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[Jimmmmm]

He hedged badly on a free PR lynch on D1

This is such a gross misrepresentation. I never wanted to or advocated lynching Morgrim. If you think I did, you don't understand either frustration or sarcasm.

[Robz888]

Unvote

[Robz888]

Thanks, Walrus. Well, it has to be ash, then.

[faust]

Crazy, crazy, crazy. Walrus, who did you target last night?

[faust]

Crazy, crazy, crazy. Walrus, who did you target last night?

Uh, I can't read.

[faust]

Scum team: Walrus, ashersky, Jimmmmm?

[Jimmmmm]

Wait. No. Stop. All wrong.

I am the real roleblocker. I targeted Robz N1.

vote: ashersky

Nice try ash.

Wow okay. I guess that had to happen.

[Voltaire]

Thanks, Walrus. Well, it has to be ash, then.

unvote. Does it? No scenario where Walrus is covering for Jimmmmm?

[Robz888]

Thanks, Walrus. Well, it has to be ash, then.

unvote. Does it? No scenario where Walrus is covering for Jimmmmm?

The scenario where two scum are outed after ash flips?

[Teproc]

That would be pretty insane. It's possible though. The safest route is still to lynch ash first, right ? The other might be PRs, but that's irrelevant because in that scenario we have no PRs (or they couldn't throw fakeclaims around like that).

[Voltaire]

Thanks, Walrus. Well, it has to be ash, then.

unvote. Does it? No scenario where Walrus is covering for Jimmmmm?

The scenario where two scum are outed after ash flips?

Right right.

vote: ashersky

[Teproc]

Thanks, Walrus. Well, it has to be ash, then.

unvote. Does it? No scenario where Walrus is covering for Jimmmmm?

The scenario where two scum are outed after ash flips?

How so ? In this scenario, scum recruited and knows there are no PRs left so they can fakeclaim however much they want.

Pretty unlikely to do such a ballsy plan without daychat though, which would make it more difficult because there could be an actual Roleblocker / Goon Cop.

[Voltaire]

Thanks, Walrus. Well, it has to be ash, then.

unvote. Does it? No scenario where Walrus is covering for Jimmmmm?

The scenario where two scum are outed after ash flips?

Right right.

vote: ashersky

Actually I think there are scenarios where faust's scumteam is true. But occam's razor, ash is scum either way.

[Jimmmmm]

Okay, to answer a couple of questions?

Why not claim earlier? I wanted to get as much from Today as possible. If I claim immediately and we lynch quickly, we don't get any progress towards outing ash's partners. Even if we don't lynch immediately, scum know that ash will die soon, and will act accordingly. I wanted to get people's opinions on ash before I claimed.

Why don't I want to lynch ash? Well I do, but I'd rather find his possible PR partners. Right now for me ash is caught scum. When I'm killed, and presumably that will happen at some point, ash will be 100% caught scum. We will lynch him when we choose to lynch him, which will probably be sooner rather than later. I am intrigued about the idea of keeping him alive to see if that would keep me alive, and I've actually suggested doing the same thing in another game, but I realise from an external point of view we could both be scum so that's probably not going to happen. You'll note I'm still voting for him.

Why claim when I did? Proximity to deadline, the fact that the game was moving slowly and that most people had put down an opinion on ash.

[Jimmmmm]

The Jorbles NK makes more sense now, with jimmmmm confirmed as scum.  Separate on wagons, no real interaction.  Good choice for him specifically.

Except I started the Jorbles wagon.

[Voltaire]

Daychat for sure.  Man, daychat would be awesome.  It's a strong power.  As mentioned, if I was scum, I'd definitely go full on or zero, as much for wifom purposes as anything else.  So Daychat/Joat/Recruit?  BP is LAME-O and I see no use for a Role Cop whatsoever.  Otherwise, roll with two goons.

How much you want to bet ash's team took daychat/JOAT/recruit? He did a "claim reality" thing in the latest RMM game.

[Jimmmmm]

If he were truly the cop he should be playing his typical reserved self, to maximize his chances of living long. And Jimm usually lives a long time for precisely this reason. If you're a town PR, you picked the really wrong time to switch up your meta!

Yeah I actually planned this. I was intending to be sort of middle of the posting, uncontroversial etc to try to avoid the NK. I'm not actually sure what happened to that.

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmmm's claim makes a lot of sense in the light of this:

I really think Jimm is scum, guys.

