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[Swowl]

Sorry been super busy.

Same. WIll try to get to this tonight.

ditto. first plan is to reread faust thoroughly, because he's been saying a lot lately that I've been just able to skim. he feels scummy and I dig some of the points made against him, but for someone with minimal heat on him D1 the wagon D2 took off so quick it might be scum driven, as though scum decided against NKing town!faust and instead planned to pile on out of the gate to try to get him lynched D2.

that seems likely

[Swowl]

Is anyone else feeling this PPS gambit though? Regardless of if we should vote for him, I would like to hear comments on the theory.

Making weird unnecessary claims is definitely a scum!PPS trait.

I recall being a SK Cop, getting a scum result, claiming it, getting killed for claiming the result (not for being sk), and the scum surviving the game.

That was my first game!

You got killed because people asked you to claim your role and spent like 3 IRL days hedging on what your role would be, then when you claimed it, and it was sorta absurd sounding.

what game is this referring to?

[iguanaiguana]

Is anyone else feeling this PPS gambit though? Regardless of if we should vote for him, I would like to hear comments on the theory.

Making weird unnecessary claims is definitely a scum!PPS trait.

I recall being a SK Cop, getting a scum result, claiming it, getting killed for claiming the result (not for being sk), and the scum surviving the game.

That was my first game!

You got killed because people asked you to claim your role and spent like 3 IRL days hedging on what your role would be, then when you claimed it, and it was sorta absurd sounding.

what game is this referring to?

It doesn't really matter but RMM28. It's just an example of a weird scum PPS gambit. For some reason PPS thinks it makes him town this game.

[SpaceAnemone]

I am assuming the NZ is supposed to mean Neighborizer? Please don't make your posts cryptic like that if you can avoid it.

You assumed it so I am going to guess people will get it

I had to go back and read the setup post to remind myself what the range of things it could mean was.

Same!

(And I'm still catching up with the rest of the thread)

[SpaceAnemone]

I think we have the opportunity to let another data point or two accumulate on space before deciding on him.

?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I think we have the opportunity to let another data point or two accumulate on space before deciding on him.

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PPS. I know you are not a him

[SpaceAnemone]

I think we have the opportunity to let another data point or two accumulate on space before deciding on him.

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PPS. I know you are not a him

Thanks! I knew there was something not quite adding up :-P

[SpaceAnemone]

Question: is it Datswan and Galz who're good friends IRL? Could that incentivise one of them to want to take the other out, if they're on opposite factions? And if so, would killing Galz be a good move for scum to frame Swan a bit, under the assumption that one of us will point that out eventually?

[SpaceAnemone]

Okay, yes, I've answered my own question: TWM pointed out the "twinclaim" thing early on.

[SpaceAnemone]

Okay, so I'm kind of suspicious of TWM, and the suspicions have developed in parallel to the stuff faust posted earlier, because I did a bit of wagon-gazing before catching up with the more recent posts.

[SpaceAnemone]

Apparently I open posts with "okay" when thinking! I'll take some time to put together an actual set of observations now...

[SpaceAnemone]

Thing 1: TWM plants the twinclaim thing early in D1. There's motivation for any player to want to know about stuff like that, but the fact he's clearly aware of it, and aware that it ought to be in town's minds later in the game, means he's someone who might think to kill Galz or Swan partly as a framing exercise.

Thing 2: TWM's D1 voting patterns are opportunistic, and he spends most of his time on semi-popular wagons with 2-4 votes. He was the first vote on my wagon, but he voted immediately in response to mcmc pushing a case against me, and TWM knows I'm a common mislynch, so I don't give him any originality points for that pioneering vote.

Thing 3: Galz has town!SC and prob-town!PPS on his tail for a while.. the other three juggling around on that wagon are faust, Teproc and TWM, but I think there are more instances where it's just TWM and some towns. And I feel a wagon like that would usually attract scums, if there aren't any scums on it already. Yes, it's possible PPS is just white-knighting me, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for D2.

Thing 4: The off-on thing with the SC vote at the end of the day is far from ideal. The hammer came with 30 mins to go, and I was clearly available to hammer if needed, so arguments about

And the more recent thing 5: faust has been pointing a finger at TWM. If this is town!faust, good we're spotting the same stuff. If this is scum!faust, good, because I think he's more likely than most players to make decent cases against partners, so I don't think TWM is a bad place to park a vote.

Vote: TWM

[SpaceAnemone]

Homework for me for tomorrow: Teproc needs more attention.

