

[SpaceAnemone]

Quick check-in here before sleep. I absolutely agree that claiming should go ahead.

I think Qvist is almost certainly town, and that there's a high chance the mason people are too. People seem to be townreading Galz surprisingly quickly without significant evidence.

I've been looking at wagons and stuff, trying to pin likelihoods on the rest of the lynchpool, which I think is Galz, e, DatSwan, Eevee, RR and faust. I can write up a series of observations tomorrow at lunchbreak probably, but it's all frustratingly inconclusive. If anyone wants votings stats of any particular type, feel free to ask, and I'll try to oblige if it's something I can pull out of my vote-counter easily enough.

stahp pseudo lurking and help hold Faust's feet over the fire so he actually claims.

Sorry! I'm genuinely lacking in time to be here.. I've had commitments every night and work is too busy to do much more than catch up at lunchtime. My intention with a vocal agreement about claiming was to push faust and the others to hurry up and claim. It's not acceptable to be missing their info now that several of us who placed highly and have actual PRs have been outed.

In other news, I have stats at my fingertips, but no clear idea about what to do with them. I'd expected some of the more numbersy people to maybe ask for useful things by now... I'm sure Teproc/Galz/faust have asked for specific patterns or vote counts in previous games to help inject a little more evidence into their speculations.

[Teproc]

Space, what do you think about the people who have claimed so far ?

[2.71828.....]

Hm. I guess RR isn't quite prod-able yet. I would love to finish all the claiming today

[faust]

I'm going to be VLA the next two days. unvote to be safe there.

[Roadrunner7671]

Sorry all, just caught up. Very exciting day today!

[Roadrunner7671]

So I bid 35 and got slot 7. I bid on the watcher but didn't get it, which was a bummer. That's also why I believe space a whole bunch though.

[Eevee]

faust and roadrunner are my top two scumreads.

[Teproc]

DatSwan next.

[Roadrunner7671]

faust and roadrunner are my top two scumreads.

Is it something I said?

[2.71828.....]

faust and roadrunner are my top two scumreads.

Is it something I said?

Probably a good bit of PoE.  Don't worry, we won't lynch you today