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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #950 on: December 05, 2013, 05:41:55 pm »

Pingpongsam should not stop an ashersky lynch.
Targeting mail-mi, and having box voyeur it is a better way to confirm pps claim.

Why are we listening to you at all?  What makes you any more trustworthy than anyone else?

My goal is that people should listen to because I make sense.

1. Currently, much of the evidense is against you.
2. Robin hood not being mentioned in QT-flavour. Just like other scum fakeclaims.
3. The missing nightkill.
4. Voltgloss not being modkilled.
And how you are flailing lately, desperately trying to paint everybody scummy in an attempt to get more people into lynchrange.

As for the rest of this list.

1.  There is no evidence, at all.  We don't have guilty results on anyone.  In fact, neither chairs nor I, the claimed cops, have any results of value due to the LR being popped.
2.  No one is mentioned in QT flavor.  I've yet to see anyone's name in any flavor.  Also, the flavor is pretty easy to fake or adjust to include whatever you want.
3.  Missing, or delayed?  Or changed?  As someone mentioned, it looked like it was possible to change from one type to another.  Or maybe scum has the option to change how they kill when they want?  Or it is X-shots?  So many possibilities.
4.  Arch had a replacement in place.  I offered to sub in days before I actually joined.  He was holding out for a player who hadn't already been in the game.  Voltgloss hasn't been replaced in his other game, either.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #951 on: December 05, 2013, 05:59:28 pm »

And how you are flailing lately, desperately trying to paint everybody scummy in an attempt to get more people into lynchrange.

Where does this come from?  I've literally voted for one player the entire day.  How that could possible be "desperately trying to paint everybody scummy in an attempt to get more people into lynchrange" I have no idea.

Please, explain that statement.  Just try.  It is impossible.  A fallacy.  A lie.

I have voted for chairs, and stated scum reads on faust and PPS.  Where are you getting "lynchrange" from?  Where are you getting "paint everybody scummy" from?

This is you being ridiculous, anti-town, and possibly even scummy.  You see an easy mislynch here and are trying to force it through with lies.

Go ahead, see if you can explain that statement.

You have voted chairs all day, and that is fair considering your competing claims.

What I am talking about is:
- you continuing to mention mail-man is often a scum-role, so faust is probably scum.
- your scumread on pps.
-trying to question morgrims result on box, and more than once mentioning lightningrod is often scum on f.ds.
-the "do not trust Xeiron" attitude through the last page or two.

Mail-mi is the only one you apparently accept as town.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #952 on: December 05, 2013, 06:08:21 pm »

I have a plan!
1. We lynch Ashersky
2. During night
    Chairs investigates mail-mi (the only one worth investigating)
    faust sends a letter to mail-mi (for max use of Box' power)
    pps targets mail-mi (same reson)
    Box  uses the voyeur power on mail-mi
    mail-mi accepts chairs stealing (does not guess correct name)
   
vote: ashersky
I want the opinions of everyone on this plan,
and your consent to use you nightaction in this way.

Obviously Ashersky is against it. Do the rest agree?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #953 on: December 05, 2013, 06:31:30 pm »

I have a plan!
1. We lynch Ashersky
2. During night
    Chairs investigates mail-mi (the only one worth investigating)
    faust sends a letter to mail-mi (for max use of Box' power)
    pps targets mail-mi (same reson)
    Box  uses the voyeur power on mail-mi
    mail-mi accepts chairs stealing (does not guess correct name)
   
vote: ashersky
I want the opinions of everyone on this plan,
and your consent to use you nightaction in this way.

Obviously Ashersky is against it. Do the rest agree?

Sounds pretty reasonable, actually.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #954 on: December 05, 2013, 06:34:27 pm »

The only thing that I don't like about the plan is that my power is wasted since mail-mi is the last person anyone is going to lynch. Also if mail-mi is scum we are toast. PPE at vet on phone.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #955 on: December 05, 2013, 06:37:26 pm »

I have a plan!
1. We lynch Ashersky
2. During night
    Chairs investigates mail-mi (the only one worth investigating)
    faust sends a letter to mail-mi (for max use of Box' power)
    pps targets mail-mi (same reson)
    Box  uses the voyeur power on mail-mi
    mail-mi accepts chairs stealing (does not guess correct name)
   
vote: ashersky
I want the opinions of everyone on this plan,
and your consent to use you nightaction in this way.

Obviously Ashersky is against it. Do the rest agree?
I also quite like it. Except, if scum is chairs/PPS/Faust, (most likely) they will either have to kill me (not bad) or give themselves away.

