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[Teproc]

Ash, why do you think XP is being so antitown ? You don't know that he rolestopped : not getting a result doesn't point to rolestopping, it points to a weird setup thing.

[Teproc]

Actually ash, can you check if you got your order it in time ? Maybe that's it ?

[ashersky]

One of the 1% conspiracy theories is that both you (Ash) and XP are scum. You set a trap on EgorK by roleblocking him. Ash gets a free pass of not using his cop by claiming to be rolestopped. If you target someone else, you have to give an innocent result. If you target EgorK without being rolestopped, then whether you say he is scum or town, you are pretty much doomed. But this is a 1% conspiracy theory.

So, I wait for XP to give his result, just in case. I think it is sensible.

I don't understand this.  Now XP and I are partners and he fake trapped me after we fake fought for days?

Um, no.  We real fought for days and it's hard for me to believe we are on the same team at all (if he turns out to be town) given he's played against my wincon.

[ashersky]

Actually ash, can you check if you got your order it in time ? Maybe that's it ?

I got a confirmed reply from Faust.  If it was late, it wouldn't be confirmed.

[Teproc]

Um, no.  We real fought for days and it's hard for me to believe we are on the same team at all (if he turns out to be town) given he's played against my wincon.

If you're referring to rolestopping Egork here, you don't know that he did it. If not, what are you talking about ?

[ashersky]

I submitted 13 hours into night.

[pacovf]

One of the 1% conspiracy theories is that both you (Ash) and XP are scum. You set a trap on EgorK by roleblocking him. Ash gets a free pass of not using his cop by claiming to be rolestopped. If you target someone else, you have to give an innocent result. If you target EgorK without being rolestopped, then whether you say he is scum or town, you are pretty much doomed. But this is a 1% conspiracy theory.

So, I wait for XP to give his result, just in case. I think it is sensible.

I don't understand this.  Now XP and I are partners and he fake trapped me after we fake fought for days?

Um, no.  We real fought for days and it's hard for me to believe we are on the same team at all (if he turns out to be town) given he's played against my wincon.

Doesn't scum ever fake a fight? Anyway, it is pointless to discuss this now. We wait until XP says whether he rolestopped EgorK or not and why, we think about it a bit if his answer is surprising, we lynch EgorK, and we very probably win.

[ashersky]

Um, no.  We real fought for days and it's hard for me to believe we are on the same team at all (if he turns out to be town) given he's played against my wincon.

If you're referring to rolestopping Egork here, you don't know that he did it. If not, what are you talking about ?

Pacovf intimated that XP rolestopped EgorK to test me.  To see if I would make up a result (sort of how Volt kept tracking me to check my results).

I assume Pacovf knew what he was talking about?  That's an anti-town move if true because it stops me from getting a result.

[pacovf]

For what it is worth, I don't think you are taking the right conclusions from what happened, Ash. But I don't want to feed answers to XP, so I won't say more.

[ashersky]

One of the 1% conspiracy theories is that both you (Ash) and XP are scum. You set a trap on EgorK by roleblocking him. Ash gets a free pass of not using his cop by claiming to be rolestopped. If you target someone else, you have to give an innocent result. If you target EgorK without being rolestopped, then whether you say he is scum or town, you are pretty much doomed. But this is a 1% conspiracy theory.

So, I wait for XP to give his result, just in case. I think it is sensible.

I don't understand this.  Now XP and I are partners and he fake trapped me after we fake fought for days?

Um, no.  We real fought for days and it's hard for me to believe we are on the same team at all (if he turns out to be town) given he's played against my wincon.

Doesn't scum ever fake a fight? Anyway, it is pointless to discuss this now. We wait until XP says whether he rolestopped EgorK or not and why, we think about it a bit if his answer is surprising, we lynch EgorK, and we very probably win.

If XP is scum trying to protect his partner, he rolestops him so he can't be caught.  That's a good reason.

But then why does EgorK give up like that?

[ashersky]

For what it is worth, I don't think you are taking the right conclusions from what happened, Ash. But I don't want to feed answers to XP, so I won't say more.

