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[ashersky]

Why did you investigate ash?

The bigger question is we know scum has a Roleblocker...we know scum knew sudgy wasn't lying...why wasn't he blocked?

[Robz888]

Why did you investigate ash?

The bigger question is we know scum has a Roleblocker...we know scum knew sudgy wasn't lying...why wasn't he blocked?

Yeah. I can't think of a great reason. Can you?

[chairs]

It only makes sense if they thought that he would hold off on using his shot for a later Night.

[chairs]

...Actually, it -also- makes sense in one scenario where they expected sudgy to use his shot: ashersky is Godfather (or they want us to think he is).

Ash is the obvious choice, in my mind, to investigate.  He's one of the best people in our group at saying remarkably towny things as scum, and being scummy as town, so practically everything he does is a null tell.  This makes using a Cop on him a great choice.

[ashersky]

It only makes sense if they thought that he would hold off on using his shot for a later Night.

Or he's scum.  Or Wifom so we would think he's scum.




PPE: chairs makes a good point.  To expand, they gambled on me being the most obvious investigation target and/or scum are unlikely players yo be normally targeted on N1.

[Robz888]

These things are all possible. Sort of an unusually large number of data points to consider so early. That's a good thing, though I'm not sure what I think about them...

[mcmcsalot]

my thoughts would be go with ash is town for now, though keep in mind he could be godfather. work from the list he made adding himself, and go from there.

Seeing as all of the wagon yesterday were on town, and they all were pretty similar on how strong the case was, faust stands out as refusing to lynch chairs, from a scum perspective it would get town point post flip, though from a town perspective we are pretty sure hes town

[Robz888]

my thoughts would be go with ash is town for now, though keep in mind he could be godfather. work from the list he made adding himself, and go from there.

Seeing as all of the wagon yesterday were on town, and they all were pretty similar on how strong the case was, faust stands out as refusing to lynch chairs, from a scum perspective it would get town point post flip, though from a town perspective we are pretty sure hes town

It could also be a scum plot, since the argument that sudgy is town came immediately from ash, and the argument that ash is town comes exclusively from sudgy.

[ashersky]

my thoughts would be go with ash is town for now, though keep in mind he could be godfather. work from the list he made adding himself, and go from there.

Seeing as all of the wagon yesterday were on town, and they all were pretty similar on how strong the case was, faust stands out as refusing to lynch chairs, from a scum perspective it would get town point post flip, though from a town perspective we are pretty sure hes town

It could also be a scum plot, since the argument that sudgy is town came immediately from ash, and the argument that ash is town comes exclusively from sudgy.

Right.

I think the possibilities, in no particular order (at this point):

Sudgy is town / Investigated town ashersky
Sudgy is scum / Fakeclaimed and ashersky is town
Sudgy is scum / Fakeclaimed and ashersky is scum, too
Sudgy is town / Investigated godfather ashersky
Sudgy is town / Didn't investigate, wifoming scum, has a strong enough townread on ash to risk it




(on a mod side note, the goal of this setup when I built it was to really reduce solvability, which so far seems to be working!)

[ashersky]

my thoughts would be go with ash is town for now, though keep in mind he could be godfather. work from the list he made adding himself, and go from there.

Seeing as all of the wagon yesterday were on town, and they all were pretty similar on how strong the case was, faust stands out as refusing to lynch chairs, from a scum perspective it would get town point post flip, though from a town perspective we are pretty sure hes town

mom salon makes a great point, too.

I pushed chairs all day until he claimed VT.  That's an easy fake claim, too.

[chairs]

So if we think faust/chairs is the scumteam (I'm not scum, faust might be), then lynching faust or myself is a good idea.  If we think Sudgy/Ash are scum, lynching Ash probably tells us more than lynching Sudgy.

That being said, I think ash and sudgy are both town, so I'm disinclined to lynch either.

[mcmcsalot]

vote: Faust confident enough in my reads and Poe, this is extremely likely to hit scum.

I don't know where chairs got the idea he's scum tied to Faust, I think scum!Faust was purposely advocating against the town!chairs lunch that he assumed would go through for the cred.

[ashersky]

vote: Faust confident enough in my reads and Poe, this is extremely likely to hit scum.

I don't know where chairs got the idea he's scum tied to Faust, I think scum!Faust was purposely advocating against the town!chairs lunch that he assumed would go through for the cred.

I do think there's a strong case to be made against faust.  I'll re-read after the weekend.

[faust]

I'd say sudgy is also an IC.  Did you use your shot sudgy?

