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[Robz888]

Robz888: The Man, The Myth, The Legend, and an unofficial guide to reading him:

If he lives past day 2, he is scum.

Yeah. The problem is I play way more cautiously as scum, and take the game more seriously, but when I'm town I'm okay playing a little zanier, because the worse thing that can happen is I get lynched and oh well, I wasn't scum. But I promise I'm going to try to put more effort into my town games, starting right now. It's actually genuinely exciting to be town again, hasn't happened since Mafia 87, which was my first game since coming out of retirement. And great to see Ichi again!

[Ichimaru Gin]

Can anyone ever really know Robz is the question...

He was one of my mentors, three years ago.

I have him down as one of the unreadable people.

any hints how to read you?

Mm. Generally when I'm town scum likes to vote for me.

It's been said that there isn't much difference between my town and scum play...which makes people suspect me and paints me as an easy target for scum often.

I've been known to be "the guy that claims at L-5" or something like that.

People love to joke about my OMGUSing tendencies, but it has greatly subsided compared to its heyday.

I generally view everything through a lens of how people read and interact with me specifically--that's how I get my reads.
And. I think I do much better as scum when I can operate independently. I tend to let other people take the lead when I'm part of a team. I don't play nearly as well when I'm trying to follow other people's directions.

I kind of play a mix of trying to protect my meta and win the current game(s) I'm in, but I lean on the side of burning everything for the faction I'm currently playing as--even if it hurts my long game.

PPE: It's good to be back Robz!

[Robz888]

I feel like I've gotten to know Space, LaLight, and Calamitas really well over the past few games. I've been scum with two out of three. Will be interesting to try to read them here.

Gkrieg has read me freakishly well. If he says I'm scum, believe him. Except, if he says it here, he's a liar.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Well I hope you're town then, because I'll probably just sheep your reads on them.

[Eevee]

Has Calamitas ever been scum?

[LaLight]

Has Calamitas ever been scum?

oooh much time.

M88 is an ideal example of him being scum.

[LaLight]

I feel like I've gotten to know Space, LaLight, and Calamitas really well over the past few games. I've been scum with two out of three. Will be interesting to try to read them here.

Gkrieg has read me freakishly well. If he says I'm scum, believe him. Except, if he says it here, he's a liar.

You'll never see me as scum. I will never see me as scum again >_>

[faust]

Well I hope you're town then, because I'll probably just sheep your reads on them.

Not mine?

[faust]

There is some setup talk to be done here if I remember correctly. Will have to investigate later

[Ichimaru Gin]

Well I hope you're town then, because I'll probably just sheep your reads on them.

Not mine?

Sure!
I just can't sheep the ichi-is-scum read that seems to crop up so often 
But actually Teproc is the one I think I really distrust since Musical Mafia. It's dangerous to listen too much to one person if we aren't 100% on their alignment.

[SpaceAnemone]

I was joking about Robz. But information is always good. 

Yeah, i know, but nevertheless last few Robz ganes he was always scum and always won, idk if you followed

Oh.
Yeah I was gonna ask what are the important games I've missed.

PPE: 1

To know Calamitas and Robz read M88. To know Space Anemone, read Newbie 8. To know me, well i was scum once in my second ever game, M86, but i'm better as town.

Hmm.. that was my first scum game, and now everyone who's read it reads town!me as scummy :-P It's not actually all that indicative of my usual play... I didn't managed to look nearly as innocent and townie in my second scum game (when I had Robz and Eevee as buddies). Also, gkrieg wasn't in that, and he always thinks I'm scum, regardless of either of our alignments.

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote: Eevee

Because he's clearly always scum :-P

[Roadrunner7671]

There is some setup talk to be done here if I remember correctly. Will have to investigate later

1. Calamitas
2. Roadrunner7671
3. Awaclus
4. Robz888
5. LaLight
6. faust
7. Ichimaru Gin
8. Eevee
9. gkrieg13
10. schadd
11. SpaceAnemone

[LaLight]

There is some setup talk to be done here if I remember correctly. Will have to investigate later

1. Calamitas
2. Roadrunner7671
3. Awaclus
4. Robz888
5. LaLight
6. faust
7. Ichimaru Gin
8. Eevee
9. gkrieg13
10. schadd
11. SpaceAnemone

FTFY

[Eevee]

Vote: Eevee

Because he's clearly always scum :-P

Didn't you see my first post? I'm town this time!


And, you know, I'm not a great lynch candidate since if I'm scum, the eventual massclaim is my big Achilles heel. Better to leave me alive for that.

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote: Eevee

Because he's clearly always scum :-P

Didn't you see my first post? I'm town this time!


