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[mcmcsalot]

Gotta be scum Faust, in my experience(I always think Faust is scum) he usually just keeps making statements I disagree with and usually calls me scummy as well(since from his perspective I'm making the disagreeable statements) here he is very defensive which strikes me as different and he called me very very wrong but is going after ash instead of me.

[chairs]

...I think I have to vote: faust.  The way he responded to ash's omgus-implication was scummy.

[faust]

Gotta be scum Faust, in my experience(I always think Faust is scum) he usually just keeps making statements I disagree with and usually calls me scummy as well(since from his perspective I'm making the disagreeable statements) here he is very defensive which strikes me as different and he called me very very wrong but is going after ash instead of me.

I'm scum because I find someone else more scummy than you?

[faust]

...I think I have to vote: faust.  The way he responded to ash's omgus-implication was scummy.

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[faust]

I think I may be onto something here.

[chairs]

Also, if someone is OMGUSing here, it's you! I voted you first! 

This (and the conversation that led up to it) make me feel like you're scum.

There's not much there to expand on.

[Robz888]

Faust looks like he is being railroaded here. Why is he scummier than anyone else not on the presumed IC list? I don't think his reaction ash was anything out of the ordinary.

[mcmcsalot]

Faust looks like he is being railroaded here. Why is he scummier than anyone else not on the presumed IC list? I don't think his reaction ash was anything out of the ordinary.

Because I disagree with like all of the theories he proposed I think he was way to against the chairs lynch which was pretty similar to the other lynches Faust was proposing(Scotty) now that we are pretty sure they are both town, it seems scummy of Faust. Also his whole reaction to ash thoughts on sudgy and the Poe list was pretty scummy

[sudgy]

I'm going to Vote: faust as well.

[azadin]

Faust got extremely defensive when mcmc and ash started pointing out some discrepancies in his voting patterns D1. While I'm not 100% convinced ash is town, it seems pretty likely if we are to believe sudgy is town (which I do, considering his frustration post after he thought he was lynched). Given that ash is likely town, faust is acting almost nervous about the case against him, which he claims is "wrong, wrong, wrong" and non-existent.

Vote: faust

[sudgy]

How many votes does he have?  I think we're really close to lynch.

[sudgy]

Never mind, he's at L-2.  I thought ash had voted as well.

[Robz888]

Faust got extremely defensive when mcmc and ash started pointing out some discrepancies in his voting patterns D1. While I'm not 100% convinced ash is town, it seems pretty likely if we are to believe sudgy is town (which I do, considering his frustration post after he thought he was lynched). Given that ash is likely town, faust is acting almost nervous about the case against him, which he claims is "wrong, wrong, wrong" and non-existent.

Vote: faust

Defensiveness is not scummy, nervousness is not scummy. I don't even think faust was either of these things.

[Witherweaver]

I propose an alternate wagon: Vote: ADK.  Not because I have any feeling towards Faust, but because I've had a growing feeling towards ADK.

What I've noticed about ADK is that when he's town, he's fairly aggressive and accusatory.  He causes meaningful interactions and usually finds some reason to put a real vote on someone pretty early on.  When ADK is scum, he tends to have more alignment-neutral posts and feels more like he's fishing for something that can look convincingly scummy without actually trying to find scum.

ADK's first real vote is #217 against Sudgy for being "super quiet", which is sort of an easy and safe accusation to make.  Before that, we had the blitz wagon thing against SP, which is a null thing in and of itself, but does provide a way for ADK to appear to be doing stuff.  After the initial blitz, he talks about skipping theory talk, explains some stuff to the new player, criticizes Scott for saying some natural things, talks more about blitz wagon and general game meta, eventually unvotes his RVS blitz wagon against Scott (this is #140), then in #141 starts spreading some general suspicion.  (Uses keywords "off", "strange", and later on "interesting".)  The rest of the day is mostly questioning some things or making noncommittal comments.

He really did not say a lot all of Day 1.. generally much more reserved and staying in a position to find anyone town or scum.  Had enough posts to remain present, but didn't really have a lot of content. 

