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[Eevee]

His voting history day 2 is better in the sense that he hasn't been on the wagons before the Walrus one.

And yes Eevee, I do think that is the reason, but it's still worth noting.

I think that just strengthens the scum-mailmi - narrative I'm building.

[Eevee]

I know this is not coming out coherent (my brain is quite fried from the session still, but I was pretty eager to get back to this), but to anyone suspecting mail-mi but not voting for him because he isn't viable.. why isn't he viable?

For me it is a worry. He could be scum. Flashbacks to Pirates II haunt me. But at the same time, f.ds has countless examples of mail-mi being mislynched. It happens all the time.... Remember us in Mean Girls. We went into the end day knowing that we could push a mislynch on mail-mi...

I kinda suspect him. He has done some stuff that makes me go "huh?" But that isn't a reason to lynch mail-mi. It just isn't. Because odds are that he is going to flip town and I don't think we get much of anything out of that unfortunately... especially when we have better options in Voltaire and I think you. I don't think I would lynch walrus over mail-mi. Or Teproc over mail-mi. So he is square in the middle for me. frustrating, but that is the way it goes when you mislynch someone over and over and over again.

I share the sentiment, but I think you are taking it too far. The thought process seems to be "okay.. teproc has been towny, so lets exclude him.. well, then there is mailmi, cant read him, its been a mislynch so often.. got to exclude him as well so that doesnt happen.. who do we have left, its these four guys... well.. poe, those are our lynch pool, 2 scum in 4, pretty good odds, uh?".

I think everyone but me and Teproc is guilty of this to an extent, and because you all should now better, it makes me even more confident teproc is one of the fellow townies i'm trying to identify here.

[yuma]

Look if the case on voltaire wasn't very good, or if there wasn't a halfway decent case on you, yeah... I would be looking more at mail-mi. But those other options exist and so I favor them.

Look I am not saying mail-mi shouldn't be lynched. But rather that we have options that I think are better. a lot of that has to do with mail-mi, but it has more to do with me thinking that we have pretty good options in front of us, so why would I go for one that isn't as good...?

[Eevee]

Even though I've been laying it hard on mailmi lately, my suspicion on him isn't really any bigger than my suspicion on voltaire or walrus. I think it's very likely our two scum are in that trio.

[Eevee]

I strongly disagree that there is a halfway-decent case on me compared to mail-mi!

As I said in my earlier post, I'm not meaning to say he is clearly the obvious lynch for today. Just that he is grossly underconsidered.

[Voltgloss]

Vote Count 2.9:

Eevee (1): EFHW
Walrus (2): mail-mi, Voltaire
Voltaire (2): Walrus, yuma

Not voting (2): Teproc, Eevee

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 2 ends November 13 at 8:00 p.m.

[Eevee]

Well, I'm assuming EFHW still doesn't want anyone at L-1 (I'm like.. very sure at least and probably just one of Voltaire, Walrus is scum). I'm going to bed, but I'll be on again when I wake up. My dad is coming over for father's day festivities 6-7 hours before the deadline, so I likely won't be able to participate much if at all after that. Should be avalalable for the 10 hours between waking up and dad coming though!

[EFHW]

So, I just reread mail-mi, and here is his voting history:

DAY 1
50 RVS on EFHW (1) for not knowing Game of Thrones
75 chairs (1) for not liking faust's BPT claim idea
85 RVS on yuma (1) for being evil
89  Robz (1) for only having 1 post
158  moves from Robz (3) to Walrus (3) less jokey than usual
307 moves from Walrus (2) to faust (2) "I could go for Faust. Better than Robz, IMO"
367 Intent to hammer chairs (6) - no explanation
424 moves from faust (1) to Voltaire (3) for sheeping and looking scummier in exchange with yuma
491 Intent to hammer faust (6)
499 Hammers faust (7)

DAY 2
542 Eevee (1) for "mislynches"
544 unvote
645 Eevee (2) for still pushing old W case
739 moves from Eevee (2) to Walrus (1) for lurking

[EFHW]

With the exception of the intents to hammer, most of mail-mi's votes don't seem intended to influence the outcome of who actually gets lynched.  For example, he leaves the Robz wagon with 3 votes to join the Walrus wagon, making it 3 votes.  He could have let someone else hammer faust - would look less scummy, but he really wanted to do it.  His switch to chairs is the scummiest move, b/c he previously was giving chairs an internet pass, and then suddenly said "great lynch" with no reason.

I get the feeling mail-mi is using his votes as communication devices, not lynching devices. 

Also I see I made a mistake in the vote #'s at L-1 and hammer.  Those should be 4 and 5.

[mail-mi]

1. WalrusMcFishSr--Doesn't feel like his normal self, also lurking and pleasing the crowd.
2. Chairs/Teproc--Super duper townie. Don't lynch.
3. Robz888 Killed Night1, Vanilla Townie
4. Voltaire--Nullish, hasn't done some of the (oh how to word this) super Townie-ish things I expect from Voltaire, but isn't too scummy either.
5. Yuma--Keep mixing him up with Toy Story yuma. Anyway, under a lot of pressure today. Reacted a bit aggressively, slight scummy (I hope I'm not getting mixed up with Toy Story yuma still.)
6. EFHW--JK
7. Mail-Mi--obvtown
8. Eevee--Lurking, except now that he's called out GUESS WHAT? he's back. Scummish read.


