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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #975 on: December 06, 2013, 07:22:50 pm »

I started trying to catch up, but didn't, and I think I have to re-read what I read anyway because it turned out consequential, this walrus/ash joke thing? It gave me the strong impression that ash was scum, but I have to review why I thought that because maybe I misread. Anyway, sorry, don't like lynch someone anytime soon please.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #976 on: December 06, 2013, 07:48:50 pm »

Well I'm finding it difficult to come up with anything definitive looking at the last couple pages. Partially because my head is still clouded with annoyance.

Jimmmmm vs. ashersky is feeling townish vs. townish here. More town points to Jimmmmm than ash though.

Teproc still feels a little off to me...like in Game of Thrones, I feel like he posted a whole lot more right from the get go. Big, substantial posts with high frequency and lots of content. Now while the stuff he's been saying is rationalistic enough, it just doesn't quite feel the same.

Hard to read manda, but I still want to say town...I would think she would have been more involved by now and concerned with her public appearance if she were scum.

Voltaire still seems towny, throwing around lots of good discussion.

mcmc maybe on the scummy side. Like, he said just now that he found me scummy, without backing it up with a vote or anything...it seems like he might be in the sweet spot of actilurking and safe opinions where scum likes to hang out.

I'd also like to hear more from Robz...he was one of my scumreads going into yesterday, for being all over the place with his vote and generally not feeling like Robz.

This isn't as much as I wanted to write but I am fairly swamped with work at the moment.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #977 on: December 06, 2013, 07:55:36 pm »

Vote Count 2.2

ashersky (1): Jimmmmm
Walrus (1): Voltaire

Not Voting (8): faust, ashersky, Robz, Walrus, Teproc, manda, mcmcsalot, 2.7

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #978 on: December 06, 2013, 09:31:42 pm »

Everyone saying Jimm vs Ash is so definitely town vs town is not a sentiment I share. I think it is equally plausible that the argument was scum/town, town/town, town/scum. I mean just that it fits for town and scum ash and jimm to have acted that way toward eachother.

So if one of Walrus or 2.7 is scum I think one of ash/jimm is likely to be scum.

Also I still think vote: walrus is probably scum.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #979 on: December 07, 2013, 05:18:59 am »

Some voting history.

D1:

Robz votes Voltaire (1)
Jimmmmm votes Robz (1)
Voltaire votes manda (1)
Robz votes Jimmmmm (1)
mcmc votes Jimmmmm (2)
Teproc votes Robz (2)
Walrus votes Robz (3)
ashersky votes Jimmmmm (3)
Jimmmmm unvotes
Jorbles votes Robz (3)
Voltaire votes Morgrim (1)
Robz votes Voltaire (1)
mcmc votes Teproc (1)
Walrus votes e (1)
Voltaire votes ashersky (1)
mcmc votes ashersky (2)
Robz votes Jimmmmm (2)
mcmc unvotes
Jimmmmm votes mcmc (1)
mcmc votes e (2)
Jorbles votes e (3)
faust votes e (4)
Robz votes Jimmmmm (2)
ashersky votes e (5)
Jimmmmm votes Jorbles (1)
Robz votes Jorbles (2)
e votes Jorbles (3)
ashersky votes Jorbles (4)
Morgrim votes Jorbles (5)
Morgrim unvotes
manda votes Jorbles (5)
Robz unvotes
Walrus votes Robz (2)
Walrus votes ashersky (2)
faust unvotes
ashersky votes Walrus (1)
Jorbles unvotes
Jimmmmm votes manda (1)
e votes manda (2)
Robz votes Morgrim (1)
Jorbles votes ahsersky (3)
mcmc votes Morgrim (2)
Morgrim votes Morgrim (3)
Teproc votes Morgrim (4)
e votes Morgrim (5)
ashersky votes Morgrim (6)
e unvotes
Morgrim unvotes
e votes manda (2)
Jorbles votes Morgrim (5)
e votes Morgrim (6)
Voltaire hammers Morgrim (7)

D2:

Walrus votes ashersky (1)
Walrus unvotes
Jimmmmm votes ashersky (1)
Jimmmmm votes manda (1)
Jimmmmm votes ashersky (1)
Voltaire votes Jimmmmm (1)
Voltaire unvotes
Voltaire votes Walrus (1)
mcmc votes Walrus (2)
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #980 on: December 07, 2013, 05:33:57 am »

People on all three wagons:

ashersky

People on all wagons not them:

e, Jorbles

People on two wagons:

mcmc, Robz, Morgrim

People on one wagon:

Voltaire, faust, Jimmmmm, Teproc, manda, Walrus

People on no wagon:

noone

Total number of votes:

7 - Jimmmm
6 - Robz
6 - mcmcsalot
5 - Voltaire
5 - Walrus
5 - ashersky
5 - 2.7
4 - Jorbles
2 - Teproc
2 - morgrim
1 - faust
1 - manda




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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #981 on: December 07, 2013, 08:09:25 am »

Faust what is your analysis of this data?
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #982 on: December 07, 2013, 08:22:10 am »

Faust what is your analysis of this data?

I would like the rest to review this data first, my analysis will follow later.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #983 on: December 07, 2013, 08:59:51 am »

Well, let me say one thing already: Robz has stated previously, here and elsewhere, that he thinks IC is a very powerful role. Therefore, I do not believe that scum!Robz would be okay with not trying to NK the IC. So I highly doubt that Robz chose the NK target. It could be of course that Robz is the Traitor, but I'd like to take him out of the lynch pool today.

