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[ashersky]

I'm not really clear on why this earns a vote from you?

Partly to put pressure on TA.  Partly to see how people feel about it.  Partly because I do have a growing scumread on the guy.  As mentioned previously, my strongest scumread is on mcmc.  He's got IRL excuses to consider, but I do get a scum feel from his posts.

My past experiences with TA, more as a mod than a player, have been that scum!TA is a bit more emotional than town!TA.  I could be wrong, but that's the feel I have for him.  And he's been more emotional about his case on me not gaining traction than I'd expect town!TA to have.  I think he does that because he thinks emotional = towny, overall.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

What, exactly, does a soft-deadline mean?  From the thread I read, it seemed pretty meaningless, but it seems like proposing it or agreeing to it makes you towny for some reason?  I don't really get it, do people ever actually meet a soft deadline?

For what it's worth, I'm okay with aiming for midnight (or whenever) Thursday, I can be around a good amount between now and then, and Thursday night itself shouldn't be a problem, I can be online for most of that.

[ashersky]

You are mostly right that Soft Deadlines are usually meaningless.

They are deadlines ahead of real deadlines at which point we hope to have decided upon a lynch, and can leave time for claiming/discussion before finalizing it.  It was a bigger deal when more games were using Bankable Deadlines, but I might be the only mod that still does.

It's supposed to work like a motivator to get people to commit.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Splitting headache rereading this (and not from the theory talk  ).  Can't decide who I should vote for yet, all the cases seem pretty weak, trying to come up with somewhere I feel comfortable parking my vote or some better reasoning.

Nkirbit was leading the pack for a bit, still might be where I end up voting, based on his sudden shift to "well it isn't unanimous, guess we should have no plan at all then" after like 3 posts from Ash, and based on the vote that Shraeye pointed out a couple pages back.

But then Shraeye triggers all kinds of scummy feelings for me, although much of it may just be questionable logic, and at this time of night I'm having trouble separating scuminess from posts that just bother me in what may be a non-scummy way.  (Lack of spellcheck==scum!, me putting in effort==scum!).

I think Robz is currently my top scumread though.  First for his continually baffling example of that previous game in his first post, where he seems to mis-explain just about everything if I'm reading the followups right, and where he uses "We made a plan, then a bunch of complicated shit happened which didn't relate to the plan, therefore plans are bad.", for his voting Volt based of TA's minor-calling-out-of-Volt and then without further comment escalating that into him being "manifestly the scummiest player".  He seems to bring up the Volt case a lot without expanding on it until 481 where he says there were a bunch of other examples without pointing them out.  Also for ignoring me asking about this back in 395.

And dismissing Chairs' entire defense by calling it reasonable, therefore scummy in 517 is a nice way to keep pushing a potential mislynch without engaging in the reasoning in any way.

And as Ash points out in 521, Robz keeps saying that he sucks at being town.  I think this could be a good way to push a mislynch and set us up not to assign too much blame for it later.

Okay, I think I've talked myself into it.
Vote: Robz

[Robz888]

Splitting headache rereading this (and not from the theory talk  ).  Can't decide who I should vote for yet, all the cases seem pretty weak, trying to come up with somewhere I feel comfortable parking my vote or some better reasoning.

Nkirbit was leading the pack for a bit, still might be where I end up voting, based on his sudden shift to "well it isn't unanimous, guess we should have no plan at all then" after like 3 posts from Ash, and based on the vote that Shraeye pointed out a couple pages back.

But then Shraeye triggers all kinds of scummy feelings for me, although much of it may just be questionable logic, and at this time of night I'm having trouble separating scuminess from posts that just bother me in what may be a non-scummy way.  (Lack of spellcheck==scum!, me putting in effort==scum!).

I think Robz is currently my top scumread though.  First for his continually baffling example of that previous game in his first post, where he seems to mis-explain just about everything if I'm reading the followups right, and where he uses "We made a plan, then a bunch of complicated shit happened which didn't relate to the plan, therefore plans are bad.", for his voting Volt based of TA's minor-calling-out-of-Volt and then without further comment escalating that into him being "manifestly the scummiest player".  He seems to bring up the Volt case a lot without expanding on it until 481 where he says there were a bunch of other examples without pointing them out.  Also for ignoring me asking about this back in 395.

And dismissing Chairs' entire defense by calling it reasonable, therefore scummy in 517 is a nice way to keep pushing a potential mislynch without engaging in the reasoning in any way.

And as Ash points out in 521, Robz keeps saying that he sucks at being town.  I think this could be a good way to push a mislynch and set us up not to assign too much blame for it later.

Okay, I think I've talked myself into it.
Vote: Robz

You've almost sold me on that lynch, too. Nice work. Someone else will have to tell you that you're wrong. I can't, because you aren't wrong on the facts, you're just wrong that those facts make me scum. You'll have to take someone's word for it. You won't (and shouldn't) take mine.

