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[WestCoastDidds]

What did he want to know?

House and order, so a full claim, I guess

[MiX]

To give a better understandment of when things happened, I had a QT when he specifically said QT for the first time. So definitely after Didds.

[MiX]

What did he want to know?

Information in exchange of services. The rest is private.

[WestCoastDidds]

I figured you were next!

[MiX]

I figured you were next!

To be fair I should've known he'd contact you first.

[WestCoastDidds]

I figured you were next!

To be fair I should've known he'd contact you first.

I’m not known for being tight lipped...

[Dylan32]

What did he want to know?

Information in exchange of services. The rest is private.

This is also how it was originally framed when my QT started with him. If he started the same way, he might have offered you a very specific piece of information.  I'm not asking either of you to share the info, but did he tell you that info?

Knowing what I guess the 3 of us know, you know you could get him back and claim. So if you think that it's truly in town's best interest, you could still do so unless whoever he visited after leaving me (which happened before I brought it up in the game thread) already has. I'm still not sure (pending the risks I mentioned earlier, whether they're likely or not) that I should be the one to do it.

[faust]

What did he want to know?

Information in exchange of services. The rest is private.

This is also how it was originally framed when my QT started with him. If he started the same way, he might have offered you a very specific piece of information.  I'm not asking either of you to share the info, but did he tell you that info?

Knowing what I guess the 3 of us know, you know you could get him back and claim. So if you think that it's truly in town's best interest, you could still do so unless whoever he visited after leaving me (which happened before I brought it up in the game thread) already has. I'm still not sure (pending the risks I mentioned earlier, whether they're likely or not) that I should be the one to do it.

You are vastly overestimating the importance of your role. For town, your order is the weakest in the game.

[scolapasta]

Wow, that took me a while to finally catch up. And now I'll go to bed and wake up to several more.

So we know Eddie can contact people through QTs during the day. Does this cost him stormlight? (my assumption is yes)
So far he's contacted at least 3: mix, didds, dylan. which means, if assumption correct, that he has chosen to spend stormlight for at least three of these on day 1.

And he seems to be actively seeking a claim from each.

What would his win condition be before hearing a full claim? It just seems like he very much wants to get someone to claim asap.

And apparently those he's contacted can call him back up.

[Swowl]

I didn't spend 15 on the reporter ability, it was 5. I'll be back with more thoughts later

Oh. Makes more sense.

How does it make more sense? It could be 15, 5, or 0... they told the town they were a vig. The town does not know if they are skum or not. They, if they are town, told skum they are vig, so now skum knows they are vig. It isn't like being a vig makes you town.
Forget what skum would gain of it by doing it... what is the positive scenario in your head for Town!Dylan doing it?

[Swowl]

The main problem with this is you give scum all the data to find the most effective nightkill. It's better to talk about who you think is scummy, but it's still very good to think about who's towny.

How is your vig claim idea not the exact middle ground of what you are saying is bad here?

[cayvie]

What did he want to know?

Information in exchange of services. The rest is private.

This is also how it was originally framed when my QT started with him. If he started the same way, he might have offered you a very specific piece of information.  I'm not asking either of you to share the info, but did he tell you that info?

Knowing what I guess the 3 of us know, you know you could get him back and claim. So if you think that it's truly in town's best interest, you could still do so unless whoever he visited after leaving me (which happened before I brought it up in the game thread) already has. I'm still not sure (pending the risks I mentioned earlier, whether they're likely or not) that I should be the one to do it.

You are vastly overestimating the importance of your role. For town, your order is the weakest in the game.

Here we agree.

[Swowl]

The main problem with this is you give scum all the data to find the most effective nightkill. It's better to talk about who you think is scummy, but it's still very good to think about who's towny.

How is your vig claim idea not the exact middle ground of what you are saying is bad here?

Also, I just don't get the utility of your claim-vig idea here. I get the part where skum is boxed out because they claim not vig... but then why not just make it a "claim not vig" plan? why out the vig?

[Swowl]

What did he want to know?

