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[McGarnacle]

Hmm what's the vote count? My worries about lynching zigaton D1 are more for meta reasons. We usually give complete newbies a D1 pass so that they don't rage quit mafia in general over a bad experience. Also I have no idea whether he's just newbie!town cautious or newbie!scum cautious. I'm going to unvote for now.

Okay, but if I die, for the record, my last words were: "Zigaton...is...scum" *collapses in pool of own blood*

[McGarnacle]

Nice.Killing me, you reduce your chances of winning.Do you want to know my view? vote:pacovf

Sorry man, nothing personal. I just really think you are scum. And we don't tolerate mafia in our town!

it is because I am Russian?I think you voted for me to don't be the suspect.Have you real reason to kill me?

No, I have nothing against you personally, I just think you've a) been very quiet b) haven't really added anything to the discussion and c) now accuse me of being scum to take the pressure off of you.

Also, if I was mafia, I would try to get a vet mislynched because (no offense) they would be more dangerous to the mafia then a newbie.

[Zigaton]

Fair enough. What's your position on the other players? Am I the only one you would like to see lynched?

everyone who voted for me, maybe the Mafia. Since killing me, mafia get one more day.
LaLight-he protected me. If he was a mafia, he would not have done it.If he was a mafia,my death would be useful for him.Mafia -20%
J Reggie-he unvote,and I thank him.But it can be a professional player.He's just trying to confuse us Mafia-20%
McGarnacle-scum.Mafia 70%
Pacovf-good player.I'm not sure that it is the mafia. Too good player.but he votes for me. And it scares.Mafia-50%

[pacovf]

[LaLight]

I see.

[LaLight]

this is getting interesting for me as a linguist: you don't just try to win, you try to make some understanding and analyzing in such circumstances. Cool. Coolcoolcool. Saying more about the game, IMO McGarnacle being made up some case on Zigaton, who is the perfect target for D1 lynch cause he posts not very much. It is convenient for McGarnacle here because he doesn't try to lynch any veteran or something. Well. Good play McGarnacle, though I will still continue to vote on you.

[McGarnacle]

this is getting interesting for me as a linguist: you don't just try to win, you try to make some understanding and analyzing in such circumstances. Cool. Coolcoolcool. Saying more about the game, IMO McGarnacle being made up some case on Zigaton, who is the perfect target for D1 lynch cause he posts not very much. It is convenient for McGarnacle here because he doesn't try to lynch any veteran or something. Well. Good play McGarnacle, though I will still continue to vote on you.

Actually, if I was mafia, I would try to get a vet lynched. Plus, bare in mind, I'm almost as newbie as Zigaton, so unfortunately I'm not quite the evil mastermind you take me for.

[SpaceAnemone]

this is getting interesting for me as a linguist: you don't just try to win, you try to make some understanding and analyzing in such circumstances. Cool. Coolcoolcool. Saying more about the game, IMO McGarnacle being made up some case on Zigaton, who is the perfect target for D1 lynch cause he posts not very much. It is convenient for McGarnacle here because he doesn't try to lynch any veteran or something. Well. Good play McGarnacle, though I will still continue to vote on you.

Actually, if I was mafia, I would try to get a vet lynched. Plus, bare in mind, I'm almost as newbie as Zigaton, so unfortunately I'm not quite the evil mastermind you take me for.

Yeah, but if you're Mafia, you've got an experienced buddy who's told you what to say and how to behave, since I don't really see you being partners with either LaLight or Zigaton. I think you're being vaguely suspicious, like enough to leave my RVS vote on you for now, but you also seem a bit cocky, and you use the word scum a whole lot.. I feel like that probably leans townie. Does anyone with more experience know how the psychology works for that?

[SpaceAnemone]

Also, I think one thing that's making it harder to move this game along is that our conversations are getting stratified into newbies and old hands. I feel like the oldies want to make it interesting for themselves by playing a deep game around those of us who haven't quite got the skills yet. But if we don't get the old and new people interacting more, then not a lot is going to happen.

I think having RR and J Reggie here and active and being bridge-like would really help :-)

[Roadrunner7671]

this is getting interesting for me as a linguist: you don't just try to win, you try to make some understanding and analyzing in such circumstances. Cool. Coolcoolcool. Saying more about the game, IMO McGarnacle being made up some case on Zigaton, who is the perfect target for D1 lynch cause he posts not very much. It is convenient for McGarnacle here because he doesn't try to lynch any veteran or something. Well. Good play McGarnacle, though I will still continue to vote on you.

Actually, if I was mafia, I would try to get a vet lynched. Plus, bare in mind, I'm almost as newbie as Zigaton, so unfortunately I'm not quite the evil mastermind you take me for.

Yeah, but if you're Mafia, you've got an experienced buddy who's told you what to say and how to behave, since I don't really see you being partners with either LaLight or Zigaton. I think you're being vaguely suspicious, like enough to leave my RVS vote on you for now, but you also seem a bit cocky, and you use the word scum a whole lot.. I feel like that probably leans townie. Does anyone with more experience know how the psychology works for that?

There's really no psychology for that. I don't think his cockiness or him using the word scum should impact your reads

[Roadrunner7671]

Also, I think one thing that's making it harder to move this game along is that our conversations are getting stratified into newbies and old hands. I feel like the oldies want to make it interesting for themselves by playing a deep game around those of us who haven't quite got the skills yet. But if we don't get the old and new people interacting more, then not a lot is going to happen.

I think having RR and J Reggie here and active and being bridge-like would really help :-)

Whassup?