But you already know what happened.  Why not explain it?

At least, the way you are talking, you seem to know already.

[Teproc]

Um, no.  We real fought for days and it's hard for me to believe we are on the same team at all (if he turns out to be town) given he's played against my wincon.

If you're referring to rolestopping Egork here, you don't know that he did it. If not, what are you talking about ?

Pacovf intimated that XP rolestopped EgorK to test me.  To see if I would make up a result (sort of how Volt kept tracking me to check my results).

I assume Pacovf knew what he was talking about?  That's an anti-town move if true because it stops me from getting a result.

Pac is in Stark, so he doesn't know what XP did, he's just giving a possible explanation.

I wouldn't like that play but it's not that different from you copping Voltaire.

Egork probably doesn't have partners left, or at least not that knows of (traitor is basically what I'm saying, since SK is incerdibly unlikely).

[pacovf]

EgorK hasn't been overly active here. I don't see why he would suddenly become so once he realizes there is no way he is escaping the lynch today.

Still, by far the most likely explanation is that EgorK is scum. But because it isn't 100% guaranteed, I am thinking about the alternatives.

For what it is worth, I don't think you are taking the right conclusions from what happened, Ash. But I don't want to feed answers to XP, so I won't say more.

But you already know what happened.  Why not explain it?

At least, the way you are talking, you seem to know already.

I think I know, but I can't be sure.

[ashersky]

If XP thought I was scum, he would Roleblocking me.  If he thought EgorK was scum, he would Roleblocking him.  There was no reason to Rolestop anyone.

This wasn't a targeting problem, it is a role usage problem.  You can argue me targeting voltaire was a bad targeting choice.  No one is saying I shouldn't have copped someone. 

[pacovf]

Egork probably doesn't have partners left, or at least not that knows of (traitor is basically what I'm saying, since SK is incerdibly unlikely).

We know there is no SK since D1. The setup specifies that there is only Realm-Aligned and Mafia players.

If XP thought I was scum, he would Roleblocking me.  If he thought EgorK was scum, he would Roleblocking him.  There was no reason to Rolestop anyone.

This wasn't a targeting problem, it is a role usage problem.  You can argue me targeting voltaire was a bad targeting choice.  No one is saying I shouldn't have copped someone. 

Let's not feed answers to XP anymore, please.

[ashersky]

I'm pointing out his insane scumminess.

If EgorK had tried at all, he could have made a great argument that XP role stopping him was super scummy and the no kill was XP framing him.

Who else is in the Roleblocking house with XP?

[pacovf]

I'm pointing out his insane scumminess.

If EgorK had tried at all, he could have made a great argument that XP role stopping him was super scummy and the no kill was XP framing him.

Who else is in the Roleblocking house with XP?

WW and Robz.

Note that only the Starks knew that there was no doctor tonight.

[pacovf]

Also EgorK didn't know he was rolestopped when he self-voted.

[faust]

Vote Count 5.1

EgorK (4): Witherweaver, Teproc, ashersky, EgorK

Not Voting (4): XerxesPraelor, pacovf, Ichimaru Gin, Robz888

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 5 ends October 14 at 5 pm forum time.

[ashersky]

Also EgorK didn't know he was rolestopped when he self-voted.

If he was reading along, he knew it was possible and that I had no result on him.

[Teproc]

Egork is scum who knows he'll be caught by PoE since day 2, that's why he's giving up.

[pacovf]

Also EgorK didn't know he was rolestopped when he self-voted.

If he was reading along, he knew it was possible and that I had no result on him.

You're actually right.

Anyway, I don't see any reason not to wait for XP to explain himself, just in case.

[Witherweaver]

Just hammer guys.  If the day isn't over we can talk more in the QT.

[Witherweaver]

I mean, if the game isn't over.

[Witherweaver]

I see zero motivation for scum Ash to not just say EgorK is guilty. 

Maybe what happened had something to do with EgorKs role, maybe Faust's version of Cop doesn't return No Results.  Most likely case is we Lynch Egor and win and figure it out after.