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[Dsell]

Robz, are you suggesting we lynch Liopoil before massclaiming?

[Jimmmmm]

Well this is all very interesting. Robz, how sure are you that lio and I aren't on the other team than you suspect? I think if we're going down this line of reasoning there's no point holding on to the which-Cop-is-which info, since if theorel supports lynching one of me and lio then it will seem pretty obvious.

[liopoil]

I hope not. I think voting right now is a bad idea.

It wasn't necessarily guaranteed that one of us would be lynched. even if it was we certainly would have started a case on someone else before it got to that state. In fact, I think there might have been a point where we could have hammered ashersky if we were a scumteam.

[Jimmmmm]

I think I see the lio/Glooble argument. When I have time I'll have to go back and have another look. However I'm not sure I like the assumption that one of me and lio must be scum. From my point of view, that's pretty close to betting the game on lio being scum.

I think no one else should claim until theo gets back to lead it.

[ashersky]

Actually, if you look at things, liopoil hastily voted for Glooble (without explanation) only when Glooble's lynch was already guaranteed. Glooble's dying move was to put his vote on liopoil (again without explanation), which is where it should be in order to disassociate himself from liopoil, if liopoil is indeed his partner.

It looks to me like a very, very lazy attempt at a last minute bus. Liopoil's comments indicate to me only that he is surprised it wasn't convincing.

I can comfortably do this, unless I hear a compelling reason from the cops why I am wrong.

Vote: liopoil

More than that, I believe there is this:

TheMunch was Glooble's partner, right?  He knew Glooble was scum, and was possibly going to be lynched.  The only other viable lynch was liopoil.  Why didn't TheMunch join that wagon?  Why didn't he argue that liopoil was scummy?  I mean, he was #1 or #2 on everyone's list for lynching yesterday anyway, so it would have been easy to help that out.  It wouldn't have looked that scummy to help kill liopoil if he was town.

Unless liopoil is the third Maquis.  More scummy stuff on him to come, but for now:

vote: liopoil

[Robz888]

Well this is all very interesting. Robz, how sure are you that lio and I aren't on the other team than you suspect? I think if we're going down this line of reasoning there's no point holding on to the which-Cop-is-which info, since if theorel supports lynching one of me and lio then it will seem pretty obvious.

Well, my case on liopoil relies on him being Glooble's partner (relating to how he and Glooble interacted at the end of Day 3), while my case on you relies on your being Galz's partner (based on Galz's list that both I and yuma have brought up). If either of you two were on the other team, I suppose it's possible, but my evidence doesn't indicate that.

[Robz888]

Robz, are you suggesting we lynch Liopoil before massclaiming?

I was not suggesting that. I think the case against liopoil is solid enough, though, that unless theorel shuts it down I wouldn't be uncomfortable moving ahead while leaving the massclaim unfinished...

[liopoil]

I'm going to re-read my QT now and tell you everything raerae and munch said. here is what I think was the most important thing. Munch said this (paraphrased because I don't think I'm allowed to quote exactly):

"I have a slight scumread on Jimmmmm right now but I couldn't tell you why."

[Robz888]

Actually, if you look at things, liopoil hastily voted for Glooble (without explanation) only when Glooble's lynch was already guaranteed. Glooble's dying move was to put his vote on liopoil (again without explanation), which is where it should be in order to disassociate himself from liopoil, if liopoil is indeed his partner.

It looks to me like a very, very lazy attempt at a last minute bus. Liopoil's comments indicate to me only that he is surprised it wasn't convincing.

I can comfortably do this, unless I hear a compelling reason from the cops why I am wrong.

Vote: liopoil

More than that, I believe there is this:

TheMunch was Glooble's partner, right?  He knew Glooble was scum, and was possibly going to be lynched.  The only other viable lynch was liopoil.  Why didn't TheMunch join that wagon?  Why didn't he argue that liopoil was scummy?  I mean, he was #1 or #2 on everyone's list for lynching yesterday anyway, so it would have been easy to help that out.  It wouldn't have looked that scummy to help kill liopoil if he was town.

Unless liopoil is the third Maquis.  More scummy stuff on him to come, but for now:

vote: liopoil

Yeah, that too. Much wouldn't join either wagon, which really doesn't make sense if Glooble was his partner but liopoil was not.

[Robz888]

I'm going to re-read my QT now and tell you everything raerae and munch said. here is what I think was the most important thing. Munch said this (paraphrased because I don't think I'm allowed to quote exactly):

"I have a slight scumread on Jimmmmm right now but I couldn't tell you why."

Okay, but let's all remember that this was scum!Munch talking to a group of people that included town!raerae (or other-alignment!raerae, from Munch's perspective). So I'm not sure he'd state his true opinions here.

[Robz888]

And if you're just trying to prove your a neighbor... you could be taking Munch's quotes straight out of your scum qt with him.

[Robz888]

Sorry to mega shut you down, lio, but this is far and away the most solid case so far this game.

[liopoil]

guys, seriously, it isn't a good idea to vote until everyone's claimed and stuff.

Munch didn't vote for me because I'm his neighbor! he would be able to mislead me anymore! and he knew that I wasn't on the other team. Actually, the real reason was because he was not around. At the time of the deadline he hadn't posted in over three days. In the QT he expressed his frustration by saying he had "so much IRL shit", and was disappointed that the day ended while he was gone."