[McGarnacle]

Also, I think one thing that's making it harder to move this game along is that our conversations are getting stratified into newbies and old hands. I feel like the oldies want to make it interesting for themselves by playing a deep game around those of us who haven't quite got the skills yet. But if we don't get the old and new people interacting more, then not a lot is going to happen.

I think having RR and J Reggie here and active and being bridge-like would really help :-)

Whassup?

Who do YOU think is suspicious?

[SpaceAnemone]

Also, I think one thing that's making it harder to move this game along is that our conversations are getting stratified into newbies and old hands. I feel like the oldies want to make it interesting for themselves by playing a deep game around those of us who haven't quite got the skills yet. But if we don't get the old and new people interacting more, then not a lot is going to happen.

I think having RR and J Reggie here and active and being bridge-like would really help :-)

Whassup?

Yay, I call and you appear -- that's cool! :-) Can we make some more discussion happen, of the sort where Ash/PPS/Paco actually converse with the newbies in a constructive way?

[pingpongsam]

I think I've been rather conversational and trying to fill in the gaps where needed. I'm not sure what is not constructive about my posts. The game has actually moved along fairly well for D1. Once a flip or two is in things will pick up quite a bit because everyone will have their interpretation of what it means. Also, if we have any night action results from PRs it gets especially thick.

At this point it is about corralling the votes towards a lynch. I'm still currently happy with my vote where it is as I've seen nothing that convinces me it is in the wrong place nor that there might be a better place.

[McGarnacle]

I think I've been rather conversational and trying to fill in the gaps where needed. I'm not sure what is not constructive about my posts. The game has actually moved along fairly well for D1. Once a flip or two is in things will pick up quite a bit because everyone will have their interpretation of what it means. Also, if we have any night action results from PRs it gets especially thick.

At this point it is about corralling the votes towards a lynch. I'm still currently happy with my vote where it is as I've seen nothing that convinces me it is in the wrong place nor that there might be a better place.

Who did you vote for?

[ashersky]

this is getting interesting for me as a linguist: you don't just try to win, you try to make some understanding and analyzing in such circumstances. Cool. Coolcoolcool. Saying more about the game, IMO McGarnacle being made up some case on Zigaton, who is the perfect target for D1 lynch cause he posts not very much. It is convenient for McGarnacle here because he doesn't try to lynch any veteran or something. Well. Good play McGarnacle, though I will still continue to vote on you.

Actually, if I was mafia, I would try to get a vet lynched. Plus, bare in mind, I'm almost as newbie as Zigaton, so unfortunately I'm not quite the evil mastermind you take me for.

Yeah, but if you're Mafia, you've got an experienced buddy who's told you what to say and how to behave, since I don't really see you being partners with either LaLight or Zigaton. I think you're being vaguely suspicious, like enough to leave my RVS vote on you for now, but you also seem a bit cocky, and you use the word scum a whole lot.. I feel like that probably leans townie. Does anyone with more experience know how the psychology works for that?

There's really no psychology for that. I don't think his cockiness or him using the word scum should impact your reads

Scummy response from RR.

[SpaceAnemone]

I think I've been rather conversational and trying to fill in the gaps where needed. I'm not sure what is not constructive about my posts. The game has actually moved along fairly well for D1. Once a flip or two is in things will pick up quite a bit because everyone will have their interpretation of what it means. Also, if we have any night action results from PRs it gets especially thick.

At this point it is about corralling the votes towards a lynch. I'm still currently happy with my vote where it is as I've seen nothing that convinces me it is in the wrong place nor that there might be a better place.

I'm pretty sure you and Ash have something else entirely going on at a higher level, but I want to believe it's meta-stuff rooted experience rather than malice. Besides, I think we've already agreed that if you two are scum together we're screwed anyway.

I don't like the corralling thing you mention, though... isn't the whole point of D1 was to get people talking and into the game? Otherwise, why would it be so long. We have zero information to go on, so we have to make people talk to each other.

Unofficial Vote Count

pingpongsam (1): pacovf
LaLight (1): pingpongsam
McGarnacle (3): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner7671, LaLight
RoadRunner7671 (1): ashersky
Zigaton (1): McGarnacle
pacovf (1): Zigaton

Not Voting (1): J Reggie

Ultra-helpy LaLight is just town LaLight as far as I've seen elsewhere, so that's not a D1 option for me. I seem to have started the one and only actual wagon, so if you just wanted to kill people, you'd be on that one instead. @Ash and @Paco, what am I missing here?

[McGarnacle]

Man, I have no idea what to think. I only have one real scum read, and Zigaton's defense seems even more scummy to me. Apart from that, though, I have no idea.

[ashersky]

Space is reading towny.

[J Reggie]

I guess I could see a McGarnacle-zigaton scum team.

[ashersky]

I guess I could see a McGarnacle-zigaton scum team.

Do you really think one would bus the other in that newbie team-up?

[ashersky]

Also, had a thought, but I think if the Rolecop is in the game, it would be good to claim.  I can explain after.

[J Reggie]

I guess I could see a McGarnacle-zigaton scum team.

Do you really think one would bus the other in that newbie team-up?

It's possible. It doesn't currently look like zigaton is getting lynched.

[J Reggie]

Also, had a thought, but I think if the Rolecop is in the game, it would be good to claim.  I can explain after.

Yeah, the rolecop should definitely claim.

[McGarnacle]

I guess I could see a McGarnacle-zigaton scum team.

I agree with half of this.

If Zigaton and I are scum, we've already lost.

I would actually be fine getting lynched if you lynch Zigaton after me. Town would then have a big advantage, with only one scum left and  5 town.