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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #200 on: July 07, 2017, 05:57:23 am »

my responses are inside this big quote... sorry.
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #201 on: July 07, 2017, 09:03:02 am »

Anyway, I am not fine with voting for me, don't do this, it may be really harmful for us all.

vote: lalight
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #202 on: July 07, 2017, 09:09:58 am »

Anyway, I am not fine with voting for me, don't do this, it may be really harmful for us all.

vote: lalight

yeah, sure
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #203 on: July 07, 2017, 09:13:02 am »

To effectively use my powers I should be as high as possible (insert joke here)
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #204 on: July 07, 2017, 09:33:12 am »

To effectively use my powers I should be as high as possible (insert joke here)

And we should believe you (or anyone making this claim) why?
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #205 on: July 07, 2017, 09:37:10 am »

To effectively use my powers I should be as high as possible (insert joke here)

And we should believe you (or anyone making this claim) why?

I am not telling it to make you believe it, I am telling this because this is how it is in reality
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #206 on: July 07, 2017, 09:38:30 am »

you either believe me and don't vote for me, or don't believe me and vote for me. This is how mafia works.

I can claim and prove I am town but only the next day :(
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #207 on: July 07, 2017, 11:15:44 am »

LaLight does not seem scummy.
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #208 on: July 07, 2017, 12:04:12 pm »

LaLight does not seem scummy.

Agreed. LaLight mentioned having knowledge of a mission upon which with his presence it automatically fails and speculated if everyone had similar. I can say that I am informed of a mission that will fail with me on it. I'm not sure if this was any basis for suspicion on LaLight but it should not be. I also recall someone specifically saying they should not be on the first proposed party. My expecattion at this point is that all town have specific missions that fail with them on it.
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #209 on: July 07, 2017, 12:08:09 pm »

The game can be won by town without ever lynching someone. This means, I guess, that either there is a vig, or some missions kill scum on them. More thoughts here would be appreciated.
This reads like scum trying to root out the dangerous PRs.

These were my thoughts on how can we win without a lynch. I didn't want vig to claim or something, I was trying to build a dialogue, naybe I missed something.

No Lynch here is good, because we will have more time to execute more missions and try to PoE by sending scum on missions and see if they fail or not. But! There is a little WIFOM here, because I for one, know that there is a mission which will automatically fail if I am on it. I wonder if everyone has the same. That's why I propose flavor claiming.
This reads like scum trying to push a no-lynch game so they can rely on an energy drain strategy.

Some people have already agreed No Lynch is a best course of action. We dont want to lower our chances by lynching town.

I think that scum has powers that directly influence ship's energy and also powers that can sabotage a mission.
Why do you think this?  Because you have such powers?
Really?
I am pretty sure it's just obvious that we are not facing 1-shot ninja and 1-shot strongman.
I'm pretty sure the initial captain is not scum
Zero basis for this claim.
If you think I am captain you should know what basis I do have. But actually I thought that would be too scumbalanced if we have scum-captain. And yeah, I got that alignment is randomized.

we should be concerned about ship energy, but not too much.
We should be very concerned about ship energy, as it's a lose condition.  I'm scum reading anybody who says "Don't worry about energy!  It's fine!".  Pushing a "Don't lynch but also don't worry about energy" strategy is dangerous and anti-town.

What I meant as I have already pointed out and not once, that speaking about energy right then was pointless and harmful. We couldn't do anything about it at all other than direct claiming of powers. Now we have the mission and we can speak of is it good enough or not. But in the beginning of the game there's not anough info to speak about energy. And I didn't say "don't worry" as you can clearly see.

Sometimes Captain will have shitty choice of mission so it would be better to carry on the regular day. Or give a choice to the First Mate.
Will they?  I suppose it's possible, but this might also be you setting up some questionable mission choices down the line.
Setting up questionable mission choices? What does this mean?
There's also your slow participation afterwards until the moment you were voted.  That seems lurky to me, and I'm suspicious of lurky.
24 hours from the game start. I have real life, unfortunately, I am not 100% active 24/7. Yesterday I stayed at work for 3 hours more than I wanted to and, well, I worked. Then I came home and went to sleep, because my gf arrived today from another city and I was meeting her quite early. Now I am active.

Anyway, I am not fine with voting for me, don't do this, it may be really harmful for us all.

@pps, here's the case with my responses
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #210 on: July 07, 2017, 12:35:14 pm »

It doesn't look like your claim was being leveraged against you. That said, I am leveraging it for you, myself, and Teproc.
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #211 on: July 07, 2017, 12:47:59 pm »

I'm not the biggest fan of the CJ case on LaLight.  I think it was a well thought-out case, but I don't think it convinces me that LaLight is scum.
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #212 on: July 07, 2017, 01:59:47 pm »

I watched the first episode and I llllove it!

