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[ashersky]

But your 13 guesses weren’t good, they were perfect (or very nearly).

Did you have a bow/arrow guess?  Was it 1-shot vig?  (Yes, I know you could just lie here.)

[Jimmmmm]

Probability has nothing to do with it since your statement expresses certainty, not probability.

Where does faust express certainty?

[ashersky]

faust has done nothing to explain why my scum motivations for this.  Wouldn't town!faust, or at least pro-town!faust, want to do so?  He's not even voting for me right now -- scum not wanting to look like he's taking advantage?  Yet another suspicious action on his part.

Well I have no reason to think you're scum. Is not OMGUSing now a scumtell?

If I’m not scum, what’s my motivation?  Why stake my life on this?  We cannot be the same alignment given this, so either you are scum or I am.  (Or we are partner and staged this.)

[ashersky]

Probability has nothing to do with it since your statement expresses certainty, not probability.

Where does faust express certainty?

In his post.  I broke it down.  With color-coding.

[faust]

Did you have a bow/arrow guess?  Was it 1-shot vig?  (Yes, I know you could just lie here.)

Yes. No.

[ashersky]

“Not very far off” were his descriptive words.  No qualifying to it — no “I feel” or “it seems” or “probably” or even an “I think.”

Just “I wasn’t very far off” as a declarative statement of fact. Not opinion.

I was not eating a pineapple.  I was not very happy with the consistency of my soufflé. I was not very successful in making a career out of baseball.

Fact, certainty.  Not probability.

[faust]

faust has done nothing to explain why my scum motivations for this.  Wouldn't town!faust, or at least pro-town!faust, want to do so?  He's not even voting for me right now -- scum not wanting to look like he's taking advantage?  Yet another suspicious action on his part.

Well I have no reason to think you're scum. Is not OMGUSing now a scumtell?

If I’m not scum, what’s my motivation?  Why stake my life on this?  We cannot be the same alignment given this, so either you are scum or I am.  (Or we are partner and staged this.)

Because that's how you roll, you need some sort of crusade, and if it's against me, the player whose statements you tend to interpret in the least charitable light possible, all the better.

[faust]

“Not very far off” were his descriptive words.  No qualifying to it — no “I feel” or “it seems” or “probably” or even an “I think.”

There was a "based on what know now". In my books, that's a qualifier.

[ashersky]

Did you have a bow/arrow guess?  Was it 1-shot vig?  (Yes, I know you could just lie here.)

Yes. No.

And yet would you consider your guess “not very far off?”

[faust]

Did you have a bow/arrow guess?  Was it 1-shot vig?  (Yes, I know you could just lie here.)

Yes. No.

And yet would you consider your guess “not very far off?”

I mean I guessed that it would be some sort of vig, so yeah.

[ashersky]

faust has done nothing to explain why my scum motivations for this.  Wouldn't town!faust, or at least pro-town!faust, want to do so?  He's not even voting for me right now -- scum not wanting to look like he's taking advantage?  Yet another suspicious action on his part.

Well I have no reason to think you're scum. Is not OMGUSing now a scumtell?

If I’m not scum, what’s my motivation?  Why stake my life on this?  We cannot be the same alignment given this, so either you are scum or I am.  (Or we are partner and staged this.)

Because that's how you roll, you need some sort of crusade, and if it's against me, the player whose statements you tend to interpret in the least charitable light possible, all the better.

And what purpose does that supposed crusade serve, if not to move forward my scum agenda?

You can’t have it both ways.  Vote for me, get my inevitable day 1 mislynch over with.  You know you have the hammer vote in the bag.

My only request — don’t lynch me in my sleep.

[faust]

And what purpose does that supposed crusade serve, if not to move forward my scum agenda?

I makes you feel good about yourself.

[ashersky]

“Not very far off” were his descriptive words.  No qualifying to it — no “I feel” or “it seems” or “probably” or even an “I think.”

There was a "based on what know now". In my books, that's a qualifier.

I thought that knowledge was your proof.  Now it’s your out?

[ashersky]

And what purpose does that supposed crusade serve, if not to move forward my scum agenda?

I makes you feel good about yourself.

I’ve never met you. You are words on a forum behind an avatar.  Rich of you to think you make me feel good about myself.  If I need you for that, where have I been all these months?  How have I lived without you?

There was no reason to go there. You know nothing about my real life.

[ashersky]

I guess if your goal in making it personal was to drive me out of the game, I should just give you your wish.

[faust]

“Not very far off” were his descriptive words.  No qualifying to it — no “I feel” or “it seems” or “probably” or even an “I think.”

There was a "based on what know now". In my books, that's a qualifier.

I thought that knowledge was your proof.  Now it’s your out?

I never said it was proof.

[faust]

And what purpose does that supposed crusade serve, if not to move forward my scum agenda?

I makes you feel good about yourself.

I’ve never met you. You are words on a forum behind an avatar.  Rich of you to think you make me feel good about myself.  If I need you for that, where have I been all these months?  How have I lived without you?

There was no reason to go there. You know nothing about my real life.

I am sorry if that offended you, that was not my intention.

All I was trying to say is we all play mafia (presumably) because we take some sort of enjoyment out of it. There are various aspects of mafia that I enjoy, and different people enjoy different things. For example, someone like pingpongsam really enjoys making up claims. Someone like WestCoastDidds enjoys the sense of community that comes with our gaming group. Someone like me enjoys taking on a role of confidence that contrasts with how I interact with people in other parts of my life.

Based on our past shared experiences, I was under the impression that you kind of enjoy being the underdog arguing against a flawed group consensus. At least, that is often the position you seem to find yourself in, and it hasn't made you quit mafia yet, so I was led to assume that you don't absolutely hate it.

The situation we find ourselves in has happened in a similar way before, and it has happened in cases where we were both town. In trying to make sense of why it happens I formed a certain picture of your attitude towards me, and well - I get the feeling that you don't like me very much, or at the very least don't like my forum persona very much. Which is all in all a bit sad, but it serves as an explanation for why we clash.

Of course, I do not want to lay the blame for this squarely at your feet. I am well aware that I can be irritating and arrogant.

Again, I am sorry if I crossed any boundaries. I did not intend to and hope we can continue playing despite any differences between us.

[Xxraptorslayer96]

After rereading the 10 pages that were posted today it seems like a lot on nonsense arguing. lol

[Xxraptorslayer96]

@ Ash, what puts me so high on your scum list out of curiosity?

[cayvie]

this is a goddamn bizonkers day 1

[2.71828.....]

In other news I don't want to lynch pasta

[2.71828.....]

After rereading the 10 pages that were posted today it seems like a lot on nonsense arguing. lol

Oh hi raptor. Who do you think is scum?

[2.71828.....]

Faust and ashersky arguing is taking up a lot of space in the thread.

I do like ashersky reads post. I should comment on that

[2.71828.....]

Time for a popsquiz!

Ordered as DS (Definitely Scum) to OMDB (Over My Dead Body):

faust
mail-mi
Raptor
Glooble
EFHW
MiX
Lekkit
scola
Lalight
WCD
cayvie
shraeye
No Lynch
ADK
ash
Jimmmmm
2.7

I think I generally agree with this except for faust. I would be perfectly happy lynching in the mail-mi to EFHW range

[2.71828.....]

You know what, I just reread mail-mi and I am thinking

Vote: mail-mi

A lot of going with the flow.
The pseudo-useful post about quantity of scum

Not a perfect case, but there you have it