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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #900 on: December 05, 2013, 02:09:50 pm »

Well, I am L-1 so here goes the claim, typing it out now.

Kiss your day power goodbye, Town.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #901 on: December 05, 2013, 02:14:05 pm »

I am the Sandman and my role is governor.

I get to target a person each night and that person is added to a roster of people I can save from lynch after the fact, that is during twilight.

I targeted EFHW N0 so that target was useless when mail-mi shot her (and rightly so).

I targeted chairs N1 and I targeted ashersky N2. So, if either chairs or ashersky were lynched today I have the option to save them.
My plan was to see one of them lynched and then try to get them pre-flip themselves and save a town mislynch in case we went wrong.

So, that plan is foiled, my power is now useless and feel free to kill me it won't make a hill of beans except to secure a win for scum.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #902 on: December 05, 2013, 02:16:57 pm »

A self-hammer feels so appropriate right now.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #903 on: December 05, 2013, 02:21:15 pm »

Ashersky seems to be inconsistent about his role:
Here is his claim:
I am Robin Hood.  I target a player and steal something related to their flavor. 

I'd like to hear how Tom Thumb makes any sense.

But his result is a name, not a item.
No, it doesn't.  He's lying.  He spelled the name wrong, for one, as it is Rumpelstiltskin, not Rumplestiltskin.  Two, Rumpelstiltskin was not a thief at all.  He was a magic imp that did things for you in exchange for things.  No stealing, no "association."

This is a fake claim, probably his provided one.  My investigation returned the Pied Piper as our cop.

And then we have this quote:
Robin Hood has a band of merry men, dude.  Singing and music is integral.
Ashersky tries to explain how sheet notes would make sense for robin hood. Even though it it obvious hat it does not make sense.
Why does he try to explain it when he also claims chairs is lying scum?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #904 on: December 05, 2013, 02:28:00 pm »

I am the Sandman and my role is governor.

I get to target a person each night and that person is added to a roster of people I can save from lynch after the fact, that is during twilight.

I targeted EFHW N0 so that target was useless when mail-mi shot her (and rightly so).

I targeted chairs N1 and I targeted ashersky N2. So, if either chairs or ashersky were lynched today I have the option to save them.
My plan was to see one of them lynched and then try to get them pre-flip themselves and save a town mislynch in case we went wrong.

So, that plan is foiled, my power is now useless and feel free to kill me it won't make a hill of beans except to secure a win for scum.

Why would lynching you secure a win for scum?

And if you save someone. Is it a no-lynch? or can we lynch someone else?
Is the role 1-shot?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #905 on: December 05, 2013, 02:35:46 pm »

The role is not specified as being one shot. Considering the likelihood of targeting the people to be saved and them being lynched multiple times in the same game is very low it is effectively one shot. Also, upoon preventing a lynch my roster of names is flushed so I have to start over, so yeah it is neutered to effectively one-shot.

I do not know for sure if it is no-lynch in case I save them. I never asked and it wasn't included in my PM. It simply says the lynch will fail.

Lynching me means a town mislynch and likely two scum NKs going into D4 with 4 people and all of our roles exposed. I feel that if we mislynch today then Town has lost which is ridiculous considering how well we started.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #906 on: December 05, 2013, 02:39:46 pm »

Ashersky seems to be inconsistent about his role:
Here is his claim:
I am Robin Hood.  I target a player and steal something related to their flavor. 

I'd like to hear how Tom Thumb makes any sense.

But his result is a name, not a item.
No, it doesn't.  He's lying.  He spelled the name wrong, for one, as it is Rumpelstiltskin, not Rumplestiltskin.  Two, Rumpelstiltskin was not a thief at all.  He was a magic imp that did things for you in exchange for things.  No stealing, no "association."

This is a fake claim, probably his provided one.  My investigation returned the Pied Piper as our cop.

And then we have this quote:
Robin Hood has a band of merry men, dude.  Singing and music is integral.
Ashersky tries to explain how sheet notes would make sense for robin hood. Even though it it obvious hat it does not make sense.
Why does he try to explain it when he also claims chairs is lying scum?

