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[WalrusMcFishSr]

MOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRGRIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

[ashersky]

Oh no!  WalrusMcFishSr, the Werewolf Compulsive D2 Suicide Bomber, has detonated his bomb!  He was channeling the spirit of Voltaire.  He's taken Twistedarcher, the Vanilla Townie with him!  Twistedarcher was channeling the spirit of Galzria.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.2:

Walrus (1): Voltaire1

On Day 2, with 12 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

[Dsell]

This is weird.










I love it.

[sudgy]

Everybody, don't panic!  I think Jimmmmm is town.

Before posting, please post your top three highest scumreads.

How do we do this before posting.....?  We have to post to do it.

[faust]

Vote Count 2.2:

Walrus (1): Voltaire1

On Day 2, with 12 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

It would be really helpful to see who is still alive in these vote counts.

[faust]

Everybody, don't panic!  I think Jimmmmm is town.

Before posting, please post your top three highest scumreads.

How do we do this before posting.....?  We have to post to do it.

Lying scum!

Vote: Jimmmmm

[Eevee]

im sorry for all this lurking, I don't mean to!

I have absolutely no idea what's going on, though.

[2.71828.....]

im sorry for all this lurking, I don't mean to!

I have absolutely no idea what's going on, though.

I don't think anyone has any clue about what is going on.  Except the suicide bombers seemed pretty confident.

[2.71828.....]

well this day started with a boom

[Jimmmmm]

Okay, plan part 2. I need three people to each name five roles and/or powers listed on the mafiascum wiki. You may or may not have one of these roles.

It's not like people are actually going to do it.

[Voltaire]

I told you there were at least two factions. I would say this makes TA scummy but now he's dead town.

[2.71828.....]

Players:
1.  Dsell
2.  sudgy
3.  Voltaire
4.  Voltgloss
5.  mail-mi
6.  Eevee
7.  Jimmmmm
8.  xeiron - Voltgloss, the Mafia Janitor - Destroyed by magic on Night 1
9.  2.7....
10.  Chairs - Morgrim7, the Mafia Suicidal Goon - Lynched Day 1
11.  EFHW
12.  WalrusMcFishSr - Voltaire, the Werewolf Compulsive D2 Suicide Bomber - Self-detonated Day 2
13.  Robz888 - shraeye, the Mafia Compulsive D2 Suicide Bomber - Self-detonated Day 2
14.  Twistedarcher - Galzria, the Vanilla Townie - Bombed by WalrusMcFishSr D2
15.  liopoil
16.  Morgrim7 - mail-mi, the redacted role - Bombed by Robz888 D2
17.  mcmcsalot
18.  faust

All right, so D2 starts and this is what we have. 

12 alive people 1.  Dsell 2.  sudgy 3.  Voltaire 4.  Voltgloss 5.  mail-mi 6.  Eevee 7.  Jimmmmm 8. 9.  2.7.... 10. 11.  EFHW 12. 13. 14. 15.  liopoil 16. 17.  mcmcsalot 18.  faust

14 player metas still alive 1.  Dsell 2.  sudgy 3. 4. 5. 6.  Eevee 7.  Jimmmmm 8.  xeiron 9.  2.7.... 10.  Chairs 11.  EFHW 12.  WalrusMcFishSr 13.  Robz888 14.  Twistedarcher 15.  liopoil 16. 17.  mcmcsalot 18.  faust

dead non-player metas shraeye Galzria

So the question in my mind is how many more non-player metas are out there?  Being relatively new, I think it is kind of pointless to vote for me, since it is clear Ash used more well-known metas.  So who do we have out there that could possibly be used?  Look at the dead metas: Voltgloss, Morgrim7, shraeye, Galzria, Voltaire, mail-mi.

So the chance that a well-known meta will go through for a lynch: 78.3%
I come to this conclusion with conclusive evidence based on a wide variety of things.
1) Let's say there are 23 veteran metas that Ash chose from
2) There are 18 players that he had to choose metas for.
3) 18/23 is about 78.3%

So by the all the laws of averages that I know, this is irrefutable proof that we will most likely get a lynch from voting well-known players.  Now which one.  My formula from D1 was almost right (I landed on Walrus who was a suicide bomber-I mean, had we lynched him it would have saved a life) so with just a little bit of change I think I can come up with a fool-proof lynch.

