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[EFHW]

Town needs to know who is in this other faction, the name of the faction, who shot at me last night, and the source of Dylan's extra information. Does your faction have a method of killing?

I could alternatively ask everyone not in the faction to claim, but that puts you in the position of not being fully believed, which isn't a good way to establish a treaty.

I'll probably have more questions as we go along.

[Jack Rudd]

The other member of the faction is me. We're called the Believers, and we don't have a method of killing.

[Dylan32]

Yeah o block everything, but when the person I targeted shouldn't have a targeting ability at this point in the game based on their claims, they lied, and since they targeted EFHW, it was obviously a kill.

[Dylan32]

Course to earth should allow both us and town to fulfill the win conditions. Nothing about it says the game ends. The other win condition about being the biggest faction at the end of the game would not be. By openly not playing for that one even though we might have been able to get course to earth passed without all of this stuff should show that I am actually working to get town the win as well.

[Dylan32]

And I don't know what you mean about the source of my info. Go read my claim. I can target up to two people, I block their actions, and I'm told who the targets of any actions that were blocked. My results were just a list of 2 names, not X targeted Y and A targeted B, which is why I asked Swowl who he targeted first.

I will tell who shot at EFHW in my very first post after the resolution is passed.

[LaLight]

LaLight, do you have any idea what course to earth might do?

no, I don't. But I think it might be somewhat beneficial to town, because we had options to sabotage this mission and surely scum would do just that.

[Swowl]

Dylan's ability seems like.... very very strong. This is actually why I tried to shoot you - verification. Figured there was no world in which you do not choose me as a target, so either my shot kills you and you flip skum, or you blocked me and can verify me targeting.

I was actually gonna insist upon you going first, but when you "subtly asked me" at the start of the day, figured everything panned out.

[Swowl]

So just to be clear from the Believers - you have 2 win cons, and one is EXACTLY the same as ours?

[Swowl]

Course to earth should allow both us and town to fulfill the win conditions.

why do you know this but LL doesn't seem to?

[EFHW]

And I don't know what you mean about the source of my info. Go read my claim. I can target up to two people, I block their actions, and I'm told who the targets of any actions that were blocked. My results were just a list of 2 names, not X targeted Y and A targeted B, which is why I asked Swowl who he targeted first.

I will tell who shot at EFHW in my very first post after the resolution is passed.

Ok, I think this is becoming clearer. We can win easily with the red name - exile that person and then wait out 2 days and 2 nights with no exile and no nk. In exchange you want to go to Earth.

Is there any way you can win with scum? I guess only if they were president. You go to Earth, they kill a townie, you exile, maybe with help from the yellow, etc, until you are the biggest faction. I'm assuming here that the Cylon vote means a yellow is still alive. We don't know their wincon. Maybe they can win with scum.

I'm concerned that Course to Earth could hurt town. That fire didn't sound good. Do you and Jack have to be the ones to volunteer, like you and LL did before? If you leave the game like before, then there are (most likely) 3 town and 3 non-town votes. If yellow allies with red while you are away, town could lose, depending on when/if you come back.

Let me check at what point an XO can be played. We need you to vote with us, so even if you give us the name now so we can cause an exile, you still have the power of your vote to keep us honest. The timing might be tricky and even impossible, though.

What do you Believe in?

[EFHW]

Swowl, are you yellow? If so, what is your wincon? Do you have motivation not to pass Course to Earth on to me?

[Dylan32]

So just to be clear from the Believers - you have 2 win cons, and one is EXACTLY the same as ours?

We win if we are the biggest faction at game end, the same way town would win if they were the largest faction at the end, yes.

Course to earth should allow both us and town to fulfill the win conditions.

why do you know this but LL doesn't seem to?

LaLight, do you have any idea what course to earth might do?

no, I don't. But I think it might be somewhat beneficial to town, because we had options to sabotage this mission and surely scum would do just that.

LL and I think the same thing here.

And I don't know what you mean about the source of my info. Go read my claim. I can target up to two people, I block their actions, and I'm told who the targets of any actions that were blocked. My results were just a list of 2 names, not X targeted Y and A targeted B, which is why I asked Swowl who he targeted first.

I will tell who shot at EFHW in my very first post after the resolution is passed.

Ok, I think this is becoming clearer. We can win easily with the red name - exile that person and then wait out 2 days and 2 nights with no exile and no nk. In exchange you want to go to Earth.

Is there any way you can win with scum? I guess only if they were president. You go to Earth, they kill a townie, you exile, maybe with help from the yellow, etc, until you are the biggest faction. I'm assuming here that the Cylon vote means a yellow is still alive. We don't know their wincon. Maybe they can win with scum.

I'm concerned that Course to Earth could hurt town. That fire didn't sound good. Do you and Jack have to be the ones to volunteer, like you and LL did before? If you leave the game like before, then there are (most likely) 3 town and 3 non-town votes. If yellow allies with red while you are away, town could lose, depending on when/if you come back.

Let me check at what point an XO can be played. We need you to vote with us, so even if you give us the name now so we can cause an exile, you still have the power of your vote to keep us honest. The timing might be tricky and even impossible, though.

What do you Believe in?

From flavor text in game, my guess is that course to earth is more of a thing that would be enacted this game with implications for future seasons based on it taking this long to be possible to enact it and it being involved in win conditions, so I don't think it will be a "Now a couple people leave and do something else this game" thing.

And no, you can't just easily win by exiling the red and waiting it out, because I'm not convinced swowl is actually green, and if he's not we don't know his wincon. The easy win is no exile today, I block the kill(s) again tomorrow night, and a no exile wins. If we exile today you would have to do two more days after this.

