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[MiX]

If we want Dylan to get a vig shot, he shouldn't spend any stormlight. Now, do we want to do that? I do.

[faust]

Fair enough on the math, but also the thief could also be scum, and so maximizing their return would not be pro-town.

It doesn't matter in the slightest. You're worried about a very hypothetical scenario. We have strong control over who steals what, and there may not even be scum in your house.

On the flipside, here's a chance for us to confirm that you did not use your anti-town powers, which would go a long way towards clearing you, and you're refusing to take it.

[faust]

But if they are charging a low number while I'm suddenly having to charge 55, I'm coming out at a net loss. Unless someone wants to tell me exactly who is in House Sadeas with me with their sphere counts, then I might reconsider.

In case you forgot... we're doing a massclaim of these things right now.

[Galzria]

If we want Dylan to get a vig shot, he shouldn't spend any stormlight. Now, do we want to do that? I do.

He started with 55 total Spheres. Takes 50 to Vig. He claims to have 30 Infused, 25 Dun. If he places those 25 Dun out and even a single person steals from him, he won't hit 50 regardless.

[MiX]

If we want Dylan to get a vig shot, he shouldn't spend any stormlight. Now, do we want to do that? I do.

He started with 55 total Spheres. Takes 50 to Vig. He claims to have 30 Infused, 25 Dun. If he places those 25 Dun out and even a single person steals from him, he won't hit 50 regardless.

But he can steal as well. So we want him to be able to get at least 20 infused spheres from stealing is he's stolen from.

[MiX]

But if they are charging a low number while I'm suddenly having to charge 55, I'm coming out at a net loss. Unless someone wants to tell me exactly who is in House Sadeas with me with their sphere counts, then I might reconsider.

In case you forgot... we're doing a massclaim of these things right now.

We might not get to the end before highstorm.

[Dylan32]

Fair enough on the math, but also the thief could also be scum, and so maximizing their return would not be pro-town.

It doesn't matter in the slightest. You're worried about a very hypothetical scenario. We have strong control over who steals what, and there may not even be scum in your house.

On the flipside, here's a chance for us to confirm that you did not use your anti-town powers, which would go a long way towards clearing you, and you're refusing to take it.

But if they are charging a low number while I'm suddenly having to charge 55, I'm coming out at a net loss. Unless someone wants to tell me exactly who is in House Sadeas with me with their sphere counts, then I might reconsider.

In case you forgot... we're doing a massclaim of these things right now.

Right, and when galz just said he was in my house, I went back and realized his post where he mentioned one of his actions wasn't a fullclaim (I was skimming) and so I jumped the gun anyway. In a situation where we didn't have a LITERAL CLAIMED SCUM, I would be way more likely to take this chance to prove my claim. In the future, I might consider it as things develop. At this moment, I don't think it's in town's best interest to do so/there's no need to do it right this second, so I'm not going to let you force me to play a certain way like I felt happened with claiming D1.

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[Greathallscout]

@dylan please give a specific scenario you are afraid of.

[MiX]

Fair enough on the math, but also the thief could also be scum, and so maximizing their return would not be pro-town.

It doesn't matter in the slightest. You're worried about a very hypothetical scenario. We have strong control over who steals what, and there may not even be scum in your house.

On the flipside, here's a chance for us to confirm that you did not use your anti-town powers, which would go a long way towards clearing you, and you're refusing to take it.

He could easily just start with 15 more infused spheres than what he claimed and use them to ninja. What are you gonna do about that? Nothing.

[faust]

Right, and when galz just said he was in my house, I went back and realized his post where he mentioned one of his actions wasn't a fullclaim (I was skimming) and so I jumped the gun anyway. In a situation where we didn't have a LITERAL CLAIMED SCUM, I would be way more likely to take this chance to prove my claim. In the future, I might consider it as things develop. At this moment, I don't think it's in town's best interest to do so/there's no need to do it right this second, so I'm not going to let you force me to play a certain way like I felt happened with claiming D1.

ppe 3

Yeah I should probably have mentioned this, hypercube claimed Kholin to me back during D1 or even N1, I don't think he lied about that.

[faust]

Right, and when galz just said he was in my house, I went back and realized his post where he mentioned one of his actions wasn't a fullclaim (I was skimming) and so I jumped the gun anyway. In a situation where we didn't have a LITERAL CLAIMED SCUM, I would be way more likely to take this chance to prove my claim. In the future, I might consider it as things develop. At this moment, I don't think it's in town's best interest to do so/there's no need to do it right this second, so I'm not going to let you force me to play a certain way like I felt happened with claiming D1.

ppe 3

Yeah I should probably have mentioned this, hypercube claimed Kholin to me back during D1 or even N1, I don't think he lied about that.

*or even N0

[faust]

Fair enough on the math, but also the thief could also be scum, and so maximizing their return would not be pro-town.

It doesn't matter in the slightest. You're worried about a very hypothetical scenario. We have strong control over who steals what, and there may not even be scum in your house.

On the flipside, here's a chance for us to confirm that you did not use your anti-town powers, which would go a long way towards clearing you, and you're refusing to take it.

He could easily just start with 15 more infused spheres than what he claimed and use them to ninja. What are you gonna do about that? Nothing.

Well yeah but if he started with enough spheres to vig then I think he would have kept them.

