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[chairs]

vote: azadin.  Sounds legit.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Vote Count 3.1

azadin (3) : Robz888, ashersky, chairs

Not Voting (6) : mcmcsalot, sudgy, azadin, EgorK, Witherweaver, A Drowned Kernal

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Are you basing the newbie idea on the NKs, Robz? Because I don't think much if any information can be gleaned by two IC kills.

[EgorK]

I wanteed to vote for azadin as well, but putting him at L-1 is a little bit early in the day - and I think scum would qh him as it will mean lylo for the remaining of the game (if azadin not scum). Hmm

[Robz888]

Are you basing the newbie idea on the NKs, Robz? Because I don't think much if any information can be gleaned by two IC kills.

No, I'm basing it on, I guess, the quietness of this game.

[Witherweaver]

My thought at this point, which has seemed to work in games past, and absolutely worked in Mafia 45, is to scrutinize the least scrutinized.

I believe mcmcsalot and azadin are the least scrutinized. But I have a town read on mcmc. Azadin, in addition to being under-scrutinized, and this is a newbie, and instinct tells me this team has a newbie.

Vote: Azadin has to be correct, right?

I mean, this would be somewhat convincing if I could look at this game and think, "Yeah, I get that feeling that scum team has a newbie. It seems that way."  But I have no idea why that would be.  There's got to be some kind of explanation other than "instinct". 

[Witherweaver]

Are you basing the newbie idea on the NKs, Robz? Because I don't think much if any information can be gleaned by two IC kills.

Well, if anything SP dying makes Azadin less likely to be scum. SP was defending Azadin hard core.. I know from being newbie scum 1000 times in a row, I really wanted to keep the people who thought I was town alive. (At least for the first few games, then I realized I should start moving it around.)  Though, there is the rest of the team to make the decision as well.   

[A Drowned Kernel]

It's hard to get any information about anyone's alignment from an IC dying because of course scum is going to kill the IC. I don't find azadin particularly towny right now but I'll definitely hear what he has to say before I'll vote for him.

[Witherweaver]

It's hard to get any information about anyone's alignment from an IC dying because of course scum is going to kill the IC. I don't find azadin particularly towny right now but I'll definitely hear what he has to say before I'll vote for him.

Right, it's just that that isn't always true.  Monster's University being the counterexample.

[sudgy]

One thing you could maybe figure out from the kills is that the mafia seem to not worry about Docs.  They maybe know the setup.

[mcmcsalot]

One thing you could maybe figure out from the kills is that the mafia seem to not worry about Docs.  They maybe know the setup.

This is a really good point, ash does full claiming do anything for us?

[azadin]

I guess I'm still confused about the case on me. I guess I understand that I haven't been scrutinized as much as some other people, but that does not make me scum. People also seem to be inclined to vote me because I'm a newbie. "An under scrutinized newbie has to be scum, right?"

I'm honestly surprised about the Faust flip. I really thought we had caught scum in a lie, there. I am going to go back and reread the past two days and offer my thoughts, because this game has me pretty confused now.

As for my wagon, does anyone have any actual reasons for thinking I'm scum? It's day 3 now, reads need to be based on more than lack of previous scrutiny and gut instinct. I don't feel like I have any actual reasons to comment on or reply to, here.

[Robz888]

It's day 3 now, reads need to be based on more than lack of previous scrutiny and gut instinct. I don't feel like I have any actual reasons to comment on or reply to, here.

Lack of previous scrutiny is a big one though, and it's a time-tested method of catching scum, alongside POE.

[Witherweaver]

Does not sound like newbie scum to me.

[A Drowned Kernel]

It's day 3 now, reads need to be based on more than lack of previous scrutiny and gut instinct. I don't feel like I have any actual reasons to comment on or reply to, here.

Lack of previous scrutiny is a big one though, and it's a time-tested method of catching scum, alongside POE.

Well if we're talking about people who haven't had much scrutiny this game, you're probably the highest up on that list, along with ash.

[ashersky]

It's day 3 now, reads need to be based on more than lack of previous scrutiny and gut instinct. I don't feel like I have any actual reasons to comment on or reply to, here.

Lack of previous scrutiny is a big one though, and it's a time-tested method of catching scum, alongside POE.

Well if we're talking about people who haven't had much scrutiny this game, you're probably the highest up on that list, along with ash.

We just don't get scrutiny this early, unless it's ALL the scrutiny.  That's just mafia with Robz/ash.