Excellent point.

vote: ashersky.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #907 on: December 05, 2013, 02:47:53 pm »

Ashersky seems to be inconsistent about his role:
Here is his claim:
I am Robin Hood.  I target a player and steal something related to their flavor. 

I'd like to hear how Tom Thumb makes any sense.

But his result is a name, not a item.
No, it doesn't.  He's lying.  He spelled the name wrong, for one, as it is Rumpelstiltskin, not Rumplestiltskin.  Two, Rumpelstiltskin was not a thief at all.  He was a magic imp that did things for you in exchange for things.  No stealing, no "association."

This is a fake claim, probably his provided one.  My investigation returned the Pied Piper as our cop.

And then we have this quote:
Robin Hood has a band of merry men, dude.  Singing and music is integral.
Ashersky tries to explain how sheet notes would make sense for robin hood. Even though it it obvious hat it does not make sense.
Why does he try to explain it when he also claims chairs is lying scum?

Excellent point.

vote: ashersky.

No, terrible point.

Box has unfortunately saved your skin, chairs.  He gives you a plausible reason to have the results you have, as well as explaining how you are lying.

As for xeiron's post, I claimed flavor cop.  The flavorful way in which I receive that matches my character.  If you read my results PM, you'd understand.  And as to why I would explain how my innocent role could be related to sheet music, who not?  Chairs was making shit up, literally choosing a thing.  I was naming a specific character.  Which one is easier to fake?  I claimed Robin Hood the day before, so he just needed something close to claim.

Now, it turns out a Lightning Rod messed all results up.

What has come out now is that chairs LIED yesterday.  He claimed flavor cop, but today switches to inventor?  If he's lying as town, fuck man, that has got to stop on f.ds.  Or he's scum.

My vote stays on chairs.  He's either scum that needs to die or lying town who needs to policy die.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #908 on: December 05, 2013, 02:49:39 pm »

tl;dr scum should just claim now, I think we've won.

And this is so, so scummy.  Possibly the scumminess post in the history of f.ds mafia.  Someone nominate this for an award.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #909 on: December 05, 2013, 02:54:16 pm »

Ashersky seems to be inconsistent about his role:
Here is his claim:
I am Robin Hood.  I target a player and steal something related to their flavor. 

I'd like to hear how Tom Thumb makes any sense.

But his result is a name, not a item.
No, it doesn't.  He's lying.  He spelled the name wrong, for one, as it is Rumpelstiltskin, not Rumplestiltskin.  Two, Rumpelstiltskin was not a thief at all.  He was a magic imp that did things for you in exchange for things.  No stealing, no "association."

This is a fake claim, probably his provided one.  My investigation returned the Pied Piper as our cop.

And then we have this quote:
Robin Hood has a band of merry men, dude.  Singing and music is integral.
Ashersky tries to explain how sheet notes would make sense for robin hood. Even though it it obvious hat it does not make sense.
Why does he try to explain it when he also claims chairs is lying scum?

Excellent point.

vote: ashersky.

No, terrible point.

Box has unfortunately saved your skin, chairs.  He gives you a plausible reason to have the results you have, as well as explaining how you are lying.

As for xeiron's post, I claimed flavor cop.  The flavorful way in which I receive that matches my character.  If you read my results PM, you'd understand.  And as to why I would explain how my innocent role could be related to sheet music, who not?  Chairs was making shit up, literally choosing a thing.  I was naming a specific character.  Which one is easier to fake?  I claimed Robin Hood the day before, so he just needed something close to claim.

Now, it turns out a Lightning Rod messed all results up.

What has come out now is that chairs LIED yesterday.  He claimed flavor cop, but today switches to inventor?  If he's lying as town, fuck man, that has got to stop on f.ds.  Or he's scum.

My vote stays on chairs.  He's either scum that needs to die or lying town who needs to policy die.

It's not false that I have a flavor cop power - as a subset of my ability.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #910 on: December 05, 2013, 03:22:12 pm »

The role is not specified as being one shot. Considering the likelihood of targeting the people to be saved and them being lynched multiple times in the same game is very low it is effectively one shot. Also, upoon preventing a lynch my roster of names is flushed so I have to start over, so yeah it is neutered to effectively one-shot.

