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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1500 on: December 09, 2019, 12:16:08 pm »

LL, the simple fact that he hasn't hammered you should prove you're wrong about Galz.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1501 on: December 09, 2019, 12:31:02 pm »

LL, the simple fact that he hasn't hammered you should prove you're wrong about Galz.

Why is that? You think there's 2 scums left?
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1502 on: December 09, 2019, 12:31:55 pm »

2 of the same faction so they will quickhammer, I mean
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1503 on: December 09, 2019, 12:33:12 pm »

There's already two votes on you, it takes three to lynch.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1504 on: December 09, 2019, 02:34:22 pm »

There's already two votes on you, it takes three to lynch.

Why would he quickhammer I mean?
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1505 on: December 09, 2019, 03:01:57 pm »

There's already two votes on you, it takes three to lynch.

Why would he quickhammer I mean?

I'd hardly call it "quick" at this point but I don't see why he would hesitate to hammer if he were scum.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1506 on: December 09, 2019, 03:04:39 pm »

Because it would guarantee his lynch tomorrow.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1507 on: December 09, 2019, 03:24:20 pm »

Because it would guarantee his lynch tomorrow.

So how do we move forward if whoever hammers is the instalynch tomorrow?  I won't no lynch.

No Lynch

Best Case:
Basically where we are today minus one town.

Worst Case:
Two dead, scum team tie/somebody Kingmakes

Am I wrong?
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1508 on: December 09, 2019, 03:26:08 pm »

Ahkay, I had presumed you guys were speaking of lynching without warning, you are saying an evil Galz would have justified lynching LaLight and then went for it.

That is fair.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1509 on: December 09, 2019, 03:27:40 pm »

Because it would guarantee his lynch tomorrow.

How? This is complete utter nonsense. You and LaLight are both beyond ridiculous with these accusations at this point (And Rae, I'm sorry if I lumped you into this grouping before - it just keeps coming up and I'm losing track of who's claiming it). ME POTENTIALLY BEING SCUM HAS BEEN DEBUNKED. The ONLY theory that it works out is if I'm an Alien, who decided to (for some reason) completely throw faust (faust, really? Not MiX? Which player, if I had to choose, would I rather keep around throughout the game?) under the bus DAY 2, and THEN on the SAME DAY continue to call out/push my OTHER partner MiX as being faust's buddy - to the extent that I called for him to be NK'd once faust flipped Alien. And to top it all, feel free to re-read the other confirmed Alien here (MiX), to see that he obviously had no idea that this conspiracy of a plan was taking place.  ::)

/rantover

Now, onto reality.

Raerae is EITHER Vanilla-ized, or an Alien. Those are the only explanations that fit for her to know she could claim to be Vanilla-ized out of the gate Day 3. In either case, she is NOT a Roleblocker.

Bright is confirmed town, and is NOT a Roleblocker.

LaLight COULD be a WW/Mafia RB, but it is more LIKELY that he was telling the truth yesterday about being a SK. Whether he's telling the truth today or not is, well, I'll get to that.

That means that the most LIKELY player to be a Roleblocker is Eddie. Hence, I think, Bright's vote. I can't really find a flaw in this logic. Eddie doesn't HAVE to be the Roleblocker, but it does seem the most logical place to find it.

Rae is, I think, off the table. Rae, if you're an Alien, good job you. I'm happy for you and your team, considering how things went early on. I don't know if you come out winning this here or not (I'm assuming you still would have your shot), but even if you don't, this would be two games in a row you've played spectacularly as scum, so #clapclapclap!

I believe there are EITHER 2 scum (1 SK, 1 RB) left, or 1 scum (1 RB) left. I agree that Eddie is the best choice to find the RB amongst the living players, and I feel like that's the best place to lynch. Except that if LaLight is SK, then we risk the lynch + 2 NK's, which would end-game town.

… Actually, that's wrong, isn't it? Let's assume LaLight IS the SK. Then the only RB that could exist is Eddie. So lynching Eddie would either win us the game (LaLight is Town), or force another day (LaLight is SK/Scum). In either case, there is NO possible way for there to be two NK's (unless Rae is an Alien, which, again, good job Rae).

