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[gkrieg13]

vote: yuma

L-1 I believe

[Haddock]

vote: yuma

L-1 I believe

I think someone should unvote.  We need to actually take some time to think about this claim, you don't just autolynch someone who has claimed. 

[Haddock]

That said, I think it's a pretty bad claim.  If you're going to claim a PR, claim all the way, so we can make use of it.  Otherwise you're just going to get NKd anyway.

[yuma]

I see I am at L-1, haven't read anything other than that. can't respond now. But will when a bit more free. At least unvote guys. Seriously.

[yuma]

vote: yuma

L-1 I believe

Quick catch up in parking lot of hardware store. I hate phone posting. Might just stop until I have Internet on Monday. Ugh. I don't know how people do it.

I think you were already voting for me. I counted Faust, rr gkreig and ww.

I have reasons for claiming like I did. I think ash and SS will both recognize why. I don't want to explain more obviously. But might if I really need to. But at least wait til ash and SS come in. Have to say gkreig is coming off super scummy from this.

[yuma]

Prob last post in a while. Really busy with projects today. But again fds stupid derp hammers so let's at least talk before doing something super stupid.

[Haddock]

Yeah I think this is only L-2, yuma's earlier post confused me.  But it's my vote count plus 1, which is 4 votes, only L-2.  Ignore my request for an unvote.

[silverspawn]

if gkrieg was already voting for you, then his move was fine. otherwise, wtf.

not sure what I'm supposed to say... I don't think you should full claim.

[Roadrunner7671]

Yuma's claim is scummy.

[Haddock]

if gkrieg was already voting for you, then his move was fine. otherwise, wtf.

He had been on Hydrad, his vote on yuma is only L-2 though.  Confusion about vote numbers can be forgiven, the last official count was a while back.

RR and yuma both now at L-2.

I can't claim to understand why this partial claim is better than a full claim, but I could believe there are reasons.  I'll try to figure it out.

[Witherweaver]

Yuma's claim is scummy.

Why?

[Roadrunner7671]

Yuma's claim is scummy.

Why?

He's covering all his bases so the real people don't step up and say something. I would post more but I'm busy.

[Awaclus]

In other news, having a look through I found these two:

In case it's not obvious, yuma's post was why I wanted to unvote RR, and voting Haddock was because I don't like just unvoting without voting for someone else if there's time to think about who I want to vote for next.

and

Who's the scummiest person?

Haddock.

Is it me or are these two statements pretty contradictory?  He says I'm just a placeholder vote and then claims that I'm the scummiest person here.  (Which, btw, seriously?  There are some gut reads on me at the moment, but can Awa honestly find me scummier than everyone else? I don't get it.)  There's some time difference there, but it's not like Awa says anything about me in the meantime.  This being Awa I guess it's not really an alignment tell, but it is pretty weird.  I mean one of these statements has to be false.

You were the placeholder because you were the scummiest person at the time, and you still are.

[Awaclus]

I'm inclined to believe yuma's claim. There's a reason to not claim which one of those three he is, and I think he's towny anyway.

[Haddock]

You were the placeholder because you were the scummiest person at the time, and you still are.

Whatever.  Whatever your reasons, they're not good enough; but I don't expect an explanation from you of all people.

[Awaclus]

You were the placeholder because you were the scummiest person at the time, and you still are.

Whatever.  Whatever your reasons, they're not good enough; but I don't expect an explanation from you of all people.

It's not up to you to decide if my reasons are good enough. What is up to you is to give me good enough reasons to stop voting you.

[EFHW]

I'm at Ucon, vote count at a break.

[Haddock]

It's not up to you to decide if my reasons are good enough. What is up to you is to give me good enough reasons to stop voting you.

I'm town, therefore your reasons are not good enough.  Obviously, you can vote me, and if I could be bothered I would try to convince you not to.  But that is destined to be completely futile, knowing you.

[Awaclus]

I'm town, therefore your reasons are not good enough.  Obviously, you can vote me, and if I could be bothered I would try to convince you not to.  But that is destined to be completely futile, knowing you.

The only way it's completely futile is that you're scum.

[Haddock]

The only way it's completely futile is that you're scum.

It's futile because you're you.  You decide something, nothing will change your mind.  Fortunately you're not the only one who gets to decide.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Haddock

[Awaclus]

The only way it's completely futile is that you're scum.

It's futile because you're you.  You decide something, nothing will change your mind.  Fortunately you're not the only one who gets to decide.

That's demonstrably false. For example, earlier this day, yuma did an excellent job of convincing me that RR is town.

[Haddock]

vote: Haddock

gkrieg, I expect votes without explanations from Awa, but this is your third unexplained vote, can you give reasons for any of them?

[Haddock]

That's demonstrably false. For example, earlier this day, yuma did an excellent job of convincing me that RR is town.

So I could convince you that I'm town by having someone spend an entire day arguing that I'm scum?  Sounds legit.

[yuma]

if gkrieg was already voting for you, then his move was fine. otherwise, wtf.

not sure what I'm supposed to say... I don't think you should full claim.

You don't need to say anything necessarily. I simply think that you and ash might be more inclined, as you both tend to focus more on theory and setup talk than some others, to see why I might claim as a PR this way. And if you could see that at state there is a viable reason that would lend more credence to it than me simply stating it on my own.

Awaclus already I think understands the idea.