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[Witherweaver]

Unvote

[Awaclus]

Wow guys! Look! More bad scum play. Must be town.

Uh, no, that is good town play. I don't want to tell the scum team how I'm going to vote at LyLo, regardless of who they are.

Stating whether or not you believe them now doesn't indicate how you will vote at lylo...

Well, if we get new information from today's lynch that changes if or not I believe them, then it doesn't. But otherwise, it does. Either way, I don't see it being beneficial in any way to do it.

on what grounds? Being on the ADK wagon? Pushing forward a lynch that you just stated was a good wagon to push forward?

I don't think that being on the ADK wagon is great because he self-voted, so there must be a reason why he didn't want any of the remaining players to be the one who hammers him. Gkrieg was a good wagon to push forward though, but that only means you don't particularly get any scum points for doing it, not that you do get town points.

[yuma]

I think it is a false premise to assume that because adk self voted there must be wagon on scum. But unless the scum team is you rr there was scum on the wagon. But not because he self voted. That would imply self voting was a good move. It wasn't. Self voting was really bad when he could have claimed it just wiggled out of it.

And I don't buss. At least I don't anymore. Ask axxle about the time it went horrible when I was partners with him... Adventure time. I think it was the first run through of this setup. Bussing sucks, especially day1

[Awaclus]

I think it is a false premise to assume that because adk self voted there must be wagon on scum. But unless the scum team is you rr there was scum on the wagon. But not because he self voted. That would imply self voting was a good move. It wasn't. Self voting was really bad when he could have claimed it just wiggled out of it.

And I don't buss. At least I don't anymore. Ask axxle about the time it went horrible when I was partners with him... Adventure time. I think it was the first run through of this setup. Bussing sucks, especially day1

ADK did self-vote, therefore we must assume that it was a good move.

I don't think that bussing sucks.

[Witherweaver]

We can't assume people play optimally. 

[Witherweaver]

We have copious evidence to the contrary.

[Awaclus]

We can't assume people play optimally.

No, that is precisely what we must do.

[Witherweaver]

Sigh

[Roadrunner7671]

Sigh

[yuma]

We can't assume people play optimally.

No, that is precisely what we must do.

Um... No. Self voting was bad. He would have lived had he claimed. Probably through the day. Hydrad and I both already stated we would have unvoted.

And I don't really care what you think of bussing. What I care is what matters. And I strongly dislike bussing.

[yuma]

Sigh

Why did you unvote?

[Witherweaver]

Sigh

Why did you unvote?

Mostly because RR is in this game.

[Roadrunner7671]

Sigh

Why did you unvote?

Mostly because RR is in this game.

RR, the guy who never hammers or puts people at L-1 or L-2 or L-16?

[Witherweaver]

Except for all those times when he did.

[Roadrunner7671]

Except for all those times when he did.

He's unpredictable, isn't he?
Oh, I guess that's why you unvoted.

[Awaclus]

Um... No. Self voting was bad.

Well, that confirms you as scum then, because town can't make that assumption.

[yuma]

Um... No. Self voting was bad.

Well, that confirms you as scum then, because town can't make that assumption.

can we just lynch this fool already?

[Awaclus]

Um... No. Self voting was bad.

Well, that confirms you as scum then, because town can't make that assumption.

can we just lynch this fool already?

If by "this fool" you mean yourself, sure.

[yuma]

take a poll?

Who thought self hammering was a good idea. People in the speccy QT... who thought it was a good idea? Seriously. Post in the speccy what you think, we can come back to it after the game.

no way, no how was self voting there a good move. It doesn't make me scum. It was a bad move. It isn't an assumption, it was a fact, or at the least I can guarantee that a significant majority of the fellow players (most of whom are town) and observers (who are neutral) feel the exact same way I do.

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sorry about that

[silverspawn]

I don't think it's 100% clear; he did cut the day shorter than we'd have liked it, so it did fulfill a purpose. But, like I said, I don't think it was worth the chance he still had to avoid a lynch. I wouldn't have done it.

[yuma]

sorry about that

I did change my picture thing. Thanks for noticing.

[silverspawn]

I'm fine with lynching Awaclus though. His defense is not exactly impressive.

[yuma]

And even regardless of why he did it, my opinion that it was a bad move in no way signifies my alignment. Awaclus in a far superior lynch to me in every conceivable way. I don't really think I am arguing with the people whose vote really matters though. Awaclus is just doing what awaclus does. Some people find it endearing. Sufficient to say that I do not.

[Awaclus]

no way, no how was self voting there a good move. It doesn't make me scum. It was a bad move. It isn't an assumption, it was a fact, or at the least I can guarantee that a significant majority of the fellow players (most of whom are town) and observers (who are neutral) feel the exact same way I do.

Then you should stop feeling that way. There is never any reason to expect anything less than optimal play from other players (applies to every game, not just Mafia). If a play looks like it's a bad play, you have to assume that it only looks like a bad play to you because that person knows something that you don't.