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[faust]

So, ashersky starts the Day by (basically) claiming VT?

Vote: ashersky

[faust]

I don't think we should mass claim.

[EFHW]

vote: archetype

better than ashersky. this is a wagon scum might want to get on early.

This logic only works if you know Archetype is town.

I assume you meant ashersky? Him being town is the strongest read I have.

No, I meant Archetype.  Scum only want to get on that wagon early if Archetype is town.  It sounds like you know he is town and the possibility of his being scum didn't really occur to you. 

[Eevee]

vote: archetype

better than ashersky. this is a wagon scum might want to get on early.

This logic only works if you know Archetype is town.

I assume you meant ashersky? Him being town is the strongest read I have.

No, I meant Archetype.  Scum only want to get on that wagon early if Archetype is town.  It sounds like you know he is town and the possibility of his being scum didn't really occur to you.

I don't follow! I'm very much considering the possibility archetype might be scum, I'm even voting for him?

[Eevee]

vote: archetype

better than ashersky. this is a wagon scum might want to get on early.

This logic only works if you know Archetype is town.

I assume you meant ashersky? Him being town is the strongest read I have.

No, I meant Archetype.  Scum only want to get on that wagon early if Archetype is town.  It sounds like you know he is town and the possibility of his being scum didn't really occur to you.

I don't follow! I'm very much considering the possibility archetype might be scum, I'm even voting for him?

Oh, "this" was referring to the inevitable ashersky-wagon, not the possible archetype-wagon.

[Voltaire]

I think we need to set a soft deadline, and we need to get this game moving fast. 8 day deadlines is super-quick. Soft deadline this Friday @ 4 PM forum time? That's a time where people have seemed reasonably active in the past.

[Voltaire]

So, ashersky starts the Day by (basically) claiming VT?

Vote: ashersky

That it was basically the same as claiming VT didn't even occur to me.

[xeiron]

I think we need to set a soft deadline, and we need to get this game moving fast. 8 day deadlines is super-quick. Soft deadline this Friday @ 4 PM forum time? That's a time where people have seemed reasonably active in the past.

If we want to lynch someone by friday,  we really have to blitz through D1.
It works for me.

[Eevee]

So, ashersky starts the Day by (basically) claiming VT?

Vote: ashersky

That it was basically the same as claiming VT didn't even occur to me.

I said it first!

I think we need to set a soft deadline, and we need to get this game moving fast. 8 day deadlines is super-quick. Soft deadline this Friday @ 4 PM forum time? That's a time where people have seemed reasonably active in the past.

If we want to lynch someone by friday,  we really have to blitz through D1.
It works for me.

Works for me as well, I still have a fever and I'm stuck home anyways. I find blitzing is very good for town, especially day 1.

[Voltaire]

Awesome.

Less sure about ash. I was super sure at first.

[xeiron]

So, right off the bat, I'm going to disappoint the mod.

Sorry, yuma.

I would call your attention to this:

There is one facet of the game that some may consider to be bastard, however the mod ensures you that it has been accounted for and has been designed in such a way to make it not bastard. This game will feature of myriad of roles, some of these roles will be subject to or create misinformation. However there will be no mod lying.

So, the bolded part.

I have one of those roles.  As such, I pledge NOT to use my role at all (unless town collectively comes up with a reason, but I've thought about it since I received my PM, and I haven't yet.)

My role creates unwanted confusion at night.  It's made this way on purpose to add to the craziness of the game, and the night-time fun of the mods.  Unfortunately, it's anti-town to use it, as it'll just confuse the real PRs.

Basically, my role is non-compulsory and is unable to stop kills or clear players.  Therefore, I won't be using it.

I strongly urge all other town players with similar roles to make the same pledge, either publically or privately.

Again, sorry yuma, for sapping the fun from the role.  But I have to do what I think is best for town to win.

I am not sure what to think of Asherskys claim.
Anti-town roles are usually not optional, because then they are not used, effectively making the player a vanilla townie.
If they are optional, there usually are situations where they can be useful.

Because of this this, I am a little skeptical of whether Ashersky actually have the role he claimed.

