I'm going to say a very controversial thing which is that my wagon is bad and nonsense and I think it's kind of scummy to be on it right now.
But which vote on my wagon is the scummiest, you ask? Well, let's meet our contestants.
I think the thing with Vigs is that the decision is made with less information than it would otherwise be. They can be fine and powerful, especially late game.
Right. Funny how this conversation is all based on joth incorrectly attributing the negative utility idea to faust. Actually, scumreading faust for seeming to value the vig is striking me as scummy. Even if he had said something about vigs being negative utility in the past, it's strange to expect him to be so consistent that he would say outing the vig is fine in this game.
vote: joth
EFHW has the first position on the wagon, not generally where scum likes to be, and her vote seems earnest, if slightly confusing (not sure how any of the words there add up to a case on me). So let's keep looking.
You're really going to make me trawl through old posts to find out that I was wrong about your take on vigs?
Ok.
I actually research my posts when I’m scum. Shoot-from-the-hip Joth is town joth.
You're actually suggesting that if you were scum you'd "trawl through old posts" to clarify faust's stance on Vigs before posting? Scum joth knows that Town joth wouldn't do that, and Town joth knows that scum joth knows that and therefore wouldn't do it.
A lie, that is.
Vote: joth
Vote #2 is also a more towny position, but could be scum trying to get something going. That said, I kind of like the case here. Jimmmmm's basically saying that if I'm aware enough of my own meta to comment on it in my defense, I'm probably aware of my own meta enough to circumvent it. But then, am I audacious enough to reverse my own meta, then immediately use that to defend myself? It starts to feel a bit overly complicated, not to mention ineloquent. Wouldn't I just do the thing and let someone else comment on the meta implications.
I could see Jimmmmm making this post as town or as scum, because it's either inauthentic or just poorly thought out.
Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.
Also scum has daytalk.
vote: Joseph2302
Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?
It's entirely possible he took the initiative to defend you without coordination. Either way, it pinged me a little.
But Joseph made a good point that was missing from the discussion. It doesn't look like defending faust to me.
EFHW defending Joseph's stellar defense of Faust, but joth doesn't vote her for it???
vote: joth
Vote #3 on a wagon, especially when a good chunk has gone by since vote #2, is IMO the scummiest vote on a wagon. And you can quote me on that some day in the future when I'm in the third position on a wagon after some time has gone by.
shraeye's vote here seems like a joke to me. But he never moved it. So that's scummy.
Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.
Also scum has daytalk.
vote: Joseph2302
Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?
It's entirely possible he took the initiative to defend you without coordination. Either way, it pinged me a little.
But Joseph made a good point that was missing from the discussion. It doesn't look like defending faust to me.
EFHW defending Joseph's stellar defense of Faust, but joth doesn't vote her for it???
vote: joth
Someone should definitely vote for shraeye here for the obvious defense of EFHW's defense of Joseph's defense of faust. I mean, it's pretty obviously a scum move.
Obviously, duh
Seems like joth wants to focus on this to try and just get some mis-exiles
There's a reason I'm already voting for Joseph, and it's that his vote on me seems the fakest and laziest. Because I made a joke about shraeye's vote on me, I'm obviously trying to get the town to "focus on this to try and just get some mis-exiles". I'm doing a great job, by the way, of lining up at least one misexile, so props to me I guess. Too bad it's my own.
My only misgiving is that this is almost too lazy to be scum.
vote: joth
I want to have a meaningful vote down and I don’t like how he is sticking to his flimsy case on faust.
See above. This vote is total nonsense, reflects a lack of having read the thread, and really starts to push my wagon into dangerous territory. But again, it's so blatant it almost seems more like bad town play than scum play because it's so blatant.
But the nice thing that gkrieg has going for him is he's also something of a lurker, and several people I respect have expressed an interest in a lurker exile today, so I could definitely get onboard there.
But for me, the winner is shraeye. The combination of being in the scummiest wagon slot and making an apparent joke vote but then not moving it is just enough to put him over the top.
vote: shraeye