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[ashersky]

So, who we lynching?

It would be great if you could help provide some input. You are an IC* for realz.

General consensus is the pool should be off-wagon (ash/Hydrad/EgorK/silver). I think everyone is giving ash a pass for his claim. That means Hydrad, EgorK, silver.

So, any input you have on those three would be great.

We could order the three, like you did, see where that gets us.

I'd go silver > Hydrad > EgorK

[Robz888]

So, who we lynching?

It would be great if you could help provide some input. You are an IC* for realz.

General consensus is the pool should be off-wagon (ash/Hydrad/EgorK/silver). I think everyone is giving ash a pass for his claim. That means Hydrad, EgorK, silver.

So, any input you have on those three would be great.

I have given ash a pass as well. I am most strongly in favor of Hydrad. I'm not so sure about silverspawn, hi actions kinda read town to me. Egork I have almost no read on whatsoever.

[Robz888]

Hydrad >>>>>>>>> Egork > Silverspawn

[Voltaire]

Any thought on the setup re: claims? Cop, Tracker, 1-shot Cop as town's PRs? (with XP as a negative-utility VT)

I do not have a fully-formed opinion myself on this area.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Teproc was the one who was on the alternative wagon to PPS when they were both at L-2. I asked both him and WW to convince me which wagon I should join, and ended up going for PPS.

Though there are a lot of moments that make me go town!Teproc, that's the one I give the most weight.

I'm sorry, I said that wrong. Teproc was ON PPS when there was an alternative wagon.

Ok thanks. That does make him pretty townie and helps alleviate a little of my paranoia. Especially with us giving him the House power and everything last night, I was feeling a little concerned.

Maybe things are just that easy with all these near-IC's running around.

PPE: Robz and I have same preferences. Let's lynch Hydrad now please.

[Robz888]

Any thought on the setup re: claims? Cop, Tracker, 1-shot Cop as town's PRs? (with XP as a negative-utility VT)

I do not have a fully-formed opinion myself on this area.

It's hard too say... town does seem a bit stacked. But, that could be the case.

Right now my town reads are the strongest thing. I absolutely, absolutely, absolutely believe that you, ashersky, and WW are not mafia. I also highly doubt XP is mafia. I believe the claims, with the possible exception of Silverspawn.

[Witherweaver]

I would be interested in some legitimate Robz reads.

[Witherweaver]

Well I wrote that before reading Robz' post.  But some, like, analysis, maybe some quotes and stuff would be cool.

[Robz888]

I would be interested in some legitimate Robz reads.

I... I just gave them? I've given them a couple times now.

[Witherweaver]

I would be interested in some legitimate Robz reads.

I... I just gave them? I've given them a couple times now.

Yeah I don't PPE sometimes.

[silverspawn]

Yeah I don't PPE sometimes

shame on you

[Voltaire]

Though Hydrad is my #3 preference, I'll still be happy with his lynch.

I think we need a plan for tonight, though. Assuming a lynch of Hydrad, I say

1. myself > Targ (locks me in to Targ) OR myself > houseless (locks me in as houseless) OR myself = Baratheon (lets me see if people don't leave/join, but lets the House remain. Not sure why we'd do that. Though I could move later)
2. All Baratheons (silver, EgorK) > Stark (to give Stark Hand of the King so they're strongman)

This strongmans the Doctor, leaves myself and ash as doc targets for WIFOM, and restricts myself very little (by being unable to track the Targs, all strong town reads). Ash can still target anyone.

Anyone not following the plan is obv!scum. It allows scum!ash to go to Baratheon and not be noticed unless I stay in Baratheon. I suppose scum could go to Baratheon and then attempt to kill me even if I stay and I can't rat them out, but then they're unaccounted for, so. Also, if we ever get concerned on ash we could make him move again under threat of lynch to test if he has moves (but what are the odds ash follows that plan, gah).

I think this makes sense, anybody think we should do anything different?

[silverspawn]

so, it seems like I'm not getting lynched after all. that's good. with a calmer observation, hydrad's jump on my wagon could easily be town!hydrad trying to make up a reason to get me lynched, purely for self-preservation. in fact, that's probably what happened.

but IG's case on him was pretty good. also, it seems to be him or me, so I'll leave my vote where it is.

Or Egork. I'll also do Egork. He isn't lurking as hard anymore, but I'm still null on him. it's an okay lynch in our position.

[Witherweaver]

I think I'm okay with that.  I'm not tooooo worried about the Ash->Baratheon thing.  And pryo is not the most efficient way to kill people.. have to prime, hope that target doesn't get killed or lynched, then ignite.  If we're afraid of getting ignited we can consider lynching Ash.

