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[jotheonah]

Teproc, if we had more time I'd agree, but with so little time left that just forces us to make a rush lynch in the last two days or whatever which is really only good for scum.

Axxle and Teproc are both scummy for pushing so hard for yuma to use the dayvig today. Taking our time is almost always the pro-town option.

That said, I do not get why yuma claimed! I wasn't following the previous game he was referenceing, but that strikes me as a role you absolutely keep secret, especially if there's no particular reason to think scum will target you at night, which I think is the case here.

Someone said yuma's meta would force him to claim? Can someone explain that please?

[jotheonah]

Basically if you claim dayvig, you should be ready to use it that day. Otherwise you're throwing the role away. Unless you're counting on protection, which is lame on several counts -- you can't assume there will be protective roles, and it's rude to suddenly require them to target you esp. with two ICs around.

[Axxle]

vote: yuma

Why?

He's not really behaving like I'd expect a town day vig would. And even if he is one I don't want him to keep his shot to a point where scum could easily manipulate him.

[mail-mi]

So yuma's claim hasn't had an influence on me to his alignment. Could be town, could be scum.

[Axxle]

Axxle and Teproc are both scummy for pushing so hard for yuma to use the dayvig today. Taking our time is almost always the pro-town option.

Basically if you claim dayvig, you should be ready to use it that day.

What?

[jotheonah]

Axxle and Teproc are both scummy for pushing so hard for yuma to use the dayvig today. Taking our time is almost always the pro-town option.

Basically if you claim dayvig, you should be ready to use it that day.

What?

it sounds contradictory but it's not. I don't think yuma should have claimed. Now that yuma has claimed though, I can't see how its protown to rush into two lynches with no information. Day 1 lynches rarely hit scum. Why would you want two day 1 lynches?

[jotheonah]

Honestly, if we're really concerned about parity, I'd rather think about no lynch than day 1 vig. But I think parity can wait. We should lynch one person.

[jotheonah]

yuma, why on earth did you claim?

[Teproc]

Axxle and Teproc are both scummy for pushing so hard for yuma to use the dayvig today. Taking our time is almost always the pro-town option.

This is a misrepresentation. I'm not pushing yuma to vig someone, what I suggest would basically be a different kind of lynch, but a lynch nonetheless.

That said, I do not get why yuma claimed! I wasn't following the previous game he was referenceing, but that strikes me as a role you absolutely keep secret, especially if there's no particular reason to think scum will target you at night, which I think is the case here.

Someone said yuma's meta would force him to claim? Can someone explain that please?

I guess the idea is that he claimed with the same role in Wheel of Time, and he was town there, so it would look scummy if he behaved differently with the same role in this game. I'm not sure though.

Mostly I think yuma's claim is good because it seems like his existence has to be an annoyance for scum. Do they kill him, try to manipulate his kill, try to prevent him from using it because they fear it might be on them ? It makes their life difficult I think, at least for now (having a vig of unkown alignment later on might be good for them).

PPE : 7

[Teproc]

Axxle and Teproc are both scummy for pushing so hard for yuma to use the dayvig today. Taking our time is almost always the pro-town option.

Basically if you claim dayvig, you should be ready to use it that day.

What?

it sounds contradictory but it's not. I don't think yuma should have claimed. Now that yuma has claimed though, I can't see how its protown to rush into two lynches with no information. Day 1 lynches rarely hit scum. Why would you want two day 1 lynches?

I know you're quoting Axxle here, but I will stress again that this is not at all what I'm advocating.

[jotheonah]

Axxle and Teproc are both scummy for pushing so hard for yuma to use the dayvig today. Taking our time is almost always the pro-town option.

Basically if you claim dayvig, you should be ready to use it that day.

What?

it sounds contradictory but it's not. I don't think yuma should have claimed. Now that yuma has claimed though, I can't see how its protown to rush into two lynches with no information. Day 1 lynches rarely hit scum. Why would you want two day 1 lynches?

I know you're quoting Axxle here, but I will stress again that this is not at all what I'm advocating.

So you're saying, shoot someone and then no-lynch? Just to get the shot out of the way? what's the benefit there?

Mostly I think yuma's claim is good because it seems like his existence has to be an annoyance for scum. Do they kill him, try to manipulate his kill, try to prevent him from using it because they fear it might be on them ? It makes their life difficult I think, at least for now (having a vig of unkown alignment later on might be good for them).