Scum to chum:

Walrus
Eevee
Voltaire
yuma
Teproc
EFHW
mail-mi

PPE:7 had to go to dinner in the middle of writing

[EFHW]

If we leave out RVS, then on DAY 1:

Eevee had 1 vote on 1 person
EFHW had 4 votes on 4 different people,
Voltaire had 4 votes on 4 different people,
chairs had 5 votes on 3 different people,
Robz had 5 votes on 4 different people,
mail-mi had 6 votes for 5 different people,
Walrus had 7 votes for 5 different people,
faust had 7 votes for 5 different people,
yuma had 8 votes for 5 different people. 

mail-mi hammered once. 
yuma put Robz to L-1. 
chairs/now Teproc put faust at L-1
Walrus put Voltaire at L-1
faust put both Robz and Walrus at L-1.

[EFHW]

Eevee I'd like to hear your response to this.

[mail-mi]

If we leave out RVS, then on DAY 1:

Eevee had 1 vote on 1 person
EFHW had 4 votes on 4 different people,
Voltaire had 4 votes on 4 different people,
chairs had 5 votes on 3 different people,
Robz had 5 votes on 4 different people,
mail-mi had 6 votes for 5 different people,
Walrus had 7 votes for 5 different people,
faust had 7 votes for 5 different people,
yuma had 8 votes for 5 different people. 

mail-mi hammered once. 
yuma put Robz to L-1. 
chairs/now Teproc put faust at L-1
Walrus put Voltaire at L-1
faust put both Robz and Walrus at L-1.

Wait, you're complaining at mine when Walrus' is the same if not slightly worse than mine? Oh please.

[Eevee]

Eevee I'd like to hear your response to this.

to what?

[EFHW]

Eevee I'd like to hear your response to this.

to what?

mail-mi's voting pattern is not as extreme as you depicted it to be.  Does this affect your viewing him as scum? 

[Teproc]

Since mail-mi pointed out that Eevee has been posting more... he has indeed, very noticeably. Here's my post count now :

Voltaire : 99
yuma : 82
Teproc: 65
EFHW: 59
Eevee: 45
mail-mi: 29
Walrus : 19

PPE : The thing about mail-mi's voting record is that he voted on every wagon. yuma voted more, but not on all wagons. I don't think this data is very instructive because it ignores the context of the vote.

[EFHW]

yuma and Walrus both voted for people who were or became wagons.  It's mail-mi's delivery that looks bad and the fact that votes are a higher percentage of his posts.  But those things are completely consistent with town!mail-mi.  Eevee was saying that it was the number of votes and the large number of different people voted for that he saw as scummy, and mail-mi falls in the middle of the pack there.

yuma's Day 1 votes:
walrus (1)
Robz (L-1)
EFHW (1)
faust (1)
unvote
EFHW (2)
faust (1)
Voltaire (1)
faust (3)

Walrus' Day 1 votes
faust (2)
unvote
faust (2)
Robz (3)
EFHW (2)
Robz (L-1)
chairs (3)
Voltaire (L-1)

[yuma]

I strongly disagree that there is a halfway-decent case on me compared to mail-mi!

You would disagree. But I think most everyone else here would agree with me on this...

[Eevee]

Eevee I'd like to hear your response to this.

to what?

mail-mi's voting pattern is not as extreme as you depicted it to be.  Does this affect your viewing him as scum?

It does, yeah. Drops the percentage I have in my head from 55 to 40 or 45 or something maybe? What caused my views was statements like "I could go for Faust. Better than Robz, IMO" "less jokey, imo" and the unexplained hammer on faust.. left me feeling like he was more all over the place than he actually was. But, as you guys are pointing out, it's consistent with his earlier play to have questionable reasons for his votes.. so meh. I concede.

[Eevee]

PPE : The thing about mail-mi's voting record is that he voted on every wagon. yuma voted more, but not on all wagons. I don't think this data is very instructive because it ignores the context of the vote.

Yuma also tends to build up to his votes more - which makes them stick out less, seem more like a natural progression. But yeah, I wasn't totally off base on my mail-mi suspicions (he WAS very gungho), but I guess that's exactly what I'm used to mislynching him for.

I disagree on giving him any sort of a pass though. While the scummiest thing I had isn't as scummy, there is still the fact that he hasn't been giving me any townie vibes ("hasnt done anything towny") and PoE.

[Eevee]

I'm starting to understand EFHW's point about mail-mi using votes as a communication tool rather than a lynching device. Well said.

The reason my post count is skyrocketing is because for the first time in probably the entire game I sat down for three hours yesterday to have a real back and forth with you guys from a real computer. Lots of short posts like this obviously look "good" in the post counts. mail-mi trying to fling poo at me for being online for a lively discussion for once leaves a sour taste in my mouth though - but I guess it's natural to want to discredit someone that was campaigning against you so heavily.

[Eevee]

So, with this, I guess I''m reducing my lynch pool to Voltaire and Walrus. They are both at L-2, so I'll continue to hold off from voting as per the request of EFHW. Time for more people to come online so we can get this done! 11 hours til deadline.

[EFHW]

I suggest everyone voting Walrus go back and read his first 13 or so posts with fresh eyes.  They read so towny to me. 

[EFHW]

It's 13 b/c that's how far I got when I decided to post this.

[EFHW]

so still on my list are Eevee, yuma, Teproc and maybe Voltaire.