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[Jimmmmm]

Currently not voting for Chairs:

shraeye, mcmcsalot, chairs, Jimmmm, TA, ashersky, Robz

Ashersky has said he will not vote Chairs,  Robz has said he would prefer Voltaire, and everyone else is on Voltaire.  Do we think any of these players are likely to move to Chairs?  If not, I should move to Mcmc, because I would prefer a Mcmc lynch to a voltaire lynch.

I'll switch to avoid a no-lynch.

[ashersky]

Currently not voting for Chairs:

shraeye, mcmcsalot, chairs, Jimmmm, TA, ashersky, Robz

Ashersky has said he will not vote Chairs,  Robz has said he would prefer Voltaire, and everyone else is on Voltaire.  Do we think any of these players are likely to move to Chairs?  If not, I should move to Mcmc, because I would prefer a Mcmc lynch to a voltaire lynch.

From that list, I think shraeye's conviction for NOT voting chairs is as strong as mine.

Jimmmmm is your most likely switcher, given he's lurked so hard this game.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Jimmmm, if you're around, how do you feel about mccmsalot?

[Twistedarcher]

Wait, what?  Why is Chairs to Volt the easy way?  I'd think that would be equally scummy.  Particularly if Volt flips town as I suspect he will.  Is this whole argument predicated on you assuming Volt is scum or am I missing something?

Chairs to Volt wouldn't be scummy if Volt flips scum. Why do you think someone would be scummy for doing that, if Volt ended up being scum?

I get why they'd be viewed as scummy if Volt were to flip town. But why would it be scummy if he flips scum? Even if a mafia gets town cred for lynching Volt, heck, I'd take that to get one scum out of the way.

[Robz888]

Seems like this is necessary.

Vote: Voltaire

No idea what the vote count is. And actually, I told yuma I would let him know if there was a hammer. I'm a bit drunk though, help would be appreciated.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

And honestly, if we're stuck at L-1 on both Volt and Chairs, is it better to hope someone hammers against their better judgement to avoid a no-lynch, or is it better to try to get another thing going while there might still be time.

also, is there still time?  There might not be, but more people seem to be on right now than most nights this time.

[Robz888]

^^^necessary to avoid chairs lynch, which I believe to be a lynch on town

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Wait, what?  Why is Chairs to Volt the easy way?  I'd think that would be equally scummy.  Particularly if Volt flips town as I suspect he will.  Is this whole argument predicated on you assuming Volt is scum or am I missing something?

Chairs to Volt wouldn't be scummy if Volt flips scum. Why do you think someone would be scummy for doing that, if Volt ended up being scum?

I get why they'd be viewed as scummy if Volt were to flip town. But why would it be scummy if he flips scum? Even if a mafia gets town cred for lynching Volt, heck, I'd take that to get one scum out of the way.

Because reading comprehension.

[Twistedarcher]

That's L-1, I believe.

[Twistedarcher]

Wait, what?  Why is Chairs to Volt the easy way?  I'd think that would be equally scummy.  Particularly if Volt flips town as I suspect he will.  Is this whole argument predicated on you assuming Volt is scum or am I missing something?

Chairs to Volt wouldn't be scummy if Volt flips scum. Why do you think someone would be scummy for doing that, if Volt ended up being scum?

I get why they'd be viewed as scummy if Volt were to flip town. But why would it be scummy if he flips scum? Even if a mafia gets town cred for lynching Volt, heck, I'd take that to get one scum out of the way.

Because reading comprehension.

Who's the fool who can't read, me or you If it's me correct me please, I am missing something!

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Wait, what?  Why is Chairs to Volt the easy way?  I'd think that would be equally scummy.  Particularly if Volt flips town as I suspect he will.  Is this whole argument predicated on you assuming Volt is scum or am I missing something?

Chairs to Volt wouldn't be scummy if Volt flips scum. Why do you think someone would be scummy for doing that, if Volt ended up being scum?

