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[yuma]

Vote Count 7.2

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ashersky: (1) raerae
raerae: (1) ashersky

Not voting: (1) Jimmmmm

With three alive it takes two to lynch.

Deadline for Day7 is August 21, 2013 at 6 pm forum time.

[raerae]

Jimmmmm, I'd be happy to answer any questions you have but I just don't see the utility in berating you with my ash case until you're sick of it.  You've read us both, you've seen both our arguments, you need to do what you think is best and I don't think ash and I should be a part of that discussion.  Please let me know if you have questions.

[Jimmmmm]

raerae, what do you make of sudgy's #1128?

[raerae]

Just to verify...this post from kermit, right?

So, who should we lynch today, Ash?

It looks like nkirbit is the loser here, no matter what I say.  Most of these folks don't trust me anyway.

I think it is important to remember that, if you are wrong about nkirbit, we're at mylo on D3, assuming another death tonight.

We still have the psychologist out there, right?  Is that all that's left?  With the vig out of the way, I recommend coming forward with the first scum result you get.  Only IC someone if they're about to be lynched.

Note how ash here says psychologist, without considering detective.

If we held this to the standards that Ash held EFHW's "scumslip" in Innovation, this definitely looks like a "copslip" to me.. knowing that a psych is in the game, not a detective.

Now, I didn't think EFHW's scumslip was one, and it turns out it wasn't.  But this is coming from Ash, who sees slips everywhere.

[Jimmmmm]

Yep.

[Jimmmmm]

Oh whoops yeah him.

[raerae]

Looks just like trying to get hints on who it is, get somebody to slip something about it, that sort of thing. 

[ashersky]

Just to verify...this post from kermit, right?

So, who should we lynch today, Ash?

It looks like nkirbit is the loser here, no matter what I say.  Most of these folks don't trust me anyway.

I think it is important to remember that, if you are wrong about nkirbit, we're at mylo on D3, assuming another death tonight.

We still have the psychologist out there, right?  Is that all that's left?  With the vig out of the way, I recommend coming forward with the first scum result you get.  Only IC someone if they're about to be lynched.

Note how ash here says psychologist, without considering detective.

If we held this to the standards that Ash held EFHW's "scumslip" in Innovation, this definitely looks like a "copslip" to me.. knowing that a psych is in the game, not a detective.

Now, I didn't think EFHW's scumslip was one, and it turns out it wasn't.  But this is coming from Ash, who sees slips everywhere.

Jimmmmm, your gut reaction to this post, when it happened, was that he was telling his scum buddies to kill me because of my "PR slip."  If I was partners with nkirbit, how does this make any sense?  I did "PR slip" because I tried to draw an NK as VT.  This interaction draws way to much attention to me to have been talking about a scum buddy.


Raerae's question here is interesting.  She asks me who we should lynch.  If nkirbit and raerae are thinking I'm the PR, they could be seeing if I know anything yet.

Also, the phrasing: "So, who should we lynch today, Ash?"

Change the second comma to a question mark.  Then change lynch to kill.  A stretch, but possibly a message to a dying scum buddy.  "So, who should we kill today?  Ash?"  It tracks with nkirbit's reactions.

[Jimmmmm]

Looks just like trying to get hints on who it is, get somebody to slip something about it, that sort of thing.

By naming a partner?

[raerae]

Looks just like trying to get hints on who it is, get somebody to slip something about it, that sort of thing.

By naming a partner?

Well, ash saying something about being the PR and kermit runs with it hoping the real PR will object or say something to tip them off.  Obviously TA had half a brain and didn't play to that but you can't blame scum for trying. I mean, if Ash were just a townie why wouldn't scum have killed him based on that?  It does look like a PR slip. 

[raerae]

Also, ash, I hope you warmed up before that stretch.  Wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

[ashersky]

Also, ash, I hope you warmed up before that stretch.  Wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

There she is.  Because this:

Jimmmmm, I'd be happy to answer any questions you have but I just don't see the utility in berating you with my ash case until you're sick of it.  You've read us both, you've seen both our arguments, you need to do what you think is best and I don't think ash and I should be a part of that discussion.  Please let me know if you have questions.

Didn't sound like town!raerae at all.

[ashersky]

Looks just like trying to get hints on who it is, get somebody to slip something about it, that sort of thing.

By naming a partner?

Well, ash saying something about being the PR and kermit runs with it hoping the real PR will object or say something to tip them off.  Obviously TA had half a brain and didn't play to that but you can't blame scum for trying. I mean, if Ash were just a townie why wouldn't scum have killed him based on that?  It does look like a PR slip.

The only person to say anything was Jimmmmm, who told me to fess up to being the PR/any info I have in case I die.

[Jimmmmm]

vote: twistedarcher.