The big question here is why would !town Ashersky choose to claim this early. Or !scum Ash.
I fail to see why his claim helps town.
But I do not see ow it could help him as scum either. If he is scum, he might get into trouble later during a massclaim if he do not (fake)claim a role that fits with this. And I do not think scum would want to limit their fakeclaiming possibilities this early. I mean, if he is watched or tracked or something now he is pretty dead, as he has already claimed to have a role he is not going to use.

[Voltaire]

But I do not see ow it could help him as scum either. If he is scum, he might get into trouble later during a massclaim if he do not (fake)claim a role that fits with this. And I do not think scum would want to limit their fakeclaiming possibilities this early. I mean, if he is watched or tracked or something now he is pretty dead, as he has already claimed to have a role he is not going to use.

Well that's easy. If he's scum, he has a role where he either won't be taking an action (I'm thinking Enabler, for example), or is ninja, or something.

[faust]

I fail to see why his claim helps town.
But I do not see ow it could help him as scum either. If he is scum, he might get into trouble later during a massclaim if he do not (fake)claim a role that fits with this. And I do not think scum would want to limit their fakeclaiming possibilities this early. I mean, if he is watched or tracked or something now he is pretty dead, as he has already claimed to have a role he is not going to use.

It helps him the same way that any VT claim helps scum: They have an explanation why they are not night killed (scum is hunting PRs) and they do not have to present results of any kind, the way a claimed PR would.

PPE: what Voltaire says adds to this.

[faust]

If friday, 4 PM is our soft deadline, I will have to leave ~2 hours before that.

[Voltaire]

If friday, 4 PM is our soft deadline, I will have to leave ~2 hours before that.

That's fine. The important thing is that we have one.

[jotheonah]

You know what,

Vote:ashersky

Last game, he claimed off the bat, got town cred for it, and survived off that cred until the end of the game -- despite many people voicing concerns over his towniness. The fact is, FoSes without votes are just fine for scum.

Let's try lynching him this time! Even if he's town, at least we're not losing a useful power role.

[jotheonah]

(I'm talking about time war, where he was scum)

[Eevee]

I understood ash's claim so that it it's debatable whether the role is antitown or now. In fact, if I had to guess, ash is wrong about it being entirely antitown because there is some other role or roles that it interacts with in a protown manner.

[faust]

That is L-1 on ashersky. Unvote for now. I understand we want to blitz through D1, but maybe not THAT fast.

FOS on jotheonah for putting someone at L-1 without announcing it.

[Voltaire]

Yikes.

Absolutely nobody lynch anybody prior to the soft deadline.

[Voltaire]

unvote

[Eevee]

I think ashersky's claim is working just like intended - creating us real discussion topics and interactions. I'd still be VERY surprised if he was scum, what do you guys voting for him think he thought would happen?

[Voltaire]

I think ashersky's claim is working just like intended - creating us real discussion topics and interactions. I'd still be VERY surprised if he was scum, what do you guys voting for him think he thought would happen?

I honestly don't know. I do know it reeks of a fakeclaim.

I suppose he could by lying town.

[Eevee]

I think ashersky's claim is working just like intended - creating us real discussion topics and interactions. I'd still be VERY surprised if he was scum, what do you guys voting for him think he thought would happen?

I honestly don't know. I do know it reeks of a fakeclaim.

I suppose he could by lying town.

Isn't doing something weird, arguably antitown to kickstart day 1 a quintessential town ash move?

[jotheonah]

I think ashersky's claim is working just like intended - creating us real discussion topics and interactions. I'd still be VERY surprised if he was scum, what do you guys voting for him think he thought would happen?

I think he thought that he would get a nice town pass -- a lot of suspicion, but that town wouldn't have the guts to actually step up and lynch him.

I didn't realize I'd be putting him at L-1 (small games FTW) but I also don't regret it. Scum's not gonna quickhammer town and out themselves, so unless he's unannounced hated it doesn't make much difference.

Isn't doing something weird, arguably antitown to kickstart day 1 a quintessential town ash move?

Not last game it wasn't.