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[Robz888]

I am calling a Dylan / Space / gkrieg scum team.

[Dylan32]

I am calling a Dylan / Space / gkrieg scum team.

OMGUS much?  I mean of course you have to try to convince everyone I am scum in order to save the game for the scum team, no surprise there, but you can't really expect people to believe that if you were telling the truth, the first two people that would doubt you would be the other two scum? That would be absurd and one of the weakest scum plays ever if that were the case.

[SpaceAnemone]

Also for mass claim to move forward I'm VT

As am I.

[Eevee]

Catching up! Wowwow. Seems like we have our lynch pool for today.

Ok. Night one I tried to Jailkeep McG, because if he was a scum PR I wanted him blocked, but if he was town I wanted him alive. However, I am a treasure card which is what McG claimed, and so I didn't expect it to succeed but I had no idea what else to do, so I tried anyway.  I targeted you last night because with Cop dead, PPS dead, and myself, and possibly a doc, based on PPS I guessed you were a scum PR.

Just checking that I understand what you are saying, you jailed McG hoping he was scum and had lied about his card type, or you weren't aware of the card type restriction?

[Eevee]

I am a Jailkeeper.

I jailed Dylan on Night 1, because he seemed kind of townie and I wanted to protect him, but also he didn't garner much suspicion so it's possible he would be scum doing the night kill, if scum. I am the same card type as McEFHW so trying to protect the claimed doctor was never a possibility.

Last night I didn't really consider jailing PPS because I thought McEFHW would protect him and I also didn't want to block his night action. It didn't seem like there was any particularly good choice, I thought scum would be shooting McEFHW if McEFHW was for real, and there's nothing I could do to stop that except jail the shooter. I picked RR.

As for Robz, both these targets match how I'd use the role, and Robz's reluctance to claim makes sense if he is the jailkeeper. I actually think this is very tough because scum can go for bold moves knowing they only need one mislynch to win, and because both have a believable narrative as far as I can tell.

Generally, I think the better prepared ready to go claim with all the arguments for why it's truthful is usually scummier, because town is concerned with using their powers well, but scum crafting a fakeclaim with making it believable and getting the other guy lynched.

I was feeling scummier on Dylan previously, might cloud judgement, but Robz looks more like I would as a jk and Dylan like I would as a scum.

What had PPS implied about his results? Can we make any use of them figuring this out?

[EFHW]

I'm going to try to look at this with fresh eyes later today. 

[Eevee]

It's not clear we should concentrate all our efforts on picking between the two claimants. Assuming no silliness like double town jailkeeper or double scum fakeclaiming, we know there is 1/2 scum in the claimants, and 2/5 in the rest of population. Scum knows who they want to vote for anyway, but for townies (other than Robz/Dylan, whichever is the real JK), it's actually the same odds lynching a claimant or not a claimant (1/2 or 2/4).

Right now I think I'd be more comfortable going off the claimants, especially because the JK (alongside EFHW if she is a real doctor) will be our only hope if we get it wrong today (and if we go for the claimants and pick wrong, we won't have him).

[Eevee]

Other than me, are we waiting on anyone to claim still?

[gkrieg13]

It's not clear we should concentrate all our efforts on picking between the two claimants. Assuming no silliness like double town jailkeeper or double scum fakeclaiming, we know there is 1/2 scum in the claimants, and 2/5 in the rest of population. Scum knows who they want to vote for anyway, but for townies (other than Robz/Dylan, whichever is the real JK), it's actually the same odds lynching a claimant or not a claimant (1/2 or 2/4).

Right now I think I'd be more comfortable going off the claimants, especially because the JK (alongside EFHW if she is a real doctor) will be our only hope if we get it wrong today (and if we go for the claimants and pick wrong, we won't have him).

While I agree I wanted everyone to take a stand on the two JKs and also to finish the mass claim

[gkrieg13]

Other than me, are we waiting on anyone to claim still?

I don't think so.

[Roadrunner7671]

Other than me, are we waiting on anyone to claim still?

Claim Jailkeeper!

[Eevee]

I think it's just me left, I'm a VT.

[Eevee]

So, setup wise, we have more to information to analyze EFHW's claim with now. I guess the question is, how big of a factor are the targeting restrictions, and which side do they strengthen? We know we were given a cop, a jailkeeper and a tracker, is that combination or them + or also having a doctor more likely to be balanced (in LL's opinion)? We don't have any idea what powers scum might have, except for that if EFHW is the doctor, we know they could kill someone despite the her targeting them.

[gkrieg13]

So we have

Vanilla Cop
Tracker
JK
Doctor?

5 VT

3 scum probably

But each of the PRs are probably only effective on 2/3 of the population.  I feel like with a JK, there is probably not a very high chance of the doctor being real.  It just seems so out of place on that list now that we can be reasonably sure that we have a JK.

[LaLight]

Thread locked

[LaLight]

According to Rules

Dylan32, who was Relic, a Jailkeeper and the Treasure Card
And EFHW, who was Treasure Trove, a Doctor and the Treasure Card

Are modkilled for posts #1477 and #1487 respectively.

Mafia team, who was Robz888, Eevee and SpaceAnemone won.

Mod QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/yH4VKqjuJVMtF
Speccy: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/KFKzZfd4ezB
Another Speccy: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/hnb3y9ecGSB8
Scum QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/U5Y5qVzF366T

I am sorry it happened that way. My lack of articles knowing and apparently the closeness of normal game were the triggers here. I hope to run another game in some time.

Being a mod is being a mod.

[LaLight]

The thread and the way to my depression are unlocked

[LaLight]

I don't know if i should give the MVP here but if i should, it's clearly GKrieg13. As scum said and as i felt it he "played a scary town game" and solved the whole case by himself.

[Eevee]

Whaaat? Was this really necessary?

[faust]

I advised this course of action. Please relay all your frustration to me.

[gkrieg13]

I knew it!  I am just sad that I was persuaded away from the scum team.

From what I saw, (and I'm not sure I remember correctly) Robz should have also been modkilled, for fake-quoting, but it's kind of difficult to say.

[LaLight]

I advised this course of action. Please relay all your frustration to me.

There was my mistake in the fundament.

[Eevee]

No frustration or any ill feelings towards anyone from me, just to me it didn't look like either side gained a decisive advantage and I think we could have played it through, I do understand that from a mod perspective, the game state is a difficult thing to take into account when making a decision like this.

[Eevee]

I knew it!  I am just sad that I was persuaded away from the scum team.

From what I saw, (and I'm not sure I remember correctly) Robz should have also been modkilled, for fake-quoting, but it's kind of difficult to say.

Yeah, you really had us down cold. PPS too.

[faust]

From what I saw, (and I'm not sure I remember correctly) Robz should have also been modkilled, for fake-quoting, but it's kind of difficult to say.

Possibly. But then it would still have been endgame, so that decision wasn't all that relevant.