And, you know, I'm not a great lynch candidate since if I'm scum, the eventual massclaim is my big Achilles heel. Better to leave me alive for that.

That's almost as convincing as your assertion that you weren't scum in your DAMA in Literature Mafia :-P

[schadd]

town town town town town


vote: faust

[gkrieg13]

vote: WW for being a traitor

[LaLight]

vote: WW for being a traitor

Only mafia can know traitor in some setups... vote: gkrieg

[faust]

So setup talking stuff. It's happening. I think I'm having the same thoughts I had in the last run.

Not all claims are created equal. Some will give us more setup information than others. There are roles in the setup matrix that exist exactly once. Take, for instance, the Bodyguard. This role has a unique place in Column4/Row3. This means that a Bodyguard claim would reduce the number of possible setups for us to 2. Any other PR would even know exactly which setup we are in. This means the for the rest of the game, scum cannot claim a PR without being counterclaimed.

The flip side of this is of course that we give scum setup information. From such a claim, scum will be able to deduce the exact setup. But I don't think that's such a big issue. They already have a pretty good idea anyway.

Then of course one needs to assess how much a PR is hurt by claiming. I think that Bodyguard is a pretty weak PR anyway and it may well be worth it to claim. Goon Cop and Watcher, two other unique roles, of course shouldn't claim. The remaining role is the 1-shot BP, which is a bit of a tossup for me.

Claiming early has certain advantages here as this is a relatively small game and the possiblity of a SK means it could move to LyLo-ish situations pretty quick, and then claims are no longer reliable.

[faust]

vote: WW for being a traitor

Only mafia can know traitor in some setups... vote: gkrieg

While the mafia would most certainly like to communicate their identity to a traitor, I expect a bit more subtlety from scum!gkrieg.

Then again, it's possible he's banking on that. And using the word traitor in connection with a specific name is definitely a scum thing to do in this setup.

Okay, vote: gkrieg

[gkrieg13]

So setup talking stuff. It's happening. I think I'm having the same thoughts I had in the last run.

Not all claims are created equal. Some will give us more setup information than others. There are roles in the setup matrix that exist exactly once. Take, for instance, the Bodyguard. This role has a unique place in Column4/Row3. This means that a Bodyguard claim would reduce the number of possible setups for us to 2. Any other PR would even know exactly which setup we are in. This means the for the rest of the game, scum cannot claim a PR without being counterclaimed.

The flip side of this is of course that we give scum setup information. From such a claim, scum will be able to deduce the exact setup. But I don't think that's such a big issue. They already have a pretty good idea anyway.

Then of course one needs to assess how much a PR is hurt by claiming. I think that Bodyguard is a pretty weak PR anyway and it may well be worth it to claim. Goon Cop and Watcher, two other unique roles, of course shouldn't claim. The remaining role is the 1-shot BP, which is a bit of a tossup for me.

Claiming early has certain advantages here as this is a relatively small game and the possiblity of a SK means it could move to LyLo-ish situations pretty quick, and then claims are no longer reliable.

Interesting.  Although, isn't it kind of important for mafia to know who the traitor is and vice-versa?  I guess both of them already know one half of that equation (traitor knows if they know mafia and vice versa), so maybe it isn't that big of a deal.

That's the only real downside I can think of.

[gkrieg13]

vote: WW for being a traitor

Only mafia can know traitor in some setups... vote: gkrieg

While the mafia would most certainly like to communicate their identity to a traitor, I expect a bit more subtlety from scum!gkrieg.

Then again, it's possible he's banking on that. And using the word traitor in connection with a specific name is definitely a scum thing to do in this setup.

Okay, vote: gkrieg

I get the first part, but I don't get the second part.  Why does using the word traitor in connection with a specific name (a person not in this game, and that I vote every RVS) scummy?

[gkrieg13]

Also if we all breadcrumb that we are the traitor, isn't that a good thing?

[faust]

vote: WW for being a traitor

Only mafia can know traitor in some setups... vote: gkrieg

While the mafia would most certainly like to communicate their identity to a traitor, I expect a bit more subtlety from scum!gkrieg.

Then again, it's possible he's banking on that. And using the word traitor in connection with a specific name is definitely a scum thing to do in this setup.

Okay, vote: gkrieg

I get the first part, but I don't get the second part.  Why does using the word traitor in connection with a specific name (a person not in this game, and that I vote every RVS) scummy?

I forgot that WW is not in this game.

I also think people need to stop doing these stupid things that they "do every game" just for the sake of doing them because it's always confusing to people who don't bother to remember this particular piece of meta.