Are you breadcrumbing a PR here? Because if you are, and have an incriminating result on Jimmmmm, I'd prefer if you claimed right away. That way, we can safely lynch Jimmmmm, e can protect you for another night, and if he doesn't because he's scum, well, there we have found our second scum and are in quite good shape.

He did his question in the post after that, which means he decided to claim immediately after I urged the Goon Cop to claim.

I took that under some consideration, but it didn't really have a lot to do with the fact that I claimed, or the timing of my claim. It was always going to come at some point in the next few days after that post.

[faust]

Now you're making my head hurt. Trying to analyze this. These are the claims:

faust  - IC
Morgrim - Tracker
e - Bodyguard
Jimmmmm - Goon Cop
ashersky - Roleblocker
Walrus - Roleblocker

Possible scenarios:

1. scum chose 0 powers.
In that case we have 4 fake claims. Doesn't make sense.

2. scum chose 1 power.
Here, we have 3 fake claims. I don't see a Jimmmmm/ashersky/Walrus scum team in this case, since to coordinate what just happened, they would need Recruiting and Daytalk IMO. So Walrus is telling the truth in this scenario. Everyone else is lying. I doubt that scum would make 3(!) fakeclaims with 1 PR still out there, so it's an unlikely scenario.

3. scum chose 2 powers.
In that case, e's claim would have been quite dangerous as scum (50% chance of being counterclaimed). So I'm inclined to trust e's claim. Then two other claims must be false. Who is telling the truth here? Definitely not ashersky. Jimmmmm is possible, with Walrus trying to grab towncred by lynching his partner. If Walrus was town here, I don't think Jimmmm and ash would have pulled this knowing one PR is still out there. So yes, in this case Jimmmmm has to be the one to tell the truth.

4. scum chose 3 powers
This means we probably have either one fakeclaim and ashersky is lying or one PR still unclaimed and the scenario of 3.

PPE: 7

[Jimmmmm]

You know what? In this situation, it would be really neat if we still had a Tracker...

So much this.

[Robz888]

Well we never had a Tracker, our Tracker was Morgrim. Get...over...it...

[faust]

Right now, I would say ashersky has a 0% chance of flipping town (see what I did there?). There is no need to lynch him now, let's try and find the scum PR instead.

[Robz888]

Right now, I would say ashersky has a 0% chance of flipping town (see what I did there?). There is no need to lynch him now, let's try and find the scum PR instead.

No, we should lynch ash, for sure for sure. It would be insane not to lynch ash today.

[Jimmmmm]

So, here's Jimmmmm's reread:

I'll just colllect everything noteable and give post numbers, since I don't want to quote all of it. In the beginning, we have the famous refusal to give Robz town points (#167). Then, early on, he has an exchange with ashersky (around #206). He then accuses mcmc of being vague (#245) and votes for him (#381). Note that he never says that he is no longer suspicious of mcmc.

My suspicion of mcmc is still there, and I will have more to say about him before the Day ends.

During the e discussion, he defends e (#459, #491) and then is the first to vote Jorbles (#493). He then again has a conversation with ashersky (around #503). The next post, after e's claim, is interesting enough to quote it:

I think, although he probably shouldn't have claimed at this point, his claim does get him some Town points. If he is scum, Town probably don't have many PRs, since if they do that would be too great a risk to take.

This could be PR breadcrumbing (if he is scum, town doesn't have many PRs. I have a PR, so e is more likely town), but it's far from clear.

No that wasn't breadcrumbing, although it was probably influenced by having a PR.

He is then suspicious of how quickly the Jorbles wagon grew (#536) and votes manda for her scummy Jorbles vote (#587). What follows, his whole opposition to the Morgrim wagon, is already well-discussed.
Now something big: At the start of D2, he posts this:

Hey people: It was a joke! ashersky was joking. We here at f.ds do that sometimes. Maybe it was scummy joking, I don't know. We do that too. But it was a joke.

By that time, according to his claim, he already knew that ashersky was scum. Why defend known scum?
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Yeah, at that point I still wasn't sure the best way to approach my result. Mostly I saw what ash was doing (joking) and didn't want to waste pages on people misunderstanding it.

[Voltaire]

Right now, I would say ashersky has a 0% chance of flipping town (see what I did there?). There is no need to lynch him now, let's try and find the scum PR instead.

Do you mean try to find his partners in-game today and lynch ash at the end of it, or do you mean lynch someone else today?