[Robz888]

It's day 3 now, reads need to be based on more than lack of previous scrutiny and gut instinct. I don't feel like I have any actual reasons to comment on or reply to, here.

Lack of previous scrutiny is a big one though, and it's a time-tested method of catching scum, alongside POE.

Well if we're talking about people who haven't had much scrutiny this game, you're probably the highest up on that list, along with ash.

True, but I'm town. And ash has a result in his favor.

[mcmcsalot]

It's day 3 now, reads need to be based on more than lack of previous scrutiny and gut instinct. I don't feel like I have any actual reasons to comment on or reply to, here.

Lack of previous scrutiny is a big one though, and it's a time-tested method of catching scum, alongside POE.

Well if we're talking about people who haven't had much scrutiny this game, you're probably the highest up on that list, along with ash.

Well I have been scrutinizing robz and saying he's scummy most of the game, however with the recent Faust flip, he is much less scummy.

[Robz888]

It's day 3 now, reads need to be based on more than lack of previous scrutiny and gut instinct. I don't feel like I have any actual reasons to comment on or reply to, here.

Lack of previous scrutiny is a big one though, and it's a time-tested method of catching scum, alongside POE.

Well if we're talking about people who haven't had much scrutiny this game, you're probably the highest up on that list, along with ash.

Well I have been scrutinizing robz and saying he's scummy most of the game, however with the recent Faust flip, he is much less scummy.

I don't understand how you're arriving a this conclusion, actually. Why is that? Because I defended faust?

[mcmcsalot]

It's day 3 now, reads need to be based on more than lack of previous scrutiny and gut instinct. I don't feel like I have any actual reasons to comment on or reply to, here.

Lack of previous scrutiny is a big one though, and it's a time-tested method of catching scum, alongside POE.

Well if we're talking about people who haven't had much scrutiny this game, you're probably the highest up on that list, along with ash.

Well I have been scrutinizing robz and saying he's scummy most of the game, however with the recent Faust flip, he is much less scummy.

I don't understand how you're arriving a this conclusion, actually. Why is that? Because I defended faust?

Yes, my scum read on you was largely due to how strongly you defended Faust whom I was certain was scum...and I was wrong

[mcmcsalot]

Final Vote Count

faust (6) : mcmcsalot, sudgy, scott_pilgrim, chairs, azadin, EgorK 

azadin (2) : ashersky, Robz888
mcmcsalot (2) : Witherweaver, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (1) : faust

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

[mcmcsalot]

Final Vote Count

sudgy (5): A Drowned Kernel, Robz888, azadin, ashersky, EgorK
scott_pilgrim (4): faust, Witherweaver, chairs, Eevee
chairs (3) : mcmcsalot, sudgy, scott_pilgrim

With 12 alive, it would have taken 7 to lynch.

No one is lynched. Night will last 48 hours, everyone is required to confirm by PM or by posting in their QT

[Teproc]

Vote Count 3.2

azadin (3) : Robz888, ashersky, chairs

Not Voting (6) : mcmcsalot, sudgy, azadin, EgorK, Witherweaver, A Drowned Kernal

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 ends at 7PM on July 25.

[Robz888]

It's day 3 now, reads need to be based on more than lack of previous scrutiny and gut instinct. I don't feel like I have any actual reasons to comment on or reply to, here.

Lack of previous scrutiny is a big one though, and it's a time-tested method of catching scum, alongside POE.

Well if we're talking about people who haven't had much scrutiny this game, you're probably the highest up on that list, along with ash.

Well I have been scrutinizing robz and saying he's scummy most of the game, however with the recent Faust flip, he is much less scummy.

I don't understand how you're arriving a this conclusion, actually. Why is that? Because I defended faust?

Yes, my scum read on you was largely due to how strongly you defended Faust whom I was certain was scum...and I was wrong

Right. Well, that's correct, nevertheless I think it's kind of scummy of you to think that my correct read on faust makes me townie. I would expect--I am used to this and have seen this over and over again--town people reacting to my proven-correct reads by thinking I am scum. Compare with sudgy:

One of the only big things interesting with the faust lynch, to me, was how much Robz opposed it.

Who was not explained this statement, but I thought implied that he was suspicious of my correct read. If so, he's wrong and you're right, but his is the reaction that I usually see from town. Not yours.

[ashersky]

I think we should lynch on wagon.