((# of players)-(# of dead players)+(number of total posts))/(# of posts by Ashersky) +/- 2.71828=player we lynch.

so (18+6+535)/(74)=7.55405405
+2.718= about 10 so vote: chairs
-2.718= about 5 so vote: jotheonah (modded the 5th BM game)

[faust]

So TA was a VT, huh? I guess there actually is town in this setup...

[Jimmmmm]

So TA was a VT, huh? I guess there actually is town in this setup...

SCUUUUUUMSLIIIIIIIIP!

[Voltaire]

So TA was a VT, huh? I guess there actually is town in this setup...

SCUUUUUUMSLIIIIIIIIP!

I don't think it counts as a slip when it's claimed!

[2.71828.....]

We're doing alignment claims? That's great, I'm scum.

Vote: Morgrim
Vote: mail-mi

And look! he must have had special scummy knowledge to put down his first vote morgrim, and then his second vote for morgrim's meta

[EFHW]

Ok, here are all faust's posts.  Can anyone id the meta?

Wooo, I'm first! Vote: yuma Vote: mail-mi

Vote Count 1.1:
yuma (1): faust
mail-mi (1): faust
Voters: Dsell, sudgy, Voltaire, Voltgloss, mail-mi, Eevee, Jimmmmm, xeiron, 2.7, chairs, EFHW, WalrusMcFishSr, Robz888, Twistedarcher, liopoil, Morgrim7, mcmcsalot, faust, [redacted]
On Day 1, it takes 9 to lynch.
Day 1 ends on November 20 at 4:18 p.m.

Shouldn't the vote counts somehow specify which of the votes is the first and which the second? That doesn't get clear from this.

Vote Count 1.2:
yuma (1): faust1
mail-mi (1): faust2
chairs (1): chairs1
ashersky (1): chairs2
Dsell (1): Dsell1
Voters: Dsell, sudgy, Voltaire, Voltgloss, mail-mi, Eevee, Jimmmmm, xeiron, 2.7, chairs, EFHW, WalrusMcFishSr, Robz888, Twistedarcher, liopoil, Morgrim7, mcmcsalot, faust, [redacted]
On Day 1, it takes 9 to lynch.
Day 1 ends on November 20 at 4:18 p.m.

I think that, for clarity's sake, the vote counts should include who is not voting, and who is only voting with one vote. So I suggest adding the following:
Not voting: Dsell1, sudgy1, sudgy2, Voltaire1, Voltaire2, Voltgloss1, Voltgloss2, mail-mi1, mail-mi2, Eevee1, Eevee2, Jimmmmm1, Jimmmmm2, xeiron1, xeiron2, 2.71, 2.72, EFHW1, EFHW2, WalrusMcFishSr1, WalrusMcFishSr2, Robz8881, Robz8882, Twistedarcher1, Twistedarcher2, liopoil1, liopoil2, Morgrim71, Morgrim72, mcmcsalot1, mcmcsalot2, [redacted]1, [redacted]2

There's also a slight problem with the 1,2-notation when it comes to 2.7...

All of you should know that I will have an extended VLA tomorrow morning (forum time) due to university stuff that I need to take care of.

Yes, Really.  I think everyone should sheep me.

Your wish is my command!  Vote: sparky5856 even though I've never met the guy.

Met meaning talked to directly on the forums, or met in person?

I have done neither, and what I meant is up to you to decide.

Vote Count 1.3:
mail-mi (1): faust1
ashersky (1): walrus1
Dsell (2): Dsell1, Morgrim2
shraeye (2): walrus2, mail-mi1
Morgrim7 (1): Voltaire1
sparky5856 (3): xeiron1, faust2, mail-mi2
Voltgloss (2): chairs1, Morgrim1
EFHW (1): chairs2
On Day 1, it takes 9 to lynch.
Day 1 ends on November 20 at 4:18 p.m.

This is even worse than last time, now it doesn't even show the voters!

Important thing to note:
Normally, we don't want to bring someone up to L-1 incase someone hammers. In this case, since we all have two votes, we cannot bring anyone up to L-2, incase someone hammers.
Do not bring someone up to L-2 until I say it's okay. Anyone who doesn't follow this is announcing that they are scum.

I will not follow this.

Doesn't matter if you like it or not. It's better for town, and you know I have good intentions.

You're clearly scum for not voting for me.

Vote: Twistedarcher

Unvote: Twistedarcher  Vote: yuma

I support Voltaire's plan. Everyone should remember not to include their own meta when making the list though; this could result in a modkill.

I think we should make a list of all the players and their metas. It will make voting and night actions a lot easier.

