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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #925 on: April 14, 2014, 12:43:15 pm »

I am thinking we should masclaiming as well, simply because it gives is something to do.

Or lynch axxle because he's weirdly paranoid about everyone assuming sk would want to convert.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #926 on: April 14, 2014, 12:47:58 pm »

I don't see what a mass claim would do. Everyone can just say they're a VT.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #927 on: April 14, 2014, 12:48:23 pm »

Hold in I have a plan, give me a minute(10-20) to think it over
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #928 on: April 14, 2014, 12:53:45 pm »

I don't see what a mass claim would do. Everyone can just say they're a VT.

Well the point would be, if you are a PR, DON'T do that because lying is anti-town. So if all the townies, told the truth, than the SK would be among the VTs. One of the VTs would be lyning. We could narrow our search to those people.

Complicating this is, I do think there is one way the SK could end up with a PR: Choosing slot 9, hoping for a conversion PR to show up, not getting a conversion PR, and picking the best of the rest. This is one good way SK Axxle could get 1-shot BUs Driver, actually.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #929 on: April 14, 2014, 12:57:06 pm »

I don't see what a mass claim would do. Everyone can just say they're a VT.

Voltaire would give us an order to claim, if we claim numbers and draft order and PR chosen we could possibly catch the SK in a lie (like if he claims to have picked 7 and got an early draft, then someone else claims they picked 7, then the first one is lying).  So I guess to me the bigger question is how likely is it that the SK would get forced into a position where he would have to lie, and I'm sure that would be very likely but I'd have to think about it more.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #930 on: April 14, 2014, 12:59:34 pm »

I don't think the SK would get trapped, but I do think we might be able to eliminate a couple more people. Voltaire and sudgy are already totally cleared as far as I am concerned, I think I should be virtually cleared to all of you. Even if massclaim clears just one more person, it's probably worth it.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #931 on: April 14, 2014, 01:00:40 pm »

and I'm sure that would be very likely but I'd have to think about it more.

*I'm NOT sure
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #932 on: April 14, 2014, 01:03:04 pm »

I don't think the SK would get trapped, but I do think we might be able to eliminate a couple more people. Voltaire and sudgy are already totally cleared as far as I am concerned, I think I should be virtually cleared to all of you. Even if massclaim clears just one more person, it's probably worth it.

Yeah this is also true, at this point if it's definitely not you or sudgy or Voltaire if we just clear two people it's a guaranteed (?) win.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #933 on: April 14, 2014, 01:07:07 pm »

Okay so I think only our CT's should claim, they should claim draft order and what pr they went for. This will potentially force the sk to lie or be caught with a high I draft went for conversion.

Downsides are little
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #934 on: April 14, 2014, 01:19:17 pm »

Okay so I think only our CT's should claim, they should claim draft order and what pr they went for. This will potentially force the sk to lie or be caught with a high I draft went for conversion.

Downsides are little

Ooh. I kind of like that.

Well, the downside is, we out the PR people (everyone who didn't claim VT!). Still, possible worth it, and probably the correct way to go about it? Obviously, Voltaire's thoughts are most key here.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #935 on: April 14, 2014, 01:20:00 pm »

Ok I'll do what you guys want, I have no experience with this.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #936 on: April 14, 2014, 01:35:34 pm »

I'm down for this plan. I'm not sure what PRs are still positive utility now that the game is hunt-the-SK anyway.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #937 on: April 14, 2014, 01:40:01 pm »

I'm a little worried this plan ends with me mislynched though. I won't say any more about that yet. I also worry about the snag Robz found.

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Complicating this is, I do think there is one way the SK could end up with a PR: Choosing slot 9, hoping for a conversion PR to show up, not getting a conversion PR, and picking the best of the rest. This is one good way SK Axxle could get 1-shot BUs Driver, actually.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #938 on: April 14, 2014, 04:03:55 pm »

Robz, who did you suspect yesterday? We might find an sk there.

Is like to think more about the Massclaim before going through with it. Still haven't been to a computer.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #939 on: April 14, 2014, 04:05:13 pm »

@mod: is it possible for mafia to shoot themselves do to bus driver or redirection?
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #940 on: April 14, 2014, 04:07:32 pm »

Night 3 vig maybe should claim if they think they're likely going to be shot tonight, since the sk is bulletproof still.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #941 on: April 14, 2014, 04:10:42 pm »

Robz, who did you suspect yesterday? We might find an sk there.

Is like to think more about the Massclaim before going through with it. Still haven't been to a computer.

Well, I mean privately, I suspected you (of being mafia), because why would XP claim a PR that someone else actually had? So I thought he tried to claim a fellow mafia's PR, but then you decided to bus him instead. In actuality, it looks like XP picked that PR to claim in order to deliberately bring himself down and give massive towncred to his last surviving partner.

But I never said any of that, because it happened too fast.

Out loud, I don't really remember who I suspected, other than XP. Oh, actually, Axxle, big time. Yeah.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #942 on: April 14, 2014, 04:11:18 pm »

@mod: is it possible for mafia to shoot themselves do to bus driver or redirection?

Yes.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #943 on: April 14, 2014, 06:33:32 pm »

Robz, who did you suspect yesterday? We might find an sk there.

Is like to think more about the Massclaim before going through with it. Still haven't been to a computer.

Pretty sure the mafia tried to kill Robz, at least that's what I think happened, because he Slot 9 slipped.

Do note that Robz could be lying about drafting first, as there are enough dead people who didn't claim it wouldn't be the craziest gamble in the world. It is somewhat risky, but if there's something I know about somewhat risky, it is that Robz totally goes for it.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #944 on: April 14, 2014, 06:34:31 pm »

If everyone wants to mass-claim, I'll come up with an order and lead one. I do not "sanction" a mass-claim as the IC, but I also think any downsides, if present, are small. If it helps everyone else scumhunt, I'm fine with doing it.

Why does everyone think sudgy is a nearly-IC?
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #945 on: April 14, 2014, 06:44:03 pm »

He goes for 1-shot alignment cop as SK? There is simply no way. It's too ridiculous. He needs to survive. It doesn't help me do anything. It possibly even endangers him.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #946 on: April 14, 2014, 06:44:26 pm »

Him* do anything
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #947 on: April 14, 2014, 11:23:35 pm »

Good point.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #948 on: April 14, 2014, 11:36:27 pm »

He goes for 1-shot alignment cop as SK? There is simply no way. It's too ridiculous. He needs to survive. It doesn't help me do anything. It possibly even endangers him.
Ash went for the mafia cop, sk might go for the sk cop.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #949 on: April 14, 2014, 11:38:51 pm »

Role speculation is super wifomy, we should look at play instead.

Sk tends to play very survivor like, more so than mafia. We should look for that.

I'll reread maybe the day after tomorrow, have to deal with a few IRL issues.
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