And one more thing: Jorbles dying does not necessarily mean that scum NK'ed him. It's unlikely, but there is a possibility that he died by the hands of town.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #984 on: December 07, 2013, 09:40:39 am »

Succesful Roleblocker + Vig would be necessary for that right ? Pretty unlikely, but I guess it's theoretically possible.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #985 on: December 07, 2013, 09:56:47 am »

Succesful Roleblocker + Vig would be necessary for that right ? Pretty unlikely, but I guess it's theoretically possible.

This or Vig + scum shot their own Traitor. But this would also mean that scum did not shoot me, which is weird.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #986 on: December 07, 2013, 10:02:51 am »

It also means the Vig would have shot Jorbles, which I find very unlikely. Also, isn't the non-ash consensus that vigs shouldn't shoot night 1 ? So yeah, interesting in theory but probably too unlikely to matter. I guess it might be useful to remember if there's a claimed vig at some point.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #987 on: December 07, 2013, 10:30:32 am »

I would say it is pretty safe to assume that jorbles was NKed by scum. I will be working under that assumption until someone claims vig or we get two NKs which confirms vig, even if we do not know who it is.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Night1)
« Reply #988 on: December 07, 2013, 10:41:49 am »

What the case on me? That I was against the Morgrim lynch but said I wanted to do it out of frustration and sarcastically said that lynching PRs is what we do?

That first part, yes. Very much. Scum would have two reactions, depending on the setup, to the Morgrim wagon:

1. Jumping with insane glee
2. Extreme paranoia that Morgrim drew traitor

I can see what you did fitting very nicely with 2 (also, I don't remember you working hard to derail the lynch, even though you were against it) and 1 both. There's also the rest of your play D1, like refusing to give Robz townpoints on his setup confusion (which I am now really starting to think makes him well and truly town, along with manda). There was something more relating to mcmc but I can't find it now and am getting worried it was from another game.

Sorry, this is a really weak case. Why would scum need to have paranoia that Morgrim was a Traitor? What exactly made Morgrim more likely a Traitor than anyone else in this game? And - we do not even know if there's still a Traitor around. Basing your accusations on this assumption is already making them weaker. And the "refusing to give Robz town points" stuff - man, there's just nothing there. I did not give Robz townpoints for that.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Night1)
« Reply #989 on: December 07, 2013, 10:44:41 am »

Basically - if there's scum off-wagon, it's probably Jimmmmm.

Why not Walrus?
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Night1)
« Reply #990 on: December 07, 2013, 12:00:06 pm »

Basically - if there's scum off-wagon, it's probably Jimmmmm.

Why not Walrus?

I currently think it is more likely Walrus! The Jimmmmm stuff you quoted was based on me remembering a "gut" scummy read on him and trying to figure out where it came from. I then built a case on him from my poor memory. Are you caught up? I'm voting Walrus.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Night1)
« Reply #991 on: December 07, 2013, 12:36:19 pm »

Basically - if there's scum off-wagon, it's probably Jimmmmm.

Why not Walrus?

I currently think it is more likely Walrus! The Jimmmmm stuff you quoted was based on me remembering a "gut" scummy read on him and trying to figure out where it came from. I then built a case on him from my poor memory. Are you caught up? I'm voting Walrus.

Sorry, I was rereading and not remembering current events....
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #992 on: December 07, 2013, 12:43:05 pm »

Yeah yeah I know. Not one of my finer moments. I thought I had done something extremely brilliant, instead I acted very foolish. Quite embarrassing...it sort of makes me want to crawl under a rock and just try again next game lol.

Give me a minute and I'll take a look at what has transpired since then.
Walrus, when you say "not one of my finer moments" are you referring to not getting the joke right away, or to your original post (basically saying it was a mistake to post what you did)
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #993 on: December 07, 2013, 12:52:27 pm »

Not getting the joke. I still stand by my original post.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #994 on: December 08, 2013, 11:09:53 am »

Not getting the joke. I still stand by my original post.

I'm glad you clarified.... I thought you meant your original post at first as well, and I was about to point out how ridiculously scummy that seemed... actually I'm almost disappointed XD

It seems unlikely to me that we have a vig, although I suppose it's possible..... It seems foolish though, to assume that Jorbles' death was anything but an NK until we have some indication that it was otherwise.

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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #995 on: December 08, 2013, 03:26:34 pm »

Bump? Anyone there? Robz you are online, what are your thoughts? I don't really have much to say that I didn't say in my scummary. I do lean town for walrus right now.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #996 on: December 08, 2013, 03:32:23 pm »

Bump? Anyone there? Robz you are online, what are your thoughts? I don't really have much to say that I didn't say in my scummary. I do lean town for walrus right now.

I'm still behind, unfortunately.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Night1)
« Reply #997 on: December 08, 2013, 03:34:12 pm »

Big takeaway: The NK shifted D1 scum reads on Manda and Ashersky to town reads.  So either this NK was brilliant by scum (if at least one of them is scum) or it was a blunder (if both Ash and Manda are town).

What do you guys think of this?
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Night1)
« Reply #998 on: December 08, 2013, 06:24:32 pm »

Big takeaway: The NK shifted D1 scum reads on Manda and Ashersky to town reads.  So either this NK was brilliant by scum (if at least one of them is scum) or it was a blunder (if both Ash and Manda are town).

What do you guys think of this?

Well, I had a null/town read on manda D1 and a scum read on ashersky, and now I have a town read on both, so...I think you have right(er) reads now, regardless of the reason.

I am now dead in my other ongoing game, so I can finally focus more fully on this one.
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Re: Mafia XXXV: Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (Day2)
« Reply #999 on: December 08, 2013, 08:02:22 pm »

Okay, I'm going to read Day while I am on the plane tomorrow. I promise!
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