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[pacovf]

I have been a proponent of open information in the common thread, not in the QT. If you reread my posts in the QTs, you will notice that I was against talking there during the night.

I saw no downside to keeping it secret. And if there is more than one scum remaining, Ashersky and someone in Stark, I didn't want Ashersky to know that he would have to answer why he was in Baratheon ahead of time.

[ashersky]

If it wasn't pacovf, I'd say misguided town move.

But it's him, so scum move.

[pacovf]

If I were town, why would it be a misguided move? If you had moved to Baratheon, it would all but 100% confirm you are scum. Otherwise, no harm done.

[pacovf]

Also, why would I do this as scum? I gave a simple explanation of why this move would benefit town. I don't think such an explanation exists that fits a scum narrative.

[ashersky]

If I were town, why would it be a misguided move? If you had moved to Baratheon, it would all but 100% confirm you are scum. Otherwise, no harm done.

Right, of course.  But "if I was scum" is a pretty flimsy reason for any reason at this point.

And you could be sitting with your trigger on an arsonist.

With no way to know, your lynch is it.

vote: pacovf

[ashersky]

Also, why would I do this as scum? I gave a simple explanation of why this move would benefit town. I don't think such an explanation exists that fits a scum narrative.

Scum is in dire straits, man.  You gotta take the risk.

[XerxesPraelor]

So, ash, what's your result?

[pacovf]

Wait, did you follow when I said that the only way I could be in House Baratheon right now is if you were scum yourself?

[Witherweaver]

If it wasn't pacovf, I'd say misguided town move.

But it's him, so scum move.

Haha. Pretty sure at this point it's misguided town move.

But if you're so certain, why aren't you voting?  Isn't he slamdunk last scum to you?

[Witherweaver]

Wait, did you follow when I said that the only way I could be in House Baratheon right now is if you were scum yourself?

When did you put in your request?

[Witherweaver]

If it wasn't pacovf, I'd say misguided town move.

But it's him, so scum move.

Haha. Pretty sure at this point it's misguided town move.

But if you're so certain, why aren't you voting?  Isn't he slamdunk last scum to you?

Oh, I didn't finish catching up; you are voting.

[pacovf]

Wait, did you follow when I said that the only way I could be in House Baratheon right now is if you were scum yourself?

When did you put in your request?

During N2, so it came into effect at the beginning of D3.

[Witherweaver]

And I assume everyone can verify you were actually in your house during Night 2.

I agree here.  The only way Pacovf can be in Baratheon is if someone else was in Baratheon.  Unless there is a player that is absent from their House, that player can only be Ash.

Ash, what's your scum narrative for this?

For the record, Targaryen last night was: Me, Robz, Xerxes, and Voltaire.

[Witherweaver]

And I assume everyone can verify you were actually in your house during Night 2.

I agree here.  The only way Pacovf can be in Baratheon is if someone else was in Baratheon.  Unless there is a player that is absent from their House, that player can only be Ash.

Ash, what's your scum narrative for this?

For the record, Targaryen last night was: Me, Robz, Xerxes, and Voltaire.

I should say, the only way Pacovf can be in Baratheon now is if someone was in there during Night 2, and that someone would have to be Ash.

[Teproc]

I can confirm pacovf was in House Stark during N2 (along with Ichi, Hydrad, EgorK and myself).

I'm going to go with null on pacovf's move.

[pacovf]

And I assume everyone can verify you were actually in your house during Night 2.

I agree here.  The only way Pacovf can be in Baratheon is if someone else was in Baratheon.  Unless there is a player that is absent from their House, that player can only be Ash.

Ash, what's your scum narrative for this?

For the record, Targaryen last night was: Me, Robz, Xerxes, and Voltaire.

I should say, the only way Pacovf can be in Baratheon now is if someone was in there during Night 2, and that someone would have to be Ash.

That was the point of my test, yes. I know that it was probably unnecessary, because the likelihood of Ash being scum at this point is very low. But I am always working on a worst case scenario, and doing this test had no real drawback, so why not do it.

[Witherweaver]

I don't see anything scummy about Pacovf's move, and I actually think it's a town move, except for the obscure scenario where Pac and Ash are both scum.

But, tonight we can require Pac to move somewhere and Ash to move to Targaryen to protect against this case.

[Teproc]

The scum scenario is more that it's pacovf grabbing for towncred, which is certainly a possibility.

[Witherweaver]

The scum scenario is more that it's pacovf grabbing for towncred, which is certainly a possibility.

Eh, weird way to do it, and it's not really all that much cred.

[Robz888]

I gather from your comment that I have become houseless, since I haven't received any PM to that effect.

I asked Faust yesterday what would happen if someone were to try to move to an empty house. His answer was that one would become houseless.

Since it was impossible to know whether Ashersky would remain houseless or move to House Baratheon, having full control of an arsonist, I decided that it would be good for me to attempt to move to House Baratheon at the beginning of D3. That way, we could know whether House Baratheon had or hadn't perished. Since I am not in House Baratheon right now, I deduce that it has indeed perished, and that Ashersky didn't attempt to move into it.

I still have one movement left, so I can move to whichever house people think I should move to.

Vote: Pacovf

Absolute scum move, I agree with ash completely.

[pacovf]

I gather from your comment that I have become houseless, since I haven't received any PM to that effect.

I asked Faust yesterday what would happen if someone were to try to move to an empty house. His answer was that one would become houseless.

Since it was impossible to know whether Ashersky would remain houseless or move to House Baratheon, having full control of an arsonist, I decided that it would be good for me to attempt to move to House Baratheon at the beginning of D3. That way, we could know whether House Baratheon had or hadn't perished. Since I am not in House Baratheon right now, I deduce that it has indeed perished, and that Ashersky didn't attempt to move into it.

I still have one movement left, so I can move to whichever house people think I should move to.

Vote: Pacovf

Absolute scum move, I agree with ash completely.

Ash said that it was a scum move because it allowed me to control Baratheon. That is false, as has been pointed out already. If you think it is a scum move for some other reason, could you please expand?

[Robz888]

It's scummy to do any kind of discreet House checking thing involving the House with the one power that could possibly save scum at this point. Yes, it's far-fetched, but only a last desperate scum would try for such a thing.

[pacovf]

I could not get into Baratheon unless Ashersky saved it first. How does that fit into "pacovf is scum desperately trying to get an arsonist"?

[Robz888]

I could not get into Baratheon unless Ashersky saved it first. How does that fit into "pacovf is scum desperately trying to get an arsonist"?

Because you tried to get into the House with arsonist.

If this was a pure pro-town motive, you would have told us first. You're not an IC, you don't get to just do stuff and have us assume you are town. Scum move.

[pacovf]

You gave Ashersky the benefit of the doubt D1 and D2 when he was saying that he wouldn't follow any plans, and not giving any reason for it. Why the double standard here?

I am not "doing stuff and having you assume I am town". I am doing stuff that can help town and that would give me zero advantage if I were scum. I repeat, I didn't try to get into the house with the arsonist. Please reread what I did.