Well, then you're an IC. Not too bad.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #956 on: December 05, 2013, 06:44:17 pm »

The only thing that I don't like about the plan is that my power is wasted since mail-mi is the last person anyone is going to lynch. Also if mail-mi is scum we are toast. PPE at vet on phone.

If mail-mi is scum, we have a chance of finding out with chairs investigation.
Otherwise, yes your power is useless on mail-mi, but as you said earlier it is pretty useless anyway after your claim.
Letting box confirm your claim is the best you can do with it.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #957 on: December 05, 2013, 07:46:26 pm »

Mod confirmation that my power ends the day and as I read it the failed lynch would only be evident the next day.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #958 on: December 05, 2013, 07:54:40 pm »

Vote Count 1.2

chairs (1) ashersky
ashersky (2) chairs, xeiron
pingpongsam (2) faust, mail-mi

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, BoxOfDog

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 ends on Friday the 13th

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #959 on: December 05, 2013, 09:17:26 pm »

UUUGHH.

This entire thing just keeps drawing on.. For pitty sake.
I just got back home, and had to read through five pages of bickering between Ashersky and Pingpong. Two people I suspect.

Someone just vote for Ash and I'll finish the job, I'm safe enough.
(Also, Ash has already made his claim and defended himself PLENTY. Suddenly killing him off would have no effect, seeing as we have all the information we need to analyze.)
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #960 on: December 05, 2013, 10:04:00 pm »

UUUGHH.

This entire thing just keeps drawing on.. For pitty sake.
I just got back home, and had to read through five pages of bickering between Ashersky and Pingpong. Two people I suspect.

Someone just vote for Ash and I'll finish the job, I'm safe enough.
(Also, Ash has already made his claim and defended himself PLENTY. Suddenly killing him off would have no effect, seeing as we have all the information we need to analyze.)

If you want to vote ash then do so. Why would I throw the vote on him when he might flip town and then you are calling for my head tomorrow because you suspect me?

Why, exactly, do you suspect me?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #961 on: December 05, 2013, 10:30:13 pm »

UUUGHH.

This entire thing just keeps drawing on.. For pitty sake.
I just got back home, and had to read through five pages of bickering between Ashersky and Pingpong. Two people I suspect.

Someone just vote for Ash and I'll finish the job, I'm safe enough.
(Also, Ash has already made his claim and defended himself PLENTY. Suddenly killing him off would have no effect, seeing as we have all the information we need to analyze.)

Can I get on record here as saying you popping your LR was not a good idea?  You threw everything off and actually made it harder to catch scum.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #962 on: December 05, 2013, 10:30:49 pm »

Mod confirmation that my power ends the day and as I read it the failed lynch would only be evident the next day.

Would we get a flip?  I have to imagine not, or it makes your power crazy strong.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #963 on: December 06, 2013, 12:52:52 am »

UUUGHH.

This entire thing just keeps drawing on.. For pitty sake.
I just got back home, and had to read through five pages of bickering between Ashersky and Pingpong. Two people I suspect.

Someone just vote for Ash and I'll finish the job, I'm safe enough.
(Also, Ash has already made his claim and defended himself PLENTY. Suddenly killing him off would have no effect, seeing as we have all the information we need to analyze.)

Can I get on record here as saying you popping your LR was not a good idea?  You threw everything off and actually made it harder to catch scum.
Popping my LR?

That saved me, chairs, AND you.
Why in the WORLD would I not reveal, seeing as it made me an IC?
Jeeze la' wheeze.
vote: ash
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #964 on: December 06, 2013, 01:03:04 am »

UUUGHH.

This entire thing just keeps drawing on.. For pitty sake.
I just got back home, and had to read through five pages of bickering between Ashersky and Pingpong. Two people I suspect.

Someone just vote for Ash and I'll finish the job, I'm safe enough.
(Also, Ash has already made his claim and defended himself PLENTY. Suddenly killing him off would have no effect, seeing as we have all the information we need to analyze.)

Can I get on record here as saying you popping your LR was not a good idea?  You threw everything off and actually made it harder to catch scum.
Popping my LR?

That saved me, chairs, AND you.
Why in the WORLD would I not reveal, seeing as it made me an IC?
Jeeze la' wheeze.
vote: ash

It didn't save anyone.  Well, maybe it saved whomever was being NKed, since it would redirect it to you, but chairs and I weren't saved by you.

We were investigating each other, and we both ended up investigating you.  That's what I'm saying is the problem.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #965 on: December 06, 2013, 02:05:56 am »

UUUGHH.

