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[ashersky]

I'll withhold my result until claims are done.

[Teproc]

Who knows when whole will be back.  I could wait,  or I could claim right now. Since it's only one out of order.

Phone Post

We've got time. The order is here for a reason.

[Teproc]

I'll withhold my result until claims are done.

That's not how massclaiming is done.

[ashersky]

I'll withhold my result until claims are done.

That's not how massclaiming is done.

Maybe not.

I'll amend.  I will claim my result at some point after my target claims.

There is value in holding back results until the right moment.

[EgorK]

I am Melisandre, Vanilla Lady

[Teproc]

I'll withhold my result until claims are done.

That's not how massclaiming is done.

Maybe not.

I'll amend.  I will claim my result at some point after my target claims.

There is value in holding back results until the right moment.

Obviously there's value in that, no one is denying that, the problem is that there is great value in waiting for scum.

PPE : So Egork claimed. Was it Egork ?

Ichi please don't claim yet, I'm not sure we want to let ash wait.

[Voltaire]

ash absolutely does not get to wait. We can lynch him now if he'd prefer.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Ok glad I checked again before posting, cause I was just about to claim.

[EgorK]

I'll withhold my result until claims are done.

That's not how massclaiming is done.

Maybe not.

I'll amend.  I will claim my result at some point after my target claims.

There is value in holding back results until the right moment.

Obviously there's value in that, no one is denying that, the problem is that there is great value in waiting for scum.

PPE : So Egork claimed. Was it Egork ?

Ichi please don't claim yet, I'm not sure we want to let ash wait.

I do not see how mafia imposting cop need to wait. Unless of course there are more than one faction. And XP now most ICest IC to me (unless ss is scum and that bold to point to his only partner)

[Voltaire]

ash, if you're town, I get that there's value in waiting. But you need to give us something (your result) for us to give you something (belief of your claim).*

*I know this is ironic what with me half-claimed myself, but I gave my initial claim to get the massclaim rolling, and now WW and Teproc, my two biggest town reads, have agreed to put you at the top of the massclaim and me at the bottom so, what can you do.

[EgorK]

Through with this amount of investigative roles and house powers to boot there may be more than 3 scum of course to balance

[Teproc]

Through with this amount of investigative roles and house powers to boot there may be more than 3 scum of course to balance

That's one interpretation.

[Hydrad]

huh interesting. I didn't think it would be a problem with ash waiting to say his investigation. I'm slightly confused as to why its such a big deal.

[EgorK]

Through with this amount of investigative roles and house powers to boot there may be more than 3 scum of course to balance

That's one interpretation.

The other one being 2 scum claimed investigative roles?

[Voltaire]

huh interesting. I didn't think it would be a problem with ash waiting to say his investigation. I'm slightly confused as to why its such a big deal.

scum!ash waits to see who is the most suspicious based on claims, or who is the most obviously town, and then goes "Hey guys! I have a result that confirms what you already knew!"

Or, alternately, scum!ash finds the most dangerous PR to his team, and fakes a guilty result, hoping to win the 50/50 split. He's lynched tomorrow, but got a strong PR mislynched today. And ashersky is famous, as scum, for knowing he won't live to the endgame - so he tries to go down in confusing flames.

Just two of many possibilities.

Another possibility is ash is town, of course.

[silverspawn]

Through with this amount of investigative roles and house powers to boot there may be more than 3 scum of course to balance

That's one interpretation.

The other one being 2 scum claimed investigative roles?

it makes zero sense for scum!me to claim PR so early when it wouldn't even have had to claim first.

[silverspawn]

it *I

[Teproc]

huh interesting. I didn't think it would be a problem with ash waiting to say his investigation. I'm slightly confused as to why its such a big deal.

The whole reason there's a claiming order is to make is that, hopefully, scum has the least information possible when making their claim.

Obviously ash would want to wait as much as possible regardless of his alignment, and if he's town we might be helping scum by asking him to do it now, but the whole reason he is before other people in the claiming order is because he's more likely to be scum than them.

PPE : 3

[pacovf]

Phone post, very low on battery, either I claim now or I claim in 48 hours, rather claim now: vainilla lord. I will post thoughts when I am back. Sorry for messing up with ash claim.

[ashersky]

ash absolutely does not get to wait. We can lynch him now if he'd prefer.

Then lynch me.

[Voltaire]

This is where we are:

ashersky (finishes claiming)
Ichimaru Gin
Robz888
XerxesPraelor
Teproc
Voltaire
Witherweaver

[Voltaire]

ash, if you're town, I get that there's value in waiting. But you need to give us something (your result) for us to give you something (belief of your claim).*

*I know this is ironic what with me half-claimed myself, but I gave my initial claim to get the massclaim rolling, and now WW and Teproc, my two biggest town reads, have agreed to put you at the top of the massclaim and me at the bottom so, what can you do.

[silverspawn]

well I will vote for you if you don't claim. Leaving you alive seems like it can lead my mislynch, and if you are really a cop, you will claim before you get lynched.

[silverspawn]

though, P is still alive, so maybe i'm worried over nothing.

[ashersky]

I could keep being coy, or I could just say it, since I've always known I was just going to say it.

I am an investigative role with a result from N1.

So, let's take it from here.

mh, but why don't we do an ordered massclaim instead? you shouldn't have to claim first

but oh well. i'm a one-shot cop. I used my shot N1 on XP and received Innocent.

Also, remember that SS just finished a game of C9++, where 1-shot cop is fairly normal sounding, the chance of multiple cops exists (which he argues later) and he even used the PM language from C9++ (Innocent result).

This is a scum fake claim.

XP is basically cleared, as I doubt he names his partner.