I was thinking the safest play would be to lynch LaLight, because it force removes a NK if he's still the SK or scum, and at worst we'll likely only have 1 NK so we'll be able to deal with tomorrow when it comes - but I think we're safe for an extra day either way if Eddie's lynch doesn't just end the game in a town win.

So that being said:

vote: Eddie
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1510 on: December 09, 2019, 03:33:13 pm »

Why  is Eddie lying about being Survivor but LL isn't lying about being SK?
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1511 on: December 09, 2019, 03:34:22 pm »

Why  is Eddie lying about being Survivor but LL isn't lying about being SK?

For once in my life I'm not being sassy, just trying to understand, I promise.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1512 on: December 09, 2019, 03:37:49 pm »

I was not saying you would be confirmed evil or anything, I was just saying it would look bad if you hammered out of nowhere.

I am a freaking survivor, people.

There is no scenario where lynching me today is your best call.

I am going to flip and you all are going to lose your minds.

I am not a freaking roleblocker.

Galz, read LaLight from today. That mentality doesn’t come from a player who is newly town.

Nejdhemdukdneidndidi

This is so stupid.

I wish I had just died night one.

You are just killing me for no reason here.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1513 on: December 09, 2019, 03:38:06 pm »

Alright, Galzria's logic follows mine. I am willing to hammer. Objections?
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1514 on: December 09, 2019, 03:38:39 pm »

Stop, please someone unvote
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1515 on: December 09, 2019, 03:39:01 pm »

Galz if you are going to lynch LaLight tomorrow anyway then just lynch LaLight first.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1516 on: December 09, 2019, 03:40:09 pm »

This is futile.

Goodbye, people.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1517 on: December 09, 2019, 03:40:49 pm »

OBJECTION
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1518 on: December 09, 2019, 03:41:00 pm »

Lynching LaLight was, And always will be, the correct call for today.

There were no loss states.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1519 on: December 09, 2019, 03:42:08 pm »

Why  is Eddie lying about being Survivor but LL isn't lying about being SK?

For once in my life I'm not being sassy, just trying to understand, I promise.

 :-*

I mean, I'm not entirely certain about your question - they both could be lying, they can't both be telling the truth.

I think it's more likely that Eddie is lying than LaLight because... Survivor is just so much more of a safe-claim than SK, right? Like, SK can never win with town, so town always needs to deal with that situation. Survivor CAN win with town, so the necessity to take them out isn't really there. That makes it a much stronger claim for scum than SK.

I'll grant you, on the flip side, that claiming SK gives a player less scrutiny if they're, say, tracked to a kill... so they're not entirely fucked if caught... but still.

I don't know. It could be either - my gut just says the SK claim is more likely to be true than the Survivor claim.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1520 on: December 09, 2019, 03:42:51 pm »

Why  is Eddie lying about being Survivor but LL isn't lying about being SK?

For once in my life I'm not being sassy, just trying to understand, I promise.

 :-*

I mean, I'm not entirely certain about your question - they both could be lying, they can't both be telling the truth.

I think it's more likely that Eddie is lying than LaLight because... Survivor is just so much more of a safe-claim than SK, right? Like, SK can never win with town, so town always needs to deal with that situation. Survivor CAN win with town, so the necessity to take them out isn't really there. That makes it a much stronger claim for scum than SK.

I'll grant you, on the flip side, that claiming SK gives a player less scrutiny if they're, say, tracked to a kill... so they're not entirely fucked if caught... but still.

I don't know. It could be either - my gut just says the SK claim is more likely to be true than the Survivor claim.

Didn't he claim SK AFTER mail-mi said he could cure SK?
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1521 on: December 09, 2019, 03:43:29 pm »

Well, Bright and Galz screwed me.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1522 on: December 09, 2019, 03:44:46 pm »

And didn't we find out TODAY that mail-mi wouldn't have found out whether or not his cure was successful?  LL had to block shraeye and kill mail-mi to cover his own butt last night.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1523 on: December 09, 2019, 03:45:01 pm »

Tell me if I've got the timeline wrong.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Five)
« Reply #1524 on: December 09, 2019, 03:45:12 pm »

Galz, unvote, I have something to add but I need time.
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