[Swowl]

Swowl, are you yellow? If so, what is your wincon? Do you have motivation not to pass Course to Earth on to me?

I am Green. I have no motivation to do anything other than figure out what in the hell is right play.
I asked you if you wanted to me to list the cards so you could literally pick whatever you want. You may tell me which one to dump.

The way I see it there is like a very very very small chance you are Yellow. And a very large chance you are Green. And a 0% chance you are red.

[Swowl]

Dylan - How are you going to win with us?

We off the last baddie.
No exile, No kill X 2.

Game ends.

There are currently 7 alive. 1 baddie, 2 believers, 4 town.

That leaves 4 town and 2 believers. Town has the largest faction at game end.

What am I missing?

[Swowl]

and I just re read EFHWs post and she has a point ... there is even the chance that there is more than one baddie left.

[Dylan32]

If course to earth is enacted, we could in theory win with anyone, but once it's done I will want the game to end as fast as possible, which means blocking kills and letting it end the next day, which is a town win.

Also, I received a correction to my results. Another name was added to the list of targets I protected, which means between my two targets, 3 people were targeted by abilities that were blocked, I have no idea what ability targeted which person, but it's almost certain that the 3rd target was not the kill since it was Jack.

ppe 2

[Dylan32]

Dylan - How are you going to win with us?

We off the last baddie.
No exile, No kill X 2.

Game ends.

There are currently 7 alive. 1 baddie, 2 believers, 4 town.

That leaves 4 town and 2 believers. Town has the largest faction at game end.

What am I missing?

Believers win if we enact course to earth. If I don't tell you who the last baddie is there is no guarantee you get it, which is why I'm not saying until the resolution is passed.

[Dylan32]

Like I said, I will tell who the last (most likely) scum is once course to earth is passed and Jack and I have filled a win condition, but then we no exile, I block the kills again, and a no exile tomorrow ends it. Any plan that involves either rejecting course to earth or exiling Red means the game will drag out longer, and since I now am pretty sure either swowl has a secret ability he hasn't claimed or Red has the kill and another unknown ability, there isn't a guarantee town will end up winning.

We also don't know whether or not there is another faction that is actually opposed to enacting course to earth the same way we want to enact it. If that is the case, town definitely might not end up being the largest by the time everything is over.

[Dylan32]

Oh, and if the concern is can two factions win at the same time, that happened in season 1 with ADK's undisclosed win condition.

[Dylan32]

And I don't know what you mean about the source of my info. Go read my claim. I can target up to two people, I block their actions, and I'm told who the targets of any actions that were blocked. My results were just a list of 2 names, not X targeted Y and A targeted B, which is why I asked Swowl who he targeted first.

I will tell who shot at EFHW in my very first post after the resolution is passed.

Ok, I think this is becoming clearer. We can win easily with the red name - exile that person and then wait out 2 days and 2 nights with no exile and no nk. In exchange you want to go to Earth.

Is there any way you can win with scum? I guess only if they were president. You go to Earth, they kill a townie, you exile, maybe with help from the yellow, etc, until you are the biggest faction. I'm assuming here that the Cylon vote means a yellow is still alive. We don't know their wincon. Maybe they can win with scum.

I'm concerned that Course to Earth could hurt town. That fire didn't sound good. Do you and Jack have to be the ones to volunteer, like you and LL did before? If you leave the game like before, then there are (most likely) 3 town and 3 non-town votes. If yellow allies with red while you are away, town could lose, depending on when/if you come back.

Let me check at what point an XO can be played. We need you to vote with us, so even if you give us the name now so we can cause an exile, you still have the power of your vote to keep us honest. The timing might be tricky and even impossible, though.

What do you Believe in?

To the bold, I actually don't know. I think in the show there was a religious element, but having not seen it I don't know exactly what it is. But the rediscovery of earth played into it I think in some way.

[EFHW]

I don't think no exile is the safest bet. So far we have only seen red having a killing power. How do we know they don't have a strongman? Or a roleblocker for you? Or a rolestopper. Or redirection. Best by far is to get rid of the danger and then have accelerated days and nights.

I'm uncomfortable with your reasoning here. Why be so set on no exile?

And if you and Jack disappear, you might not be able to block anyone overnight.

I'm irked by you trying to dictate all the terms.

[EFHW]

We can just exile gkrieg.

[Swowl]

@ Dylan - are you 100% sure that you are not removed from the game when travel to earth is completed?

PPE: EFHW got there first.

[gkrieg13]

We can just exile gkrieg.

You think it's me over glooble?

[Dylan32]

I don't think no exile is the safest bet. So far we have only seen red having a killing power. How do we know they don't have a strongman? Or a roleblocker for you? Or a rolestopper. Or redirection. Best by far is to get rid of the danger and then have accelerated days and nights.

I'm uncomfortable with your reasoning here. Why be so set on no exile?

And if you and Jack disappear, you might not be able to block anyone overnight.

I'm irked by you trying to dictate all the terms.

I literally stopped two kills last night. So we have 1 night done and only need 2 no exiles and 1 more night with me doing the same thing to end it. Exiling means you are taking the chance of getting red (you might not if you don't listen to me), that Swowl is green and doesn't kill (might not be), and that by the time you get everyone who can or will kill out that town will still be a majority (not guaranteed). I'm not really trying to dictate all the terms. I'm offering town the safest path to win and keeping just enough leverage (who Red is) to make sure I don't give that up and then get hosed.