Information in exchange of services. The rest is private.

This is also how it was originally framed when my QT started with him. If he started the same way, he might have offered you a very specific piece of information.  I'm not asking either of you to share the info, but did he tell you that info?

Knowing what I guess the 3 of us know, you know you could get him back and claim. So if you think that it's truly in town's best interest, you could still do so unless whoever he visited after leaving me (which happened before I brought it up in the game thread) already has. I'm still not sure (pending the risks I mentioned earlier, whether they're likely or not) that I should be the one to do it.

You are vastly overestimating the importance of your role. For town, your order is the weakest in the game.

Here we agree.

weakest for town. scariest for skum. and potentially the extremely useful. But NOT if skum knows who you are from day 1

[cayvie]

Swowl I think we just fundamentally disagree on night action tactics; I think the vig is priced too high to be particularly useful to town here.

I'm unsure why you think it particularly matters if scum knows who the vig is.

[faust]

Vote: Didds

She scumslipped.

[Swowl]

Swowl I think we just fundamentally disagree on night action tactics; I think the vig is priced too high to be particularly useful to town here.

I'm unsure why you think it particularly matters if scum knows who the vig is.

That is fair, we could disagree. I fudementally believe that Town Vig is almost always a negative utility role to town in the hands of someone who does not know how to use it. By that, to be frank, I mean to be smart enough to accept that holding the shot is almost always the correct play for late game since the potential of it not being used early is almost always going to be worse for town than the chance of never getting to use it at all.

I always think of vig as a sort of snapdragon flower in a sense. It exists, and it can be awesome... but when you pick at it, or hold it... it dies. Kind of like the value of a Town Vig early in the game. Actually especially in this game, as their ability is based not on X-amount of shots, but on the stormwind they spend.

So like for an example, Vig stays quiet, does whatever else they can do instead until the role become "viable" then, at that point, they claim.
It can be neg utility, or too expensive, or whatever you want to call it in this game. But fact of the matter is, if Dylan is town, it would be better if skum did NOT know they were the vig.

PPE 1

[cayvie]

Vote: Didds

She scumslipped.

post 800?

[faust]

Vote: Didds

She scumslipped.

post 800?

Indeed.

[cayvie]

Vote: Didds

She scumslipped.

post 800?

Indeed.

I think I see what you see, but I'm not convinced it's a slip? At least, if we see the same thing, that's gonna change some assumptions.

[Rhand]

Vote: Didds

She scumslipped.

post 800?

Indeed.

How is that a scumslip? I’m not seeing it.

[faust]

Vote: Didds

She scumslipped.

post 800?

Indeed.

How is that a scumslip? I’m not seeing it.

If I were to claim House and order, it would not be a fullclaim, and I expect the same to be true for other townies.

[Rhand]

Vote: Didds

She scumslipped.

post 800?

Indeed.

How is that a scumslip? I’m not seeing it.

If I were to claim House and order, it would not be a fullclaim, and I expect the same to be true for other townies.

I figured that’s what you meant. Don’t you think that’s true for mafia too though?

[faust]

Vote: Didds

She scumslipped.

post 800?

Indeed.

How is that a scumslip? I’m not seeing it.

If I were to claim House and order, it would not be a fullclaim, and I expect the same to be true for other townies.

I figured that’s what you meant. Don’t you think that’s true for mafia too though?

Yes but mafia wouldn't think it's true for town, so when fakeclaiming they would act like their only powers were from their order.

[Rhand]

Vote: Didds

She scumslipped.

post 800?

Indeed.

How is that a scumslip? I’m not seeing it.

If I were to claim House and order, it would not be a fullclaim, and I expect the same to be true for other townies.

I figured that’s what you meant. Don’t you think that’s true for mafia too though?

Yes but mafia wouldn't think it's true for town, so when fakeclaiming they would act like their only powers were from their order.

Hm we already have the dustbringer power proven and it’s very clear in the role pm that the extra power belongs to the order. I think his post is NAI.

But you’re town, that’s at least something.