[yuma]

Vote Count 1.11

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"Hm, I prefer Kipling, myself," said The Mechanic 'The female of the species is more deadly than the male.' You like Kipling?" he said to The Cook.

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liopoil (1): nkirbit
ashersky (3): TA, Eevee, Voltaire
Voltaire (2): Robz, shraeye
nkirbit (1): mcmcsalot
Robz (2): chairs, Snow
TA (1): ashersky

Not voting: (3) liopoil, Jimmmm, raerae

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day1 Ends in 8 days. July 22nd at 10:30 a.m. forum time.

[chairs]

Snow: FWIW, even though Robz is currently my top read, he hasn't hit the "gut instinct" for me that he did in B2B.  Whether that means he's actually town, or just avoiding whatever it was in that game that made me twitch, we'll see.

[Voltaire]

Welcome to the sanity side, ash! unvote. You've returned to a null read for me, and you're helping out. Huzzah!

A middling wagon for me means I get to analyze votes/intent to vote on a townie! Robz comes out looking the scummiest for it. I don't find TA's starting my vote scummy at all, it's not a bad reason (just a wrong reason).

I could still vote chairs, for all the reasons already mentioned. I could vote Robz. I always like a Robz vote. vote: chairs Nobody else is on this anymore?

I definitely don't want to vote for TA, raerae, shraeye, or UoS today.

I'm more and more worried about lurker Eevee, simply because townEevee is so nice and helpful!

Everyone else is some sort of neutral at this point. We haven't seen Jimmmm in awhile, have we?

[Twistedarcher]

I'm not really clear on why this earns a vote from you?

Partly to put pressure on TA.  Partly to see how people feel about it.  Partly because I do have a growing scumread on the guy.  As mentioned previously, my strongest scumread is on mcmc.  He's got IRL excuses to consider, but I do get a scum feel from his posts.

My past experiences with TA, more as a mod than a player, have been that scum!TA is a bit more emotional than town!TA.  I could be wrong, but that's the feel I have for him.  And he's been more emotional about his case on me not gaining traction than I'd expect town!TA to have.  I think he does that because he thinks emotional = towny, overall.

This isn't true! Remember town!TA in Pirates, and how emotional that guy was? Besides, I would say I've been on the less emotional side this game so far, for me at least.

Still thinking Ashersky is scum, and it seems like everyone else on his wagon is moving on to other people. I'm happy with my vote here, and I really do think he's going to turn up scum. UoS's case states it nicely, but this is just obviously a scum gambit by Ashersky, to me.

Besides Ashersky, Volt seems a little too "crowd-pleasing" to me, Shraeye seems off, and I don't get why everyone was against Liopoil, I didn't notice anything there. But no one is as close to a scum-read as Ashersky is for me.

[ashersky]

I'm not really clear on why this earns a vote from you?

Partly to put pressure on TA.  Partly to see how people feel about it.  Partly because I do have a growing scumread on the guy.  As mentioned previously, my strongest scumread is on mcmc.  He's got IRL excuses to consider, but I do get a scum feel from his posts.

My past experiences with TA, more as a mod than a player, have been that scum!TA is a bit more emotional than town!TA.  I could be wrong, but that's the feel I have for him.  And he's been more emotional about his case on me not gaining traction than I'd expect town!TA to have.  I think he does that because he thinks emotional = towny, overall.

This isn't true! Remember town!TA in Pirates, and how emotional that guy was? Besides, I would say I've been on the less emotional side this game so far, for me at least.

Still thinking Ashersky is scum, and it seems like everyone else on his wagon is moving on to other people. I'm happy with my vote here, and I really do think he's going to turn up scum. UoS's case states it nicely, but this is just obviously a scum gambit by Ashersky, to me.

Besides Ashersky, Volt seems a little too "crowd-pleasing" to me, Shraeye seems off, and I don't get why everyone was against Liopoil, I didn't notice anything there. But no one is as close to a scum-read as Ashersky is for me.

I wasn't in Pirates.  It was the first game I skipped in a long time.

I do realize though, that I don't think I've ever played with scum!TA.  So maybe my read isn't great.

You are wrong about me, TA.  I promise. 

[Voltaire]

Besides Ashersky, Volt seems a little too "crowd-pleasing" to me, Shraeye seems off, and I don't get why everyone was against Liopoil, I didn't notice anything there. But no one is as close to a scum-read as Ashersky is for me.

If I've been "agreeable", it's likely because I didn't like the turn the tone of the game was taking and wanted to get it back on track. If that's seen as scummy, so be it - it's made the game more fun for me.