This entire thing just keeps drawing on.. For pitty sake.
I just got back home, and had to read through five pages of bickering between Ashersky and Pingpong. Two people I suspect.

Someone just vote for Ash and I'll finish the job, I'm safe enough.
(Also, Ash has already made his claim and defended himself PLENTY. Suddenly killing him off would have no effect, seeing as we have all the information we need to analyze.)

Can I get on record here as saying you popping your LR was not a good idea?  You threw everything off and actually made it harder to catch scum.
Popping my LR?

That saved me, chairs, AND you.
Why in the WORLD would I not reveal, seeing as it made me an IC?
Jeeze la' wheeze.
vote: ash

It didn't save anyone.  Well, maybe it saved whomever was being NKed, since it would redirect it to you, but chairs and I weren't saved by you.

We were investigating each other, and we both ended up investigating you.  That's what I'm saying is the problem.
Well, for one thing, HOW would I even know there were MORE cop-like roles?

Complaining about it now gets you no where, it just makes you annoying.
The INTENTION was to PREVENT deaths, which somehow didn't happen.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #966 on: December 06, 2013, 03:13:32 am »

The intention was to prevent deaths and it would have worked (if jimm used a doctor), except that jimm was poisoned N1, and was going to die N2 anyway, and Xerxes was a bodyguard and therefore took the kill for box without taking an eventual doctoring.

So it did not work, but Box couldn't know about the bodyguard so we can't blame him. It was worth a shot.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #967 on: December 06, 2013, 03:17:04 am »

BoxofDOG,
before we finish the day , I want you to agree on targeting mail-mi with your voyeur power during the night.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #968 on: December 06, 2013, 04:50:13 am »

I don't like xeiron's plan. It will only end up in Box dying (that means losing our IC) and us knowing nothing more than that mail-mi is town, something most of us already think.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #969 on: December 06, 2013, 04:54:48 am »

Rereading pps, this struck me:

AFAICT my PM has nothing mysterious about it. It is straight up role description.

Are you saying it contains no flavour?

No, my role is a Grimm character and as such the role description itself is flavorful. However, there is nothing extraneous to the role description. That is, I would be hard pressed to post any portion of it and not reveal the function if not entirety of the role. That said, I have very good reason to believe Archetype selected this very specific flavor name just for me personally. Maybe my mystery lies in that fact, then.

Sandman is NOT a Grimm character. I am very fine with my vote.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #970 on: December 06, 2013, 04:55:38 am »

Also, pps, what is the reason you believe Archetype chose Sandman for you specifically?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #971 on: December 06, 2013, 05:06:14 am »

If we have a day-vig pick one of ashersky and chairs and shoot them. If the vig flips Town we'll lynch the other one.

This plan also doesn't make sense considering pps' claim.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #972 on: December 06, 2013, 05:11:27 am »

Further pps rereading:

- he never pushed EFHW D1. If it was truly his plan to get her to lynching range, why didn't he try?

- D2, he also hardly pushes EFHW or chairs (votes for chairs one time, but only for a short time)

- he generally feels scummy to me. Always tries to keep our lynch pool broad (accusing mail-mi, Jimmmmm, Box). Now his role claim seems to be constructed off this QT snippet: Sand spells instant slumber; it’s spelling may save your life. This of course fits with pps' claim, but scum would of course also try to make claims that fit with QT flavors, so this is pretty null to me.

I say let's just lynch pps, and we can execute some modified version of xeiron's plan afterwards.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #973 on: December 06, 2013, 05:15:37 am »

In fact, why don't we use this modified plan:

1. lynch pps.
2. everyone with targetting ability targets xeiron
3. If xeiron is telling the truth, he is an IC tomorrow and can confirm receiving something from chairs and me, even if Box dies.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #974 on: December 06, 2013, 05:47:13 am »

In fact, why don't we use this modified plan:

1. lynch pps.
2. everyone with targetting ability targets xeiron
3. If xeiron is telling the truth, he is an IC tomorrow and can confirm receiving something from chairs and me, even if Box dies.

1. Ashersky and chairs have too similar claims. Thats why we should lynch one of the two.
Besides, Ashersky is way more scummy than pps.

2. Everyone targeting me, is the same as everyone targeting mail-mi, with one exception.
Chairs might get new info about mail-mi. You will all know my alignment tomorrow anyway.
therefore targeting mail-mi is strictly better. Yes, Box may be killed, but he may be killed no matter what we do. That is not an argument to have him to use his action suboptimally.

3. I have already received a letter from you, And box have something from chairs. Me confirming this again won't help
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