Gkrieg, you are very pretty! :)
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #213 on: July 07, 2017, 02:03:18 pm »

I watched the first episode and I llllove it!

Gkrieg, you are very pretty! :)

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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #214 on: July 07, 2017, 03:34:40 pm »

you either believe me and don't vote for me, or don't believe me and vote for me. This is how mafia works.

I can claim and prove I am town but only the next day :(


I'm not sure what you're saying here. You can be verified as town tomorrow? Or you can claim flavour/role and this will look like town?


Just to say that I'm going to be Limited Access for one week from tomorrow as I'm off on holiday, but should be able to read and post a minimum of twice a day. I'm very happy to hear arguments for unvoting or moving my vote, but they might need to come soon.
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #215 on: July 07, 2017, 03:37:25 pm »

you either believe me and don't vote for me, or don't believe me and vote for me. This is how mafia works.

I can claim and prove I am town but only the next day :(


I'm not sure what you're saying here. You can be verified as town tomorrow? Or you can claim flavour/role and this will look like town?


Just to say that I'm going to be Limited Access for one week from tomorrow as I'm off on holiday, but should be able to read and post a minimum of twice a day. I'm very happy to hear arguments for unvoting or moving my vote, but they might need to come soon.

Tomorrow means D2 by the way.

I just have the power that in my opinion is impossible for scum to have. But I can't do it now. Tomorrow is D2 btw.
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #216 on: July 07, 2017, 03:40:58 pm »

you either believe me and don't vote for me, or don't believe me and vote for me. This is how mafia works.

I can claim and prove I am town but only the next day :(


I'm not sure what you're saying here. You can be verified as town tomorrow? Or you can claim flavour/role and this will look like town?


Just to say that I'm going to be Limited Access for one week from tomorrow as I'm off on holiday, but should be able to read and post a minimum of twice a day. I'm very happy to hear arguments for unvoting or moving my vote, but they might need to come soon.

What do you think about my defence? I really want to convince you I'm town so we can move forward.
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #217 on: July 07, 2017, 03:52:14 pm »

Day 1 lasts until 14th July unless someone (scummily) hammers the mission vote.
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #218 on: July 07, 2017, 03:53:18 pm »

I just have the power that in my opinion is impossible for scum to have.

What part of alignment being randomly assigned are you refusing to acknowledge? Based on my understanding demonstration of town utility power is not going to be an alignment tell this game.
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #219 on: July 07, 2017, 04:06:49 pm »

I just have the power that in my opinion is impossible for scum to have.

What part of alignment being randomly assigned are you refusing to acknowledge? Based on my understanding demonstration of town utility power is not going to be an alignment tell this game.

I thought it was just the flavor names, and not the actual abilities.
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #220 on: July 07, 2017, 04:13:00 pm »

I thought it was just the flavor names, and not the actual abilities.

I would assume that each character has abilities designed to fit the flavor, especially considering that we know people can have powers that are negative utilities to their factions. And a towny role isn't even that bad for scum because they can use it for town cred.
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #221 on: July 07, 2017, 04:27:30 pm »

Looking at my flavor name and powers I would agree they look fitted to the flavor and balanced for either alignment to make use of. This squares well with the setup information that is pretty specific about this stuff. Demonstration of town utility is not an alignment tell. It looks to me like being informed of a mission that fails if you are on it might be a town tell but now that I pulled that band aid off claiming such doesn't carry any value added. Teproc and LaLight get credit for that from my perspective.
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #222 on: July 07, 2017, 04:31:16 pm »

I would put it this way: if scum had that power, it would be very unbalanced, that's what i think
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #223 on: July 07, 2017, 04:34:08 pm »

Also vote: Awaclus

As a mod and player looking at his play I always noticed that when Awaclus is scum, he suddenly makes a lot of sense, M101 and Bonkers British are the vividest proofs. Town!Awaclus goes by "scum shouldn't know what i think about different matters" and makes mostly informationless post until he catches someone on something he sees as scum slip. Reread M101, reread his posts from this game. Iguana would back me up on this, he told the same in M101 speccy.
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Re: RMM44: Firefly Mafia (D1)
« Reply #224 on: July 07, 2017, 05:22:47 pm »

As a mod and player looking at his play I always noticed that when Awaclus is scum, he suddenly makes a lot of sense, M101 and Bonkers British are the vividest proofs. Town!Awaclus goes by "scum shouldn't know what i think about different matters" and makes mostly informationless post until he catches someone on something he sees as scum slip. Reread M101, reread his posts from this game. Iguana would back me up on this, he told the same in M101 speccy.

And that's bullshit, as I would have told iguana too, had I been in that speccy. I make a lot of sense as both alignments, and I'm especially actively engaged in small and RMM setups. M101 was an example of a small setup, Bonkers British of an RMM, and this is both. Kubo and Blitz Strings was also a small setup and a town game for me, for the record.
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