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[pst]

Suggestion: If you're OK playing with or without the point tracker, then when you set up a table at Goko, please add #vpany to the table name!

This is analogous to #vpon and #vpoff that Goko Dominion Salvager knows about. It wouldn't know about this, but people see those tags as well, and avoid some tables. Since you have a table everyone can be happy with, show it, and you'll get opponents faster!

[Awaclus]

Suggestion: If you're OK playing with or without the point tracker, then when you set up a table at Goko, please add #vpany to the table name!

This is analogous to #vpon and #vpoff that Goko Dominion Salvager knows about. It wouldn't know about this, but people see those tags as well, and avoid some tables. Since you have a table everyone can be happy with, show it, and you'll get opponents faster!

This is a great idea, but usually the people without #vpon or #vpoff are people who don't visit the forum anyway, so a lot of them won't see this.

[Beyond Awesome]

I don't set my table either way, but I have it set in settings to vpon, so if I play against an opponent who dislikes the point tracker, they have the option to turn it off.

[pst]

This is a great idea, but usually the people without #vpon or #vpoff are people who don't visit the forum anyway, so a lot of them won't see this.

That doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be universal to be useful. Everyone who does this can get a (small) benefit from it, and I (and people like me) get a small benefit for everyone who does this.

I don't set my table either way, but I have it set in settings to vpon, so if I play against an opponent who dislikes the point tracker, they have the option to turn it off.

If this is for two-player then you are exactly the kind of player I'm making this suggestion to. Currently I wouldn't sit down at your table, because I wouldn't know if you were gonna #vpoff me. If you followed my suggestion I would sit down at your table. (For multiplayer it doesn't work of course, because the vpoffer could be some other player anyway.)

[() | (_) ^/]

This is a great idea, but usually the people without #vpon or #vpoff are people who don't visit the forum anyway, so a lot of them won't see this.

That doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be universal to be useful. Everyone who does this can get a (small) benefit from it, and I (and people like me) get a small benefit for everyone who does this.

I don't set my table either way, but I have it set in settings to vpon, so if I play against an opponent who dislikes the point tracker, they have the option to turn it off.

If this is for two-player then you are exactly the kind of player I'm making this suggestion to. Currently I wouldn't sit down at your table, because I wouldn't know if you were gonna #vpoff me. If you followed my suggestion I would sit down at your table. (For multiplayer it doesn't work of course, because the vpoffer could be some other player anyway.)

I thought about this problem a lot back in the iso days.  I had a weak preference FOR playing with the point tracker (at that point part of the Dominion client itself -- I'm not referencing the deck-tracking extension from those iso days).

But you could only choose auto match to find games where the point tracker was "allowed (or no preference)" or games where the point tracker was "disallowed (or no preference)."  Essentially, all players were pigeon-holed into one of three categories:

I must have the point tracker, and will only play an automatched game with it enabled.
I will have either the point tracker or no point tracker, and will play an automatched game with it enabled or disabled.
I must NOT have the point tracker, and will only play an automatched game with it disabled.


However, I think a slight modification would have been perfect for me:

I must have the point tracker, and will only play an automatched game with it enabled.
I would like to have the point tracker, but will still play an automatched game without it if my opponent has a preference against it.
I will have either the point tracker or no point tracker, and will play an automatched game with it enabled or disabled.
I would like to NOT have the point tracker, but will still play an automatched game with it if my opponent has a preference for it.
I must NOT have the point tracker, and will only play an automatched game with it disabled.

My ideal, back in the iso days, was to have this "weak preference" indicator.  If I indicated a strong preference, all of my matches would have the point counter.  If I indicated a strong preference against, all of my matches would not have it.  If I did not indicate a preference, and I was matched up with someone else who also didn't have a preference, we would play with no point counter. =(

Whereas, if I had a weak preference for the point counter (line 2 from my modifications), then we would still play with the point counter since my opponent had no preference either way.

I guess what I'm saying is that I had a preference, it just wasn't a make-or-break deal that iso pigeon-holed me into if I wanted to play with the point counter.

[Beyond Awesome]

This is a great idea, but usually the people without #vpon or #vpoff are people who don't visit the forum anyway, so a lot of them won't see this.

That doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be universal to be useful. Everyone who does this can get a (small) benefit from it, and I (and people like me) get a small benefit for everyone who does this.

I don't set my table either way, but I have it set in settings to vpon, so if I play against an opponent who dislikes the point tracker, they have the option to turn it off.

If this is for two-player then you are exactly the kind of player I'm making this suggestion to. Currently I wouldn't sit down at your table, because I wouldn't know if you were gonna #vpoff me. If you followed my suggestion I would sit down at your table. (For multiplayer it doesn't work of course, because the vpoffer could be some other player anyway.)

I thought about this problem a lot back in the iso days.  I had a weak preference FOR playing with the point tracker (at that point part of the Dominion client itself -- I'm not referencing the deck-tracking extension from those iso days).

But you could only choose auto match to find games where the point tracker was "allowed (or no preference)" or games where the point tracker was "disallowed (or no preference)."  Essentially, all players were pigeon-holed into one of three categories:

I must have the point tracker, and will only play an automatched game with it enabled.
I will have either the point tracker or no point tracker, and will play an automatched game with it enabled or disabled.
I must NOT have the point tracker, and will only play an automatched game with it disabled.


However, I think a slight modification would have been perfect for me:

I must have the point tracker, and will only play an automatched game with it enabled.
I would like to have the point tracker, but will still play an automatched game without it if my opponent has a preference against it.
I will have either the point tracker or no point tracker, and will play an automatched game with it enabled or disabled.
I would like to NOT have the point tracker, but will still play an automatched game with it if my opponent has a preference for it.
I must NOT have the point tracker, and will only play an automatched game with it disabled.

My ideal, back in the iso days, was to have this "weak preference" indicator.  If I indicated a strong preference, all of my matches would have the point counter.  If I indicated a strong preference against, all of my matches would not have it.  If I did not indicate a preference, and I was matched up with someone else who also didn't have a preference, we would play with no point counter. =(

Whereas, if I had a weak preference for the point counter (line 2 from my modifications), then we would still play with the point counter since my opponent had no preference either way.

I guess what I'm saying is that I had a preference, it just wasn't a make-or-break deal that iso pigeon-holed me into if I wanted to play with the point counter.

I like your idea.

[blueblimp]

Or in other words,
Require On
Prefer On
Don't Care
Prefer Off
Require Off

Matches between Require-On and Require-Off would be prevented. Only unclear thing is what to do when a Prefer-On meets a Prefer-Off--does it go on or off? All the other pairings are clear.

[Awaclus]

Matches between Require-On and Require-Off would be prevented. Only unclear thing is what to do when a Prefer-On meets a Prefer-Off--does it go on or off?

Use the preference of the host.

[Schneau]

Or in other words,
Require On
Prefer On
Don't Care
Prefer Off
Require Off

Matches between Require-On and Require-Off would be prevented. Only unclear thing is what to do when a Prefer-On meets a Prefer-Off--does it go on or off? All the other pairings are clear.

I'd say drop "Don't Care" -- otherwise, it's also unclear what to do if two of them meet. Plus, "Prefer On" and "Prefer Off" are basically "Don't Care" since they can be paired with anyone anyway.

[qmech]

Perhaps we just need more options?

"Prefer on unless you prefer off, in which case by all means."
"Prefer off unless you prefer on, in which case I'm happy to do that."

These would be particularly useful for British players.  There remains the problem of what to do if two British players meet.

[Schneau]

Perhaps we just need more options?

"Prefer on unless you prefer off, in which case by all means."
"Prefer off unless you prefer on, in which case I'm happy to do that."

These would be particularly useful for British players.  There remains the problem of what to do if two British players meet.

Wouldn't they just say "Are you ok?" and "Doing quite well" and agree to have some tea instead of playing Dominion?

[Ozle]

Perhaps we just need more options?

"Prefer on unless you prefer off, in which case by all means."
"Prefer off unless you prefer on, in which case I'm happy to do that."

These would be particularly useful for British players.  There remains the problem of what to do if two British players meet.

Wouldn't they just say "Are you ok?" and "Doing quite well" and agree to have some tea instead of playing Dominion?

Wait do you mean you lot pay Dominion WITHOUT Tea?
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