[Greathallscout]

Right, and when galz just said he was in my house, I went back and realized his post where he mentioned one of his actions wasn't a fullclaim (I was skimming) and so I jumped the gun anyway. In a situation where we didn't have a LITERAL CLAIMED SCUM, I would be way more likely to take this chance to prove my claim. In the future, I might consider it as things develop. At this moment, I don't think it's in town's best interest to do so/there's no need to do it right this second, so I'm not going to let you force me to play a certain way like I felt happened with claiming D1.

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Yeah I should probably have mentioned this, hypercube claimed Kholin to me back during D1 or even N1, I don't think he lied about that.

It was in the regular thread also. post 1262

[MiX]

Fair enough on the math, but also the thief could also be scum, and so maximizing their return would not be pro-town.

It doesn't matter in the slightest. You're worried about a very hypothetical scenario. We have strong control over who steals what, and there may not even be scum in your house.

On the flipside, here's a chance for us to confirm that you did not use your anti-town powers, which would go a long way towards clearing you, and you're refusing to take it.

He could easily just start with 15 more infused spheres than what he claimed and use them to ninja. What are you gonna do about that? Nothing.

Well yeah but if he started with enough spheres to vig then I think he would have kept them.

Given what's happened D2, I would've kept the ninja. But I doubt that's a decision scum makes N1, so fair enough.

The Dylan-spends-everything plan only works if he doesn't steal and no one steals from him, which only works if there's no scum in the house. Do you think you can uphold that rule?

Are you in Dylan's house?

[Galzria]

Also, full details:

Class: Edgedancer
House: Sadeas
Spheres: 70 Infused, 0 Dun

N1: Doctor Faust (-15 Infused Spheres)
D2: Remaining Sphere's Drained
N2: Nothing

Current: 0 Infused Spheres, 70 Dun Spheres

[Galzria]

Fair enough on the math, but also the thief could also be scum, and so maximizing their return would not be pro-town.

It doesn't matter in the slightest. You're worried about a very hypothetical scenario. We have strong control over who steals what, and there may not even be scum in your house.

On the flipside, here's a chance for us to confirm that you did not use your anti-town powers, which would go a long way towards clearing you, and you're refusing to take it.

He could easily just start with 15 more infused spheres than what he claimed and use them to ninja. What are you gonna do about that? Nothing.

Well yeah but if he started with enough spheres to vig then I think he would have kept them.

Given what's happened D2, I would've kept the ninja. But I doubt that's a decision scum makes N1, so fair enough.

The Dylan-spends-everything plan only works if he doesn't steal and no one steals from him, which only works if there's no scum in the house. Do you think you can uphold that rule?

Are you in Dylan's house?

The plan works fine regardless of any stealing. The plan isn't to get him to spend it all now and then refill so he can Vig later. The plan is to have him spend at least 6 messages worth (30 Sphere's) to verify that he has that amount left - which is what he claimed. Whatever happens after that is irrelevant.

[MiX]

There's a bunch of uninformed things I can say about the setup, but I absolutely love the sphere distribution. It's completely random, and that's exactly what it needs to be.

The plan works fine regardless of any stealing. The plan isn't to get him to spend it all now and then refill so he can Vig later. The plan is to have him spend at least 6 messages worth (30 Sphere's) to verify that he has that amount left - which is what he claimed. Whatever happens after that is irrelevant.

Idk I kinda want to have a vig around so we can shoot the claimed SK, that seems pro town to me at least.

[Rhand]

I think we’re mixing up the claim order?
I was waiting for Scolapasta, but I see people after me have claimed.

I think Dylan is town. And I wouldn’t mind him shooting at a third party.

[Dylan32]

I think we’re mixing up the claim order?
I was waiting for Scolapasta, but I see people after me have claimed.

I think Dylan is town. And I wouldn’t mind him shooting at a third party.

Yeah, I goofed seeing galz post something that included something he did and jumped the gun. We should get back in order with the one exception that if you are in House Sadeas, say so before the highstorm comes and then wait for your turn to claim everything else.

[scolapasta]

Wow, lots going on, and good point, we don't know when the storm is coming, so let's get these claims in.

What I have already claimed:
Elsecaller
N1: tracked MiX (no result), invented neighborhood for Gloobie and joth
N2: tracked someone (no result)

New info:
N2 tracked chairs (in case joth was trying to "protect him" in his confessional;
invented the negative painial for cube (makes hime weak)

Special order power: jailkeeper (cost 15)

House sadea (with dylan and galz and efhw)

Started with 60/40; now at 10/90

[scolapasta]

Dylan I would like you to use your orbs, that way galz or I have something to steal.

If you are both town, this now meake sense, as one or both of you can steal a lot from me.

(I'm assuming, hopefully correctly, that 4 is the max in a house)

[Dylan32]

If it is just Galz and I left in Sadeas, I will burn the stormlight to prove my claim. That may change depending on who, if anyone else, is in it too. Luckily, we already got rid of scum!EFHW out of our house, so that's good.

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[Dylan32]

well crap

[scolapasta]

(originally I did not think you should, but now with the new info of all our house members, it makes sense).

If you don't I can't risk putting all my orbs out.

Putting all my orbs out is protown if you are both town.

[scolapasta]

Also, probably not the case, but is there nay chance that cube us lying about being scum?

e.g. what if he is a jester who wins by getting exiled? then he could be using this "i give up" to induce us into exiling.

Would it be better to try and NK him (which I tried last night, to the only ability I have that could have maybe done that)?