[SpaceAnemone]

Here again now. I'm still in the office and it's almost midnight.. this hasn't been my day!

Exciting to under rather less suspicion than D1. I can confirm I'm 100% town :-) I still feel I'm a slightly odd target compared to Faust/Robz/mcmc, but I don't think I mind PPS's stated reasoning.

That is a scummy thing to say, why say it?

1) Because it's the truth, and I'm like that.

2) I try never to let it go past 24 hours without posting in a game I'm active in, though work and social commitments frequently make that hard.

3) I was aware that PPS had claimed a townie investigative result on me, therefore I felt that I'd be letting town down by being absent and disengaged, because engaged prob!town people are a useful asset.

4) My slight expression of doubt about PPS gives analytical townies a small amount of additional information.

5) I was legitimately too tired to post anything more detailed because I'd just worked a 14-hour day with barely any break, and desk snacks instead of nutritious food.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Thing 1 is the most super lame reason to be suspicious of someone ever. I demand you recant or I won't take the rest of your case seriously and will not read it further.

[iguanaiguana]

I agree that thing 1 is nothing,  but you should read the rest,  it's good.

Vote: TWM

[SpaceAnemone]

Thing 1 is the most super lame reason to be suspicious of someone ever. I demand you recant or I won't take the rest of your case seriously and will not read it further.

It's okay, I wasn't expecting to persuade you to vote for yourself anyway, so it's only really important for other people to read my thoughts :-P

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Thing 1 is the most super lame reason to be suspicious of someone ever. I demand you recant or I won't take the rest of your case seriously and will not read it further.

It's okay, I wasn't expecting to persuade you to vote for yourself anyway, so it's only really important for other people to read my thoughts :-P

Cool.

Let's get this out of the way. I am a PR and targeted Cuzz last night as breadcrumbed. Make out of that what you will.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

And to preemptively answer why I am claiming now.

One: I know my skillet and it isn't getting people off my wagon when it is rolling and I already have four votes

Second: derphammers and quick lynches are still a thing. I could be dead within 24 hours

Third: I am suspicious of iguana and PPS given that they are apparently PRs as well and it is getting very crowded with them plus Galz and any others that might be as well. I'll reveal what my real PR is when they do. Even willing to go before, but immediately, before them.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

It isn't an option today, but I will be voting for Cuzz tomorrow.

Breadcrumb

[The_Wine_Merchant]

5 members viewing when I posted but come back 15 minutes later and no new posts. Scum trying  to mull over how to respond?

[Cuzz]

Thing 1 is the most super lame reason to be suspicious of someone ever. I demand you recant or I won't take the rest of your case seriously and will not read it further.

It's okay, I wasn't expecting to persuade you to vote for yourself anyway, so it's only really important for other people to read my thoughts :-P

Cool.

Let's get this out of the way. I am a PR and targeted Cuzz last night as breadcrumbed. Make out of that what you will.

Cool, and you’ll now be confirming me as town for everyone, or what? Except you already voted for me today so maybe explain what the hell you’re talking about

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Thing 1 is the most super lame reason to be suspicious of someone ever. I demand you recant or I won't take the rest of your case seriously and will not read it further.

It's okay, I wasn't expecting to persuade you to vote for yourself anyway, so it's only really important for other people to read my thoughts :-P

Cool.

Let's get this out of the way. I am a PR and targeted Cuzz last night as breadcrumbed. Make out of that what you will.

Cool, and you’ll now be confirming me as town for everyone, or what? Except you already voted for me today so maybe explain what the hell you’re talking about

I'll full claim when PPs and iguana do. But my vote on you is reasonable given my knowledge.

[iguanaiguana]

Lolwut.

[Cuzz]

Thing 1 is the most super lame reason to be suspicious of someone ever. I demand you recant or I won't take the rest of your case seriously and will not read it further.

It's okay, I wasn't expecting to persuade you to vote for yourself anyway, so it's only really important for other people to read my thoughts :-P

Cool.

Let's get this out of the way. I am a PR and targeted Cuzz last night as breadcrumbed. Make out of that what you will.

Cool, and you’ll now be confirming me as town for everyone, or what? Except you already voted for me today so maybe explain what the hell you’re talking about

I'll full claim when PPs and iguana do. But my vote on you is reasonable given my knowledge.

I cannot fathom what you possibly could think you’ve discovered although I can fathom why you might tease a fake result on someone with a somewhat substantial D1 wagon, and then withhold a claim until you’ve outed two PRs.

Vote: TWM