I think this is a fallacy. Scum has all the options they had before, they just have more information. And moe information about town PRs always makes scum's life easier, not harder.

[Teproc]

Axxle and Teproc are both scummy for pushing so hard for yuma to use the dayvig today. Taking our time is almost always the pro-town option.

Basically if you claim dayvig, you should be ready to use it that day.

What?

it sounds contradictory but it's not. I don't think yuma should have claimed. Now that yuma has claimed though, I can't see how its protown to rush into two lynches with no information. Day 1 lynches rarely hit scum. Why would you want two day 1 lynches?

I know you're quoting Axxle here, but I will stress again that this is not at all what I'm advocating.

So you're saying, shoot someone and then no-lynch? Just to get the shot out of the way? what's the benefit there?

Is reading that hard ? I explained it, like, five posts ago.

I'm saying that when someone gets to L-1 with intent to hammer, we should have yuma use his shot instead of actually lynching, that way we can decide after the flip if we want a second lynch (that's probably only if he's scum), but most importantly we get to talk about the flip, which gives us more content, plain and simple. It's only good if we reach a lynch at least a day before deadline, but it's be pretty useful I think.

[Robz888]

Avoid-the-prod post.

[jotheonah]

Axxle and Teproc are both scummy for pushing so hard for yuma to use the dayvig today. Taking our time is almost always the pro-town option.

Basically if you claim dayvig, you should be ready to use it that day.

What?

it sounds contradictory but it's not. I don't think yuma should have claimed. Now that yuma has claimed though, I can't see how its protown to rush into two lynches with no information. Day 1 lynches rarely hit scum. Why would you want two day 1 lynches?

I know you're quoting Axxle here, but I will stress again that this is not at all what I'm advocating.

So you're saying, shoot someone and then no-lynch? Just to get the shot out of the way? what's the benefit there?

Is reading that hard ? I explained it, like, five posts ago.

I'm saying that when someone gets to L-1 with intent to hammer, we should have yuma use his shot instead of actually lynching, that way we can decide after the flip if we want a second lynch (that's probably only if he's scum), but most importantly we get to talk about the flip, which gives us more content, plain and simple. It's only good if we reach a lynch at least a day before deadline, but it's be pretty useful I think.

That strikes me as marginal utility at best. For the benefit of a few extra hours of discussion post-flip (which probably benefits scum as well as town) we waste yuma's shot? Or, you know, get that pesky dayvig out of the way?

Vote: Teproc for pushing a plan that is so good for scum and so not good for town.

[Teproc]

Axxle and Teproc are both scummy for pushing so hard for yuma to use the dayvig today. Taking our time is almost always the pro-town option.

Basically if you claim dayvig, you should be ready to use it that day.

What?

it sounds contradictory but it's not. I don't think yuma should have claimed. Now that yuma has claimed though, I can't see how its protown to rush into two lynches with no information. Day 1 lynches rarely hit scum. Why would you want two day 1 lynches?

I know you're quoting Axxle here, but I will stress again that this is not at all what I'm advocating.

So you're saying, shoot someone and then no-lynch? Just to get the shot out of the way? what's the benefit there?

Is reading that hard ? I explained it, like, five posts ago.

I'm saying that when someone gets to L-1 with intent to hammer, we should have yuma use his shot instead of actually lynching, that way we can decide after the flip if we want a second lynch (that's probably only if he's scum), but most importantly we get to talk about the flip, which gives us more content, plain and simple. It's only good if we reach a lynch at least a day before deadline, but it's be pretty useful I think.

That strikes me as marginal utility at best. For the benefit of a few extra hours of discussion post-flip (which probably benefits scum as well as town) we waste yuma's shot? Or, you know, get that pesky dayvig out of the way?

Vote: Teproc for pushing a plan that is so good for scum and so not good for town.

Huh ?

Why are you assuming yumais a One-Shot Dayvig ? If he is, sure, my plan is terrible. I didn't think of that since he just claimed dayvig, and given that his role was unlimited (I believe) in WoT, that's just where my mind went.

[chairs]

Axxle and Teproc are both scummy for pushing so hard for yuma to use the dayvig today. Taking our time is almost always the pro-town option.

Basically if you claim dayvig, you should be ready to use it that day.

What?

it sounds contradictory but it's not. I don't think yuma should have claimed. Now that yuma has claimed though, I can't see how its protown to rush into two lynches with no information. Day 1 lynches rarely hit scum. Why would you want two day 1 lynches?

