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[Seprix]

We have 3 days to lynch. We need to compile our options here and decide. Perhaps we all explain why we want to lynch a person. Personally, I really do think Faust is scum, but my vote won't do any good here, and for now, I'll unvote. We have Joseph, and anyone else who is particularly under the noose? I don't know anyone else. Maybe we can consider lynching the lurker. I don't know.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I haven't done a full reread yet but "we should lynch ADK because if you find me scummy then you should find him scummy because he has similar reads" is an astoundingly bad argument. If I vote joseph will I be hammering?

I'm kind of clutching at straws here. I agree the argument is weak from my perspective, but other people who think I'm scum might also think you're scum too, because our votes, arguments & reads have been pretty similar.

Although I realised now it's super-terrible argument, so let's lynch a lurker.

Vote: EgorK

Also, Request: Vote Count.

Do you think I'm scum?

[Witherweaver]

This is officially going into the "too scummy/wonky to be scum" territory. 

[Joseph2302]

We have 3 days, but it's Christmas, so lots of people (including myself) are away for lots of it. Maybe whilst I'm away, everyone will decide to kill scum instead of PR town.

Do you think I'm scum?

Not sure either way, but I was hoping other people would join in a wagon that wasn't me.

EgorK i think could well be scum, he's the lurkiest person without lots of V/LA excuses. If not him, then another lurker is scum.

[A Drowned Kernel]

We have 3 days, but it's Christmas, so lots of people (including myself) are away for lots of it. Maybe whilst I'm away, everyone will decide to kill scum instead of PR town.

Do you think I'm scum?

Not sure either way, but I was hoping other people would join in a wagon that wasn't me.

EgorK i think could well be scum, he's the lurkiest person without lots of V/LA excuses. If not him, then another lurker is scum.

The unfortunate problem is that EgorK lurks a lot as either alignment.

[Joseph2302]

We have 3 days, but it's Christmas, so lots of people (including myself) are away for lots of it. Maybe whilst I'm away, everyone will decide to kill scum instead of PR town.

Do you think I'm scum?

Not sure either way, but I was hoping other people would join in a wagon that wasn't me.

EgorK i think could well be scum, he's the lurkiest person without lots of V/LA excuses. If not him, then another lurker is scum.

The unfortunate problem is that EgorK lurks a lot as either alignment.

Still, I don't like the fact the scum lurk generally. So if we lynch a lurker, then it will discourage lurking, which is good.

[sudgy]

Joseph, do you realize that we probably won't get your shot if you aren't lynched, and we will get your shot if you are lynched?

[chairs]

The longer we go on, the more I want to lynch Joseph...

until

Joseph, do you realize that we probably won't get your shot if you aren't lynched, and we will get your shot if you are lynched?

vote: sudgy for believing Joseph isn't lying -but- still suggesting that means we should lynch him. If you believe Joseph is town, it is a mistake to lynch him.

[EgorK]

I actually start to like Joseph lynch after some thought. I think unexpirienced player is more likely to claim PR as scum. Also his PR likely would not be wasted even if he is town

Vote count please?

[Seprix]

Egork and Sudgy, you're both acting very scummy. We can't dive into bitter arguments and accusations. Joseph is all but innocent, because he has everything to lose and nothing to gain by claiming PR role so quickly, and I am inclined to believe Silverspawn's analysis, which confirms pro-town stance for him in my eyes too. As for everyone else, ADK, Awaclus, Wither, Hydrad, Chairs, and Ashersky all seem neutral or scummy and towny at the same time.

Faust still seems like a lynch for me, but I'm starting to question my reasoning for the lynch right now, so I'd say he's probably safe right now. Egork has been lurking most of the time, but he usually does that. Sudgy did post the post that made me think he and Faust were scum, and since Sudgy is still thought of as scum for me, I think I'm going to revote for Vote: Sudgy as of now.

[Witherweaver]

The longer we go on, the more I want to lynch Joseph...

until

Joseph, do you realize that we probably won't get your shot if you aren't lynched, and we will get your shot if you are lynched?

vote: sudgy for believing Joseph isn't lying -but- still suggesting that means we should lynch him. If you believe Joseph is town, it is a mistake to lynch him.

I like this, Sudgy's wording accepts Joseph's claim as true.

Vote: Sudgy

[Awaclus]

If you believe Joseph is town, it is a mistake to lynch him.

Great, finally a clear answer.

I re-read Joseph without Silverspawn's assistance earlier, and I came to the same conclusion as he did, pretty much — I don't think the evidence suggests that Joseph is scum. My favorite lynches right now are faust, sudgy and ashersky. I don't remember why I thought that ashersky was scummy though. Might have been that flavor thing, so it's definitely possible I'll change my opinion about him after I have re-read everything, which I definitely should do. Vote: faust for now.

[Witherweaver]

Why Faust?  If it's just his treatment of Joseph, I think he would make this kind of argument as either town or scum.  Maybe slightly more likely to make it as scum, but definitely not outside of town meta.

[Seprix]

Moderator, would you be so as kind as to show off the vote count?

[sudgy]

The longer we go on, the more I want to lynch Joseph...

until

Joseph, do you realize that we probably won't get your shot if you aren't lynched, and we will get your shot if you are lynched?

vote: sudgy for believing Joseph isn't lying -but- still suggesting that means we should lynch him. If you believe Joseph is town, it is a mistake to lynch him.

I was saying that in his eyes.  I still think he's scum.

Egork and Sudgy, you're both acting very scummy.

Why?  Can you say what it is?

[Witherweaver]

Huh?  Then what's the point you were making to Joseph?

[Awaclus]

Why Faust?  If it's just his treatment of Joseph, I think he would make this kind of argument as either town or scum.  Maybe slightly more likely to make it as scum, but definitely not outside of town meta.

Well, I don't know faust's meta.

[Seprix]

Why?  Can you say what it is?

vote: sudgy for believing Joseph isn't lying -but- still suggesting that means we should lynch him. If you believe Joseph is town, it is a mistake to lynch him.

[Awaclus]

Perhaps vote: sudgy is better.

[2.71828.....]

Christmas is almost upon us, and we still have no clue who the saboteurs are!  "I do!" Someone shouted from the game table. "It is me!  I just King's Courted all my saboteurs!  Trash ALL the Provinces!"

That's not what I meant!  But I appreciate that you all are busy finding the real impostor and not just playing games...we can play games at our party, but we have to have one first!

Vote Count 1.6

silverspawn (1) : ashersky,
Joseph2302 (4) : faust, Hydrad, sudgy, A Drowned Kernel
seprix (1) : EgorK
EgorK (1) : Joseph2302
sudgy (4) : chairs, Seprix, Witherweaver, Awaclus

Not Voting (1): silverspawn

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 will last 10 days.

The deadline for Day 1 will be Saturday, December 27 at 6:30 pm forum time.

[Joseph2302]

V/LA Christmas & Boxing Day all day (will probably be back some point on Boxing Day).

In forum times, this means I'm busy from about 5pm Forum time today for 48ish hours. Might be able to post in 24ish hrs.

This is effective from now. I will definite be around for the deadline though.

[EgorK]

For people in here who do observe Old New Year (Jan 14th), when is Boxing day?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Dec. 26th, the day after Christmas.

[faust]

This is officially going into the "too scummy/wonky to be scum" territory.

I don't think that argument is valid for newbies. Newbie scum can play exceptionally scummy.

[faust]

I don't like that sudgy wagon at all. What chairs pointed out was really nothing scummy, but somehow it managed to draw a lot of votes.