I disagree with this plan. I will policy vote anyone who attempts to make a list of all metas.

How are you even going to policy vote without having a list of metas telling you who you need to vote for?

I think we should make a list of all the players and their metas. It will make voting and night actions a lot easier.

I disagree with this plan. I will policy vote anyone who attempts to make a list of all metas.

But scum can make a list on their own together at night anyway. I think that this should help even the playing field.
Also I like the sparky idea. vote: sparky

That's L-3! Can we get 3 more people on this?

ok, I'll sheep vote: Sparky

L-1! Sparky, if you're out there, do you want to claim? Oh wait, right... this will get you modkilled. Someone want to hammer?

We need another vote count with all that's happening. preferably one that is actually accurate and shows all the relevant information.

If Insomniacs meta is scum, he is bussing today. Got that?

Except he can't bus because he doesn't know the metas of his scum partners.

yea I like the list thing, vote: mcmcsalot vote: robz888 should we be voting random people or people not voted in vote counts already?

You should vote for sparky.  PPE: what mail-mi said.

Scum can't talk about it with each other either! They are no better off than town! On the contrary, making a list, even if we thought we could get close to being accurate, just tells scum who to target with their kills. I don't know, I don't think it's a good idea. It helps with lynching, maybe, and I suppose there is more to analyze if scum is deliberately choosing their targets rather than guessing, but I don't support it.

Blah blah blah there are lots of good reasons to support this list for town and none against it, but I don't support it.

We're doing alignment claims? That's great, I'm scum.  I think it would have been nice if the mods had agreed how to handle the lynch of a meta not in the game pre-game. The way it is now, the vote counts are just confusing.  Vote: Morgrim  Vote: mail-mi

Very interesting game, we are so separated from actually knowing how to vote someone out mafia claiming doesn't instantly kill them.

Yeah, but even if faust isnt scum, but he himself (his own person) is obviously scummy enough to claim scum, which means whoever is assigned his meta must definitely be scum because of this scummy behavior.

Vote: Jimmmmm

Very interesting game, we are so separated from actually knowing how to vote someone out mafia claiming doesn't instantly kill them.

Hey, I didn't claim mafia, I claimed scum! Can't you read?

Anyone up for playing "follow the scum"?

Now I can do the scummy thing! Vote: Morgrim

Vote Count 2.2:]
Walrus (1): Voltaire1
On Day 2, with 12 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

It would be really helpful to see who is still alive in these vote counts.

[ashersky]

Post more, people.

[ashersky]

And don't forget Rule #10.

[Voltaire]

Ok, here are all faust's posts.  Can anyone id the meta?

It's extremely difficult for me to tell. Looking at 2.7's list and taking out the ones I have figured out I would guess he could be somewhere in Dsell, Jimmmmm, Robz888, Twistedarcher, liopoil, or faust. I think Robz and lio are the most likely.

huge town points to EFHW for trying to figure out who the claimed scum is. unvote: Walrus. I think I should vote: Robz and vote: liopoil then.

[Dsell]

I'm down with a Vote: Dsell. Sure thing.

[Dsell]

Also! I noticed something reading old threads, it's a quote (from me, incidentally) about how the biggest piece of Insomniac's meta is that he'll will bus anyone at any time, including scumbuddies, including day one, and he totally loves it. So I could definitely see scum being in this game with Insomniac's meta and being forced to bus a partner day one. The only hitch is that they couldn't know what their partner's meta is, so maybe they had to vote for the meta of their partner, see what I mean? So like Morgrim and Shraeye are scumbuddies. Shraeye has Insomniac's meta, so he has to vote for Morgrim (or another scumbuddy) day one. Except he's actually voting for their meta, which could be on either a townie or mafia.

Does that make any sense?

Anyway, vote: Insomniac.

[mcmcsalot]

Really crazy stuff going down, this is the kind of bm game I like. Once I'm home I'll give this a reread and post some thoughts.

[EFHW]

Ok, here are all faust's posts.  Can anyone id the meta?

It's extremely difficult for me to tell. Looking at 2.7's list and taking out the ones I have figured out I would guess he could be somewhere in Dsell, Jimmmmm, Robz888, Twistedarcher, liopoil, or faust. I think Robz and lio are the most likely.

huge town points to EFHW for trying to figure out who the claimed scum is. unvote: Walrus. I think I should vote: Robz and vote: liopoil then.

I was actually thinking the "blah, blah, blah" could be you!  Do you complain a lot about vote counts?  If not, who does?