I know you're quoting Axxle here, but I will stress again that this is not at all what I'm advocating.

So you're saying, shoot someone and then no-lynch? Just to get the shot out of the way? what's the benefit there?

Is reading that hard ? I explained it, like, five posts ago.

I'm saying that when someone gets to L-1 with intent to hammer, we should have yuma use his shot instead of actually lynching, that way we can decide after the flip if we want a second lynch (that's probably only if he's scum), but most importantly we get to talk about the flip, which gives us more content, plain and simple. It's only good if we reach a lynch at least a day before deadline, but it's be pretty useful I think.

That strikes me as marginal utility at best. For the benefit of a few extra hours of discussion post-flip (which probably benefits scum as well as town) we waste yuma's shot? Or, you know, get that pesky dayvig out of the way?

Vote: Teproc for pushing a plan that is so good for scum and so not good for town.

Huh ?

Why are you assuming yumais a One-Shot Dayvig ? If he is, sure, my plan is terrible. I didn't think of that since he just claimed dayvig, and given that his role was unlimited (I believe) in WoT, that's just where my mind went.

I believe it was one-shot dayvig, one-shot nightvig in WoT.  Unlimited dayvig would be... impressive.

[Witherweaver]

Not really caught up, but to clarify: Yuma in WoT was town with 1-shot dayvig + 1-shot night vig.  He claimed asap on day 1.

I agree with the he-had-to-claim-meta statement someone made.  If he shoots without claiming, everyone would question why he didn't do it up front.  It also makes sense for him to wait to do it right after WoT, since his alignment there wasn't revealed yet, and he can't talk about the claim. 

So I think his claiming here was the "right" thing to do, regardless of alignment.  But I don't have a good alignment read on him. 

[Teproc]

Yeah, what I said was dumb. Don't know why I assumed it was unlimited dayvig (not that it would be that crazy it's really not THAT different from a regular vig).

[Delirious Deleuze]

Not fully caught up either, but I don't know if a vig shot is in our best interest today, but given that he claimed, it puts us in a bad spot.

He'll most likely be NKed because he's a vig. Which means his shot would be useless if we wait and he dies. That being said, I don't know if a vig shot today will be the best for us, but at the very best it will give us more information and possibly a scum kill.

I don't know. I think given that he claimed D1 we have to use the shot

[chairs]

Yeah, what I said was dumb. Don't know why I assumed it was unlimited dayvig (not that it would be that crazy it's really not THAT different from a regular vig).

Dayvigs can't be roleblocked, because roleblocking is a Night action and blocks Night actions (unless the role is modified).

[A Drowned Kernel]

Not fully caught up either, but I don't know if a vig shot is in our best interest today, but given that he claimed, it puts us in a bad spot.

He'll most likely be NKed because he's a vig. Which means his shot would be useless if we wait and he dies. That being said, I don't know if a vig shot today will be the best for us, but at the very best it will give us more information and possibly a scum kill.

I don't know. I think given that he claimed D1 we have to use the shot

Scum would probably rather kill the ICs and see if they can get us to lynch yuma, especially since he has said he's probably going to wait until a later day to shoot. I would rather discuss a lynch candidate (WW is still my preference) and let Yuma decides if he wants to do the "pseudo-lynch" thing Teproc suggested (in WoT he didn't reveal how many shots he had at first, he could be one-shot/X-shot/unlimited here and it's up to him to reveal that information or not).

PPE: 1

[Teproc]

Yeah, what I said was dumb. Don't know why I assumed it was unlimited dayvig (not that it would be that crazy it's really not THAT different from a regular vig).

Dayvigs can't be roleblocked, because roleblocking is a Night action and blocks Night actions (unless the role is modified).

Yeah but they have to out themselves when they shoot. So I don't think it's an unrealistic role at all. Whatever the case may be, my reasoning was based on a faulty assumption, so I was wrong and yuma should do whatever he feels like doing with his PR.

I'm going to unvote for now. I really need to reread, and scum!joth would probably want me to keep pushing in order to out more info about yuma's role, and he did the reverse here.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I know I'm not very active this game, sorry about that. I think it's just that this weekend is crazy for me. I should be more involved in the next couple days.

[chairs]

I know I'm not very active this game, sorry about that. I think it's just that this weekend is crazy for me. I should be more involved in the next couple days.

DO YOUR BUILD IN POWERGRID

[EFHW]

No reason for yuma to dayvig today. It would basically be a random shot, so it's better saved for when he has a strong scum read.