I get why they'd be viewed as scummy if Volt were to flip town. But why would it be scummy if he flips scum? Even if a mafia gets town cred for lynching Volt, heck, I'd take that to get one scum out of the way.

Because reading comprehension.

Who's the fool who can't read, me or you If it's me correct me please, I am missing something!

[Twistedarcher]

Right right, but saying "particularly if he flips town", means that they'd be scummy even if he DOESN'T flip town, just not as scummy.

Which I don't get, and I'm asking you to explain why.

[nkirbit]

Unofficial Vote Count:

Voltaire (6): shraeye, mcmcsalot, chairs, Jimmmm, TA, Robz (L-1)
chairs (6): nkirbit, Voltaire, Eevee, Snow, raerae, liopoil (L-1)
mcmcsalot: (1) ashersky

[Twistedarcher]

Don't screw up, Ash. Looks like it's your call.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Oh.

Well this is a dumb semantics argument then.

No, I don't think it'd be scummy if someone hammered scum.  But I have no way to know that he's scum, and presumably neither you or Ash or anyone other than scum do either.  I thought Ash was saying that town would have an easier time switching.

Maybe he isn't saying that, sorry.  No hammering scum is not scummy.  I just don't think Volt is scum.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I'll keep my particulars out of sight next time.  They just dangle out there and make everything awkward and confusing.

[Twistedarcher]

I'll keep my particulars out of sight next time.  They just dangle out there and make everything awkward and confusing.

Not to worry

Do the right think, Ash. Hammer Volt. Don't hammer Chairs, he's just a poor little VT.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I think Ash is pretty clearly going to hammer Voltaire.

Glad we at least came to a lynch before the deadline, but I do not think this is the right one.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

At least we have such a long Twilight before Yuma locks the thread, so Volt has time to claim even though he said he won't be on until tomorrow.

[ashersky]

I'm willing to hammer Voltaire, as mentioned.

He's not around; is it worth waiting for him?  I do think a claim is useful.  Problem is that my time zone sucks for the deadline.

[ashersky]

Hey guys woah. I wasn't planning on reading the thread tonight but I saw 3-4 new pages and wanted to read in case there was a lynch or something. I don't have time to reply to everything right now but I will be online tomorrow morning before the deadline, but only starting about an hour beforehand. I know that sucks but I have to go to bed now. I'll try to get on earlier if I can.

We should lynch chairs. This nonsense that scum would claim a PR is insane. Scum will claim VT in this game - anything else is an insta-counterclaim and death.

For reference, here's Voltaire's final post.

This is after a lot had happened, but before he reached L-1.  This was also one of the scummier of his posts.  I posted to that effect previously.

I'm ready to hammer.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I don't have time to reply to everything right now but I will be online tomorrow morning before the deadline, but only starting about an hour beforehand. I know that sucks but I have to go to bed now. I'll try to get on earlier if I can.

An hour before the deadline isn't much.  It isn't enough time for you to really make any decision based on what he is going to claim?

I don't know, do you think anyone else can hammer if you can't?  I think everyone's on one wagon or the other but you.  And he may not be on in that time.

On the other hand, what if he's a powerrole?  Shit, I don't know.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I will check in tomorrow evening regardless of there being a lynch or a no-lynch and will lock the thread then. So expect some twilight for you all.

I'm not sure if the Twilight matters to this at all, but this is what Yuma said.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.17

{insert flavor}

Voltaire (5): shraeye, mcmcsalot, chairs, Jimmmm, TA (L-2)
chairs (6): nkirbit, Voltaire, Eevee, Snow, raerae, liopoil (L-1)
mcmcsalot: (1) ashersky
lipoil (1): Robz


With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day1 ends July 22nd at 10:30 a.m. forum time.

For reference, this was the last official vote count.  I rechecked, and other than the UoS change to mcmcsalot and back, the wagons were the same until Robz cast his Voltaire vote.

Both are at L-1.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Our handling of this deadline, as a group, has been a complete clusterfuck.

Amusingly, Ash, the man with the hammer, has probably been one of the best about trying to work towards getting things done on time.