I see things have slowed down. Perhaps we do need a soft deadline to get things moving again. I'm fine with Thursday. It'd be great if those not voting would vote so we can see where we all stand.

[Twistedarcher]

Ash, you did, in Blitz. That's the only time I've been scum, I haven't been scum ever in a game you've modded, so I'm not sure where you're really going with your read on Scum!TA in games you've modded.

[mcmcsalot]

I'm not sold on robz townieness but understand the "I suck as town" is something I have heard him say in person and seen the genuine sadness/frustration regarding it. It's something he very much feels an I actually find him more likely to bring it up as town.

Also that post sounds like town robz trying to stay alive(therefor help town since he's town) and not avoid being lynched if that makes any sense.

[ashersky]

Ash, you did, in Blitz. That's the only time I've been scum, I haven't been scum ever in a game you've modded, so I'm not sure where you're really going with your read on Scum!TA in games you've modded.

I do.  I continually mix you up with WinterSpartan from Samurai and Ninjas.  You and he started off in LotR, right?  First games here?  I think I've been mixing you two up since then.

[ashersky]

Soft Deadline: Thursday @ Midnight.

[Twistedarcher]

Ash, you did, in Blitz. That's the only time I've been scum, I haven't been scum ever in a game you've modded, so I'm not sure where you're really going with your read on Scum!TA in games you've modded.

I do.  I continually mix you up with WinterSpartan from Samurai and Ninjas.  You and he started off in LotR, right?  First games here?  I think I've been mixing you two up since then.

I wasn't in LotR. I've played:

Samurai + Ninja (you modded, I was IC)
Pirates (VT, you weren't in it)
Monty Python Blitz (I was scum, you were town)
Shakespeare (you modded, I was town)
Veteran Quest Blitz (I was town, you modded)

[ashersky]

Ash, you did, in Blitz. That's the only time I've been scum, I haven't been scum ever in a game you've modded, so I'm not sure where you're really going with your read on Scum!TA in games you've modded.

I do.  I continually mix you up with WinterSpartan from Samurai and Ninjas.  You and he started off in LotR, right?  First games here?  I think I've been mixing you two up since then.

I wasn't in LotR. I've played:

Samurai + Ninja (you modded, I was IC)
Pirates (VT, you weren't in it)
Monty Python Blitz (I was scum, you were town)
Shakespeare (you modded, I was town)
Veteran Quest Blitz (I was town, you modded)

Huh.

So you're scum here then?

[Robz888]

I'm not sold on robz townieness but understand the "I suck as town" is something I have heard him say in person and seen the genuine sadness/frustration regarding it. It's something he very much feels an I actually find him more likely to bring it up as town.

Also that post sounds like town robz trying to stay alive(therefor help town since he's town) and not avoid being lynched if that makes any sense.

Spot on. Makes me think you are town.

[Twistedarcher]

Ash, you did, in Blitz. That's the only time I've been scum, I haven't been scum ever in a game you've modded, so I'm not sure where you're really going with your read on Scum!TA in games you've modded.

I do.  I continually mix you up with WinterSpartan from Samurai and Ninjas.  You and he started off in LotR, right?  First games here?  I think I've been mixing you two up since then.

I wasn't in LotR. I've played:

Samurai + Ninja (you modded, I was IC)
Pirates (VT, you weren't in it)
Monty Python Blitz (I was scum, you were town)
Shakespeare (you modded, I was town)
Veteran Quest Blitz (I was town, you modded)

Huh.

So you're scum here then?

Humor me. Why am I scum here?

[Robz888]

Ash, you did, in Blitz. That's the only time I've been scum, I haven't been scum ever in a game you've modded, so I'm not sure where you're really going with your read on Scum!TA in games you've modded.

I do.  I continually mix you up with WinterSpartan from Samurai and Ninjas.  You and he started off in LotR, right?  First games here?  I think I've been mixing you two up since then.

I wasn't in LotR. I've played:

Samurai + Ninja (you modded, I was IC)
Pirates (VT, you weren't in it)
Monty Python Blitz (I was scum, you were town)
Shakespeare (you modded, I was town)
Veteran Quest Blitz (I was town, you modded)

Huh.

So you're scum here then?

Don't say "humor me." It's scum!phraseology.

Humor me. Why am I scum here?

[Robz888]

^^^Quoting fail.

[Twistedarcher]

If it's scum phrase-ology, why are you advising me to not doing it, rather than calling me out on it?

[Robz888]

If it's scum phrase-ology, why are you advising me to not doing it, rather than calling me out on it?

Why indeed....?

[ashersky]

So...anyone?

[ashersky]

I think the Volt and Robz lynches seem to have the most viability.

I prefer a mcmc or TA lynch.

I'm worried we'll end up with a so-so lynch for info instead of possibility of being mafia.