I'm coming back to this post. It's scummy. Why did you ask that, ashersky?

I think it's funny your hyper-focused here.  Afraid of what we will find if we focus on D1?

I have no idea what you mean. How am I "hyper-focused"?

[faust]

Hey sudgy, we need ya pal.

I finally just woke up!

Anyway, WIFOM is amazing (like telling scum you might not use your shot).  I investigated ash, and he turned up town.  Remember that he could be the Godfather, but he's most likely town.

This makes no sense at all. Then again, I don't see scum!sudgy pulling that kind of trick... I'm confused now.

[faust]

...Actually, it -also- makes sense in one scenario where they expected sudgy to use his shot: ashersky is Godfather (or they want us to think he is).

Ash is the obvious choice, in my mind, to investigate.  He's one of the best people in our group at saying remarkably towny things as scum, and being scummy as town, so practically everything he does is a null tell.  This makes using a Cop on him a great choice.

Well, I don't think ash is such an obvious choice... Robz, for example, would also make a great investigation target. I somehow doubt that scum was confident enough that they correctly guessed sudgy's target to not roleblock him.

[faust]

my thoughts would be go with ash is town for now, though keep in mind he could be godfather. work from the list he made adding himself, and go from there.

Seeing as all of the wagon yesterday were on town, and they all were pretty similar on how strong the case was, faust stands out as refusing to lynch chairs, from a scum perspective it would get town point post flip, though from a town perspective we are pretty sure hes town

1. you're a bit quick to conclude that all D1 wagons were on town.
2. you are using bad logic. If I argued against a chairs lynch and he's town, I'm scummy because I want the town cred. If I agrue against a chairs lynch and he's scum, I'm scummy because I'm trying to protect my partner. So by this, it is always scummy to argue against lynches. That obviously makes no sense.

[faust]

vote: Faust confident enough in my reads and Poe, this is extremely likely to hit scum.

I don't know where chairs got the idea he's scum tied to Faust, I think scum!Faust was purposely advocating against the town!chairs lunch that he assumed would go through for the cred.

Wait, what PoE? Which other players can you exclude? And "extremely likely", seriously? It's D2 and there's virtually no case against me. You are wrong. Wrong wrong wrong.

[faust]

vote: Faust confident enough in my reads and Poe, this is extremely likely to hit scum.

I don't know where chairs got the idea he's scum tied to Faust, I think scum!Faust was purposely advocating against the town!chairs lunch that he assumed would go through for the cred.

I do think there's a strong case to be made against faust.  I'll re-read after the weekend.

ash hedging on.

[ashersky]

vote: Faust confident enough in my reads and Poe, this is extremely likely to hit scum.

I don't know where chairs got the idea he's scum tied to Faust, I think scum!Faust was purposely advocating against the town!chairs lunch that he assumed would go through for the cred.

I do think there's a strong case to be made against faust.  I'll re-read after the weekend.

ash hedging on.

Is overly defensive to the point of being insulted Faust usually scum!faust or town!faust?

[faust]

My (somewhat) conclusive thoughts on the sudgy thing: No matter what happened here, it is certain that scum made an extremely unordinary move. Therefore, I think ashersky is scum, because he's the kind of player that would make a move like that. I think that most other players, as scum, would have just roleblocked sudgy (or, if sudgy is scum, claimed that he was roleblocked).

[ashersky]

My (somewhat) conclusive thoughts on the sudgy thing: No matter what happened here, it is certain that scum made an extremely unordinary move. Therefore, I think ashersky is scum, because he's the kind of player that would make a move like that. I think that most other players, as scum, would have just roleblocked sudgy (or, if sudgy is scum, claimed that he was roleblocked).

Love the omgus train.

You are just as capable of being unorthodox as scum as I am.

[faust]

My (somewhat) conclusive thoughts on the sudgy thing: No matter what happened here, it is certain that scum made an extremely unordinary move. Therefore, I think ashersky is scum, because he's the kind of player that would make a move like that. I think that most other players, as scum, would have just roleblocked sudgy (or, if sudgy is scum, claimed that he was roleblocked).

Love the omgus train.

You are just as capable of being unorthodox as scum as I am.

Well, maybe, but of course I know I'm not scum, so I have to suspect you.

[faust]

Also, if someone is OMGUSing here, it's you! I voted you first! 

[ashersky]

Also, if someone is OMGUSing here, it's you! I voted you first! 

Robz's favorite scum tell, I see.