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An idea I had for new Duration cards
« on: November 04, 2013, 04:34:10 pm »
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What if there were cards that were similar to "while" loops in programming; that is, they have an effect over and over until a certain condition is met?  I don't know if they'd require their own type or if you could just call them Durations.  But for example:

Card 1 - Duration -$5

At the beginning of each of your turns, reveal your hand.  If you did not reveal a Province, +$1.  If you did, trash this.

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When you buy this, put it into play immediately.

Or:

Card 2 - Duration - $5

At the beginning of each of your Buy phases, you may discard a card.  If you did, +1 card and +1 buy.  When you buy a card costing $6 or more, trash this.

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When you buy this, put it into play immediately.

I'm sure there are horrible balance issues with these, but I like the idea.  Can anyone think of others?  I haven't come up with a way to make a Village-type one yet.
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Re: An idea I had for new Duration cards
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2013, 04:46:26 pm »
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There are already cards that do "while" loops within one action, e.g. Scrying Pool and Sage.  Doing that for Durations may be interesting though.

Your Card 1 is pretty similar to Treasury in concept.  Card 1 goes into play immediately and gives $1 each turn until you have a Province in hand.  Treasury does not go into play immediately, and it gives $1 each turn until you buy a Victory card.  But it doesn't get trashed at that point and remains in your deck to be played later.  There are other interactions too, of course (e.g. Throne Room).
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Re: An idea I had for new Duration cards
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2013, 06:03:28 pm »
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Maybe type "ongoing"? Possibly without "action" even; if it is put into play when you gain it (instead of only when you buy it) you'll never play it anyway.

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Re: An idea I had for new Duration cards
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2013, 02:58:00 pm »
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Quote from: jpople02 on November 04, 2013, 04:34:10 pm
I haven't come up with a way to make a Village-type one yet.
"At the beginning of each of your turns, +1 Action."
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Re: An idea I had for new Duration cards
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2013, 05:57:02 pm »
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Quote from: Jack Rudd on November 08, 2013, 02:58:00 pm
Quote from: jpople02 on November 04, 2013, 04:34:10 pm
I haven't come up with a way to make a Village-type one yet.
"At the beginning of each of your turns, +1 Action."

Hmm... I think this (and all the cards in the OP) need to be rephrased to say "at the beginning of each of your turns, if this card is in play, [effect]".  If it doesn't qualify that the card is in play, then playing it once should technically grant the bonus every turn after that, even if the card gets removed from play.
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Re: An idea I had for new Duration cards
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2013, 07:03:27 pm »
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Couldn't you repeatedly discard with Card 2 the way its worded?
So go through the entire deck and have lots of buys (and keep going until you have the perfect hand?)

Its the beginning of my buy phase, ill discard.
Oh its still the beginning of my buy phase, discard one card.
Etc....
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Re: An idea I had for new Duration cards
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2013, 07:19:23 pm »
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Quote from: Ozle on November 08, 2013, 07:03:27 pm
Couldn't you repeatedly discard with Card 2 the way its worded?
So go through the entire deck and have lots of buys (and keep going until you have the perfect hand?)

Its the beginning of my buy phase, ill discard.
Oh its still the beginning of my buy phase, discard one card.
Etc....

Well, it does say "Discard *a* card".  I guess it doesn't explicitly say that you're only allowed to use it once, but I think it's pretty much implied.  Anyway, I've thought about it and I feel like it makes more sense for it to be +$1 and not +1 card.  It'd be horrible to draw an Action dead, especially a crucial one.
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Re: An idea I had for new Duration cards
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2013, 07:37:06 pm »
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Yes, it does say 'a' card, but its a constant in play that causes that effect, and that constant is still in play after you have discarded. And you are still at the beginning of your buy phase.

I think it would need to be phrased "once per turn, during your buy phase"

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Re: An idea I had for new Duration cards
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2013, 07:49:07 pm »
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Quote from: Ozle on November 08, 2013, 07:37:06 pm
I think it would need to be phrased "once per turn, during your buy phase"

...Would you look at that, I've invented constructs from Ascension.  Woops.
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Re: An idea I had for new Duration cards
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2013, 09:40:59 pm »
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I think "at the beginning of your buy phase" is supposed to be a M:tG triggered ability, which triggers once, gives you an option, then doesn't happen again until its trigger event happens again. Dominion doesn't really have those, but as long as you're inventing a new card type you get to write the rules too :-)
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Re: An idea I had for new Duration cards
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2013, 10:20:59 pm »
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Quote from: Ozle on November 08, 2013, 07:03:27 pm
Couldn't you repeatedly discard with Card 2 the way its worded?
So go through the entire deck and have lots of buys (and keep going until you have the perfect hand?)

Its the beginning of my buy phase, ill discard.
Oh its still the beginning of my buy phase, discard one card.
Etc....

This doesn't seem to make sense. Look at any other Duration card.

Caravan: It's the beginning of my turn, so I get +1 card. Oh look, it's still the beginning of my turn, so I get +1 card again.

…That's not how it works, and I don't see why it "at the beginning of your buy phase" would be any different.
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