Anyone that's houseless other than Ash is autoscum.

You coming to Targ means you can't Track us, but if we believe Ash, then Robz is town.  I'm town, and I believe XP is.  So, not the biggest risk. 

[Voltaire]

Is there a compelling reason for me to move? Would people trust me if I stayed in Baratheon? Or do we need to attempt to kill it tonight. That's mainly why I was planning on moving, but I guess I could save the movement? Honestly, I'm not certain on the best call here.

[Witherweaver]

Is there a compelling reason for me to move? Would people trust me if I stayed in Baratheon? Or do we need to attempt to kill it tonight. That's mainly why I was planning on moving, but I guess I could save the movement? Honestly, I'm not certain on the best call here.

Well, killing it prevents anyone else from moving there.  Small problem if in the future we can't maintain Town control of a House, and scum can lie about whether all their members are in there, and send one to Baratheon if you move out or are killed. 

[ashersky]

Any thought on the setup re: claims? Cop, Tracker, 1-shot Cop as town's PRs? (with XP as a negative-utility VT)

I do not have a fully-formed opinion myself on this area.

It's hard too say... town does seem a bit stacked. But, that could be the case.

I've stated before I think Silver is lying.  Taking that out, Cop + Tracker isn't crazy at all.  It happens a lot.  The game would have been balanced at the outset, taking into account scum PRs and House PR interactions -- so even if with the current mass claim it seems stacked for town, well scum didn't claim their real powers for us, and we smacked one of their strongest on D1.

If scum got control of any of the houses on any night, that significantly raises their power level (by removing town power).  I'm not concerned with the setup seeming "off" given I'm positive Silver is lying about being a 1-Shot Cop.

[Voltaire]

Is there a compelling reason for me to move? Would people trust me if I stayed in Baratheon? Or do we need to attempt to kill it tonight. That's mainly why I was planning on moving, but I guess I could save the movement? Honestly, I'm not certain on the best call here.

Well, killing it prevents anyone else from moving there.  Small problem if in the future we can't maintain Town control of a House, and scum can lie about whether all their members are in there, and send one to Baratheon if you move out or are killed.

Fair point. I guess I should go to Targ just because then I'm helping town control a House? For crazy end-game situations where we've somehow done terribly?

[silverspawn]

to be perfectly honest, i'm not really motivated anymore for this game. we're in a great spot, town has a huge amount of PR, and with the follow the cop strat, the setup seems to be broken anyway. and for some reason I have this stupid PR that'll get me killed. by the way, who even said that all cops are sane here? or are non-sane cops only a thing in bastard? I think the wiki said, only random results are considered bastard. maybe ash is just a naive cop, and that's why we have so much power?

anyway, my point is that I'm not really invested enough to think much about the setup, so i'll probably not contribute there. tell me where I'll move, and if I survive today, I'll move there. Tomorrow you'll lynch me anyway, so it doesn't really make a difference. I probably should fight more, but eh we'll likely win anyway. it's not like one wrong lynch is going to cost us the game, after we got scum day 1. and even if we don't win, I don't see me convincing anyone anymore. reread my day1, if you still want to lynch me, go ahead. i'll do hydrad or egork, but if that doesn't work, it's fine.

[Voltaire]

Cops are sane here unless stated otherwise. And even in Bastard I don't know if we've ever done alt-sanity Cops.

This seems a big stretch.

[ashersky]

Is there a compelling reason for me to move? Would people trust me if I stayed in Baratheon? Or do we need to attempt to kill it tonight. That's mainly why I was planning on moving, but I guess I could save the movement? Honestly, I'm not certain on the best call here.

I prefer that the house arsonist vig thing not exist anymore, as I think it can only be anti-town.  As has been mentioned, at best it's a killing power in the hands of a player of unknown alignment targeting other players of unknown alignment.  At worst, it's scum priming town.

I think it's safe to abandon.  There will be someone left alive in each house no matter what, so they can report back membership to find who didn't follow the plan.  If you fear that I grabbed Baratheon, there's always the moves test, as I only have one move left since becoming houseless.

There's 50% chance I'm dead tomorrow anyway, as scum needs to kill one of us.  If they leave us both alive for wifom, awesome.

[ashersky]

This seems a big stretch.

It also seems like a super-scummy ATE.

[Voltaire]

This seems a big stretch.

It also seems like a super-scummy ATE.

Agreed. At a time when it looks like we're back to lynching Hydrad over him.

Also, I'm going to Targ based on advice from WW/ash, everyone.

[Robz888]

I like Voltaire's plan. Volt, come on over to Targ.

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Silverspawn

I think it's best.