[Robz888]

Mostly agree. Vote: ADK

[Teproc]

Sorry, I was travelling today.

Vote Count 2.1

faust (4) : mcmcsalot, chairs, sudgy, azadin
A Drowned Kernel (2) : Witherweaver, Robz888
ashersky (1) : faust

Not Voting (4): A Drowned Kernel, EgorK,  scott_pilgrim, ashersky

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 ends at 07:00 PM on July 16:00

[faust]

Faust got extremely defensive when mcmc and ash started pointing out some discrepancies in his voting patterns D1. While I'm not 100% convinced ash is town, it seems pretty likely if we are to believe sudgy is town (which I do, considering his frustration post after he thought he was lynched). Given that ash is likely town, faust is acting almost nervous about the case against him, which he claims is "wrong, wrong, wrong" and non-existent.

Vote: faust

ash and mcmc didn't point out any "discrepancies", they just said that they didn't like who I voted for.

[faust]

Faust looks like he is being railroaded here. Why is he scummier than anyone else not on the presumed IC list? I don't think his reaction ash was anything out of the ordinary.

Because I disagree with like all of the theories he proposed I think he was way to against the chairs lynch which was pretty similar to the other lynches Faust was proposing(Scotty) now that we are pretty sure they are both town, it seems scummy of Faust. Also his whole reaction to ash thoughts on sudgy and the Poe list was pretty scummy

You're still using bad logic, and haven't even responded to my post accusing you of doing that. Your whole case is nothing, and merely diverting attention from ashersky.

[Witherweaver]

Faust looks like he is being railroaded here. Why is he scummier than anyone else not on the presumed IC list? I don't think his reaction ash was anything out of the ordinary.

Because I disagree with like all of the theories he proposed I think he was way to against the chairs lynch which was pretty similar to the other lynches Faust was proposing(Scotty) now that we are pretty sure they are both town, it seems scummy of Faust. Also his whole reaction to ash thoughts on sudgy and the Poe list was pretty scummy

What's the scum narrative for Faust opposing the Chairs lynch?  Do you think Chairs is scum?

[ashersky]

Faust got extremely defensive when mcmc and ash started pointing out some discrepancies in his voting patterns D1. While I'm not 100% convinced ash is town, it seems pretty likely if we are to believe sudgy is town (which I do, considering his frustration post after he thought he was lynched). Given that ash is likely town, faust is acting almost nervous about the case against him, which he claims is "wrong, wrong, wrong" and non-existent.

Vote: faust

Defensiveness is not scummy, nervousness is not scummy. I don't even think faust was either of these things.

Lack of both is scummy, I think you'd agree.

His reactions to the most recent flurry of vote is worth your read.

[scott_pilgrim]

I could be sold on the ADK case.  I would like to re-read faust at some point.

I'm still trying to figure out how sudgy's shot got through last night, and I think it has to be one of the following:
1. Sudgy is scum (I think this is pretty unlikely)
2. Scum wanted to WIFOM us into thinking sudgy is scum (I think this is also pretty unlikely)
3. Scum expected sudgy to target ash and godfathered him
4. A town RB RB'd the scum RB (that's possible, right?)
5. Scum wanted to RB someone else that they thought had a PR

So I don't know, 1, 2, 3, and 5 all seem unlikely to me, which makes me think it's #4 (assuming that's possible), in which case it might be good for any town roleblockers to claim and say who they targeted last night, since their target is likely to be scum.  But even then I'm not sure, sine if scum fakeclaims RB they can push a lynch on someone else and not be confirmed scum when that person flips town.

[Robz888]

Faust got extremely defensive when mcmc and ash started pointing out some discrepancies in his voting patterns D1. While I'm not 100% convinced ash is town, it seems pretty likely if we are to believe sudgy is town (which I do, considering his frustration post after he thought he was lynched). Given that ash is likely town, faust is acting almost nervous about the case against him, which he claims is "wrong, wrong, wrong" and non-existent.