I think the claim was premature and designed to out the real PR.

I think if you flip PR, we lynch liopoil and ashersky, probably.

Agreed.

lolwut?

[ashersky]

vote: twistedarcher.

I think the claim was premature and designed to out the real PR.

I think if you flip PR, we lynch liopoil and ashersky, probably.

Agreed.

lolwut?

I didn't believe TA, and I agreed that he was trying to out the real PR.  Lio countered, so he would have been the next lynch if TA wasn't lying.

[Jimmmmm]

vote: twistedarcher.

I think the claim was premature and designed to out the real PR.

I think if you flip PR, we lynch liopoil and ashersky, probably.

Agreed.

lolwut?

I didn't believe TA, and I agreed that he was trying to out the real PR.  Lio countered, so he would have been the next lynch if TA wasn't lying.

You agreed that we should lynch lio then you?

[ashersky]

Looks just like trying to get hints on who it is, get somebody to slip something about it, that sort of thing.

By naming a partner?

Well, ash saying something about being the PR and kermit runs with it hoping the real PR will object or say something to tip them off.  Obviously TA had half a brain and didn't play to that but you can't blame scum for trying. I mean, if Ash were just a townie why wouldn't scum have killed him based on that?  It does look like a PR slip.

The reason I am hardly ever the NK (under 30% of all games I play, in fact): because it makes more sense to leave me around for mislynching, given my playstyle.

[Jimmmmm]

...if TA flipped PR?

[ashersky]

vote: twistedarcher.

I think the claim was premature and designed to out the real PR.

I think if you flip PR, we lynch liopoil and ashersky, probably.

Agreed.

lolwut?

I didn't believe TA, and I agreed that he was trying to out the real PR.  Lio countered, so he would have been the next lynch if TA wasn't lying.

You agreed that we should lynch lio then you?

I agreed that was how it would probably go.  I didn't expect to be alive at Lylo though.  We went NL-TA-Lio-NL.

I thought it was going to go NL-TA-find last scum.  But if TA was telling the truth, he would have been the NK that first night, then we'd lynch lio for counterclaiming softly, then probably me for sucking, then you'd be in lylo without me.

Pretty dumb plan/post if I was scum with lio, no?

[ashersky]

Jimmmmm, I am not sure which you prefer, or which you find more compelling--for me to give reasons I am the remaining town or reasons raerae is the remaining scum.

As for me being town, I'd mention Masons and Monks again.  I played this game a lot like that one.  Best example I can give.

I was dead wrong on TA.  That sucked.  Co-LVPs there, if you end up picking wrong because of my crap play earlier.

I think the evidence is there against raerae, all over D1.  That's where you'll find the answers you are looking for.

[Jimmmmm]

vote: twistedarcher.

I think the claim was premature and designed to out the real PR.

I think if you flip PR, we lynch liopoil and ashersky, probably.

Agreed.

lolwut?

I didn't believe TA, and I agreed that he was trying to out the real PR.  Lio countered, so he would have been the next lynch if TA wasn't lying.

You agreed that we should lynch lio then you?

I agreed that was how it would probably go.  I didn't expect to be alive at Lylo though.  We went NL-TA-Lio-NL.

I thought it was going to go NL-TA-find last scum.  But if TA was telling the truth, he would have been the NK that first night, then we'd lynch lio for counterclaiming softly, then probably me for sucking, then you'd be in lylo without me.

Pretty dumb plan/post if I was scum with lio, no?

Well it's dumb either way because getting lynched at lylo with one scum left is a loss for anyone. My thought is, if you were Town you wouldn't want to get lynched if TA was Town. If you were scum you wanted to continue your feigned sureness about TA, planning all along to act surprised and change your mind after he flips.

[ashersky]

I was so sure, though.  No feigning.

[Jimmmmm]

"If you were scum"

[Jimmmmm]

ash, in as few words as possible rather than a 9000 word post, why did you change your mind from PoEing me to raerae?

[Jimmmmm]

SO I've finished a reasonably thorough re-read on ash, which became more of full re-read as the game became quicker and more interesting.

Something I know for sure: if ash is scum and I get this wrong, I will be very annoyed. Also, TA and likely others will have cause to be annoyed with me, because man it's all there. ash has, in my mind, played a very anti-Town game. No offense. I know you agree in part. Opposing and confusing a good Hider plan, advocating lynching our PR even without a counterclaim, opposing the clear choice of a no-lynch. The problem is, this ash, the ash who I spend all game wanting to policy vote turns out to be Town with frustrating frequency.

I'll admit I haven't re-read raerae (say that 7 times fast) yet, but I must say she hasn't been particularly memorable this game. As ash has pointed out, I tend to remember Town raerae.