[liopoil]

that quote was from last night, after raerae died.

oh please, don't try to dispute that I might not be a neighbor... that's even less likely than me being scum!

[Robz888]

that quote was from last night, after raerae died.

oh please, don't try to dispute that I might not be a neighbor... that's even less likely than me being scum!

[liopoil]

look, if I wasn't a neighbor why would I claim neighbor???

[mcmcsalot]

I still support lynching liopoil I have had a scum read and wanted him lynched for sooo long. My original case while weak (it had to do with his jumping on a wagon on me at a time I felt was very scummy) has grown day after day and I am constantly shocked that his lynch does not pick up more traction.

[ashersky]

Here are quotes of lio being scummy from page 85 of this game.

I'd like the other cop to claim now, and then I will claim.

No, you do not get to direct town.  You were top or second top scum read yesterday, nothing has happened to clear you.

I am not the cop. If everyone posts and the cop has not claimed we should assume that the cop is scum. There is no reason for a town cop not to claim.

A town cop could wait until the end of the claiming to claim, perhaps not with their first post of the day.

I am a neighbor. munch and raerae were my neighbors, but they are dead now. We are confirmed non-members of the mirror-universe scumteam. So I am just a VT with access to the things munch and raerae said, and a place to make notes to myself at night.

I think I have similar IC status to theorel now. A ton of things would have to be true for it to be possible that I am scum.

I bolded the parts of this quote I think are possibly fake.  As mentioned, your logic is faulty.  You are by no means anything close to an IC.  You cannot assign yourself that sort of status.  It gets assigned to you.  A neighborhood with all three teams would be distinctly possible (and fun), and a "you are all not MU" thing would be possible but NOT confirmable until you are dead.

Also, if you were neighbors for Munch for days, why did you have no opinions on the guy IN GAME?  I mean, he was scum.  He said things in the QT that should have helped you form an opinion.  You had none.

One thing in your favor here is that if you are partners with Munch/Glooble, and you were both neighbors, that's a bit of overkill on the QTs.  But random rolling, which is what I assume Jo would do, can do that sometimes.

For me to be on the MU scumteam:

I would have to either not be a neighbor, or have lied about the non-member thing. to fakeclaim being a neighbor would be silly, because I would have a good chance of being counterclaimed. theorel would also have to be the maquis cop. I don't have proof for the non-member thing, but munch being 100% against my lynch would make sense, because he knew 100% that I was town once galzria was NKed.

For me to be on the maquis scumteam:

I would have had to seriously bus glooble. I was on his wagon. there would have to actually be a third member of the team, which I am starting to think is unlikely. Theorel would have to be the MU cop.

Your arguments make no sense.  You chose to claim a role that is almost impossible to counterclaim now, given 2 neighbors are dead.  The likelihood of 4 neighbors in a game this size?  And how did Munch know you were town when Galz got killed?

For the maquis argument, you did not bus Glooble.  You definitely didn't "seriously bus" Glooble.  You may no arguments about him other than "him not me!!"  That's not bussing.  At all.  A third member is definitely possible, and I think it's a 3-man and a 2-man.

yes, I was not exactly making a case on glooble, but I did put my vote on him. If I was scum with glooble I probably would have tried to start a case on someone else. both of us voting for each other does not help us.

I agree that we should at least consider ash and theorel claiming everything.

You are the only one cop fishing here.

[ashersky]

Living:

1. ashersky - Cop
2. Robz - Tracker
3. yuma -
9. liopoil - Half cleared
10. mcmcsalot   - bomb
11. Jimmmmm - Half cleared
12. theorel - Confirmed Town Cop
14. Dsell

Is this right?

[ashersky]

Living:

1. ashersky - Cop
2. Robz - Tracker
3. yuma -
9. liopoil - Neighbor - Half cleared
10. mcmcsalot   - bomb
11. Jimmmmm - Half cleared
12. theorel - Confirmed Town Cop
14. Dsell

Is this right?

[Robz888]

look, if I wasn't a neighbor why would I claim neighbor???

I'm not even saying your not a neighbor, just that there's no evidence you are a neighbor. And if you are Munch's buddy, it would have been perfectly easy for you to claim neighbor. How do I know Munch didn't put a link to his neighbor qt directly into the scum qt? Could be Glooble and whoever else (possibly you) knows everything that went on there.

[Robz888]

Living:

1. ashersky - Cop
2. Robz - Tracker
3. yuma -
9. liopoil - Half cleared
10. mcmcsalot   - bomb
11. Jimmmmm - Half cleared
12. theorel - Confirmed Town Cop
14. Dsell

Is this right?

Correct.

[Robz888]

Aslo, one of the above was one-shot bulletproof.

[Robz888]

Aslo, one of the above was one-shot bulletproof.

And if we know who that person is, we can rule them out as... Galz's buddy, right? Because Galz's buddy (or buddies) shot Munch.

[ashersky]

Aslo, one of the above was one-shot bulletproof.

One-shot Deathproof, actually.  I don't think the lynch would have worked either.

Who would be Maquis's most likely target?