Vote: faust

Defensiveness is not scummy, nervousness is not scummy. I don't even think faust was either of these things.

Lack of both is scummy, I think you'd agree.

That's true! But that's not the argument you are making, is it?

[Witherweaver]

I could be sold on the ADK case.  I would like to re-read faust at some point.

I'm still trying to figure out how sudgy's shot got through last night, and I think it has to be one of the following:
1. Sudgy is scum (I think this is pretty unlikely)
2. Scum wanted to WIFOM us into thinking sudgy is scum (I think this is also pretty unlikely)
3. Scum expected sudgy to target ash and godfathered him
4. A town RB RB'd the scum RB (that's possible, right?)
5. Scum wanted to RB someone else that they thought had a PR

So I don't know, 1, 2, 3, and 5 all seem unlikely to me, which makes me think it's #4 (assuming that's possible), in which case it might be good for any town roleblockers to claim and say who they targeted last night, since their target is likely to be scum.  But even then I'm not sure, sine if scum fakeclaims RB they can push a lynch on someone else and not be confirmed scum when that person flips town.

They get to choose?

[sudgy]

I could be sold on the ADK case.  I would like to re-read faust at some point.

I'm still trying to figure out how sudgy's shot got through last night, and I think it has to be one of the following:
1. Sudgy is scum (I think this is pretty unlikely)
2. Scum wanted to WIFOM us into thinking sudgy is scum (I think this is also pretty unlikely)
3. Scum expected sudgy to target ash and godfathered him
4. A town RB RB'd the scum RB (that's possible, right?)
5. Scum wanted to RB someone else that they thought had a PR

So I don't know, 1, 2, 3, and 5 all seem unlikely to me, which makes me think it's #4 (assuming that's possible), in which case it might be good for any town roleblockers to claim and say who they targeted last night, since their target is likely to be scum.  But even then I'm not sure, sine if scum fakeclaims RB they can push a lynch on someone else and not be confirmed scum when that person flips town.

Also, scum could have thought I wouldn't use my shot tonight (like I said I might not, which is why I said that).

They get to choose?

No.  They don't.  If SP wasn't confirmed town, this would have confirmed it for me...

[A Drowned Kernel]

I propose an alternate wagon: Vote: ADK.  Not because I have any feeling towards Faust, but because I've had a growing feeling towards ADK.

What I've noticed about ADK is that when he's town, he's fairly aggressive and accusatory.  He causes meaningful interactions and usually finds some reason to put a real vote on someone pretty early on.  When ADK is scum, he tends to have more alignment-neutral posts and feels more like he's fishing for something that can look convincingly scummy without actually trying to find scum.

ADK's first real vote is #217 against Sudgy for being "super quiet", which is sort of an easy and safe accusation to make.  Before that, we had the blitz wagon thing against SP, which is a null thing in and of itself, but does provide a way for ADK to appear to be doing stuff.  After the initial blitz, he talks about skipping theory talk, explains some stuff to the new player, criticizes Scott for saying some natural things, talks more about blitz wagon and general game meta, eventually unvotes his RVS blitz wagon against Scott (this is #140), then in #141 starts spreading some general suspicion.  (Uses keywords "off", "strange", and later on "interesting".)  The rest of the day is mostly questioning some things or making noncommittal comments.

He really did not say a lot all of Day 1.. generally much more reserved and staying in a position to find anyone town or scum.  Had enough posts to remain present, but didn't really have a lot of content.

I don't have a lot of time for this as I'm on vacation, but I did have (what felt like at the time) a good reason to vote for Sudgy, and kept my vote there because I was confident in the lynch. Other than that, there wasn't much happening early in day one. Quite a bit has happened since, but I haven't had time to really comment on it. When I do, I will.

The faust wagon is growing pretty strong. I had a town read on him day one for a very genuine-seeming vote on Scott, but that's now data point among many. I'll have to reread them.

They get to choose?

No, they don't. There's one godfather. SP's probably getting this mixed up with Super Mario Bros.

PPE: what sudgy said.