I do not know for sure if it is no-lynch in case I save them. I never asked and it wasn't included in my PM. It simply says the lynch will fail.

Lynching me means a town mislynch and likely two scum NKs going into D4 with 4 people and all of our roles exposed. I feel that if we mislynch today then Town has lost which is ridiculous considering how well we started.

I do not think the situation has to be that bad.
We do not necessarily have two nightkills left in the game.

Lets have a look at the facts.
Jimmmmms role indicate three types of kills:
Arsonist kills, poison kills, and normal kills.


Purple poisons the well
Activates the dead at the sound of a yell

Shattered glass ignites the flame
A burning desire that only love can tame


This snippets indicate that purple allignment (EFHW) do use poison.
Team purple is targeted Jimm N1. This is the only explanation of Jimmmms death, as all other kills would have been directed by lightningrod to Box, and then further by bodyguard to Xerxes.
The snippet also indicates that the arsonist (fire) NK may be activated during the game.

My guess is. EFHW is on a team alone, and kills by poison.
When she dies(Maleficent - magic orb - shatterd glass - dead)  , Big Bad Asherskys arsonist kill is activated. (Ashersky is the red team = fire, and "thinks maybe" he have a nightkill)
In addition to these two, we have a third scumteam of one or two scum that uses a standard nightkill.
The last team targeted Box N1 (protected by morgrim) or no-one (if Voltgloss was the one to submit a kill)
Do we know of other ways to stop a kill?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #911 on: December 05, 2013, 03:24:12 pm »

Chairs, you purposefully meddled the town yesterday.  It may not have been "false" technically, but that's exactly how scum lies.  They use half-truths to be more believable.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #912 on: December 05, 2013, 03:25:38 pm »

Meddled = misled
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #913 on: December 05, 2013, 03:31:29 pm »

Chairs, you purposefully meddled the town yesterday.  It may not have been "false" technically, but that's exactly how scum lies.  They use half-truths to be more believable.

I had no intent of misleading town yesterday.  If there was any misleading, it was unintentional.  My "thieving" part of my role is not the same as the "inventor" part of my role and the inventor side isn't particularly relevant.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #914 on: December 05, 2013, 03:36:10 pm »

Chairs, you purposefully meddled the town yesterday.  It may not have been "false" technically, but that's exactly how scum lies.  They use half-truths to be more believable.

I had no intent of misleading town yesterday.  If there was any misleading, it was unintentional.  My "thieving" part of my role is not the same as the "inventor" part of my role and the inventor side isn't particularly relevant.

Inventor is your role.  Thieving is a modifier.  Town's best play is absolutely claiming inventor and hiding the thieving part so as to catch scum.  You did not do that and instead tried to buy town cred by claiming the towniest part of the role.

Which is all just yo say you are lying scum with a similar role (probably role cop, given the roles in this game) or (less likely) lying town that needs to be policy lynched.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #915 on: December 05, 2013, 03:41:21 pm »

Ashersky, can we please have your QT-flavor?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #916 on: December 05, 2013, 03:43:11 pm »

Shadows cover the land
Let me take you by the hand

Here is the one you want
The one who is sure to haunt

Another will come unto you and chide
A tune to turn the tide

At least you reach the town
Where friends and foes abound

A deadly assassin
Will at last then

Eliminate the final gasp of hope
At the hands of the one who evades the rope


Hence why I asked about rope.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #917 on: December 05, 2013, 03:43:45 pm »

iPad italics fail.  It was all italicized in the QT.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #918 on: December 05, 2013, 03:43:57 pm »

ashersky really seems to be tunneling chairs.

I feel that it is 50/50 that one of them is scum and I would wager ashersky to be the scum simply because of his driving chairs.

I have to admit the possibility that they are both town. Pushing the ashersky vs chairs line is practically useless to me at this point because I'll never get a straight answer out of a scum in twilight since Town just had to force me to claim. If we looked at other possibilities we might get different reads on our candidates but no, it's just going be ashersky incessantly pushing chairs.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #919 on: December 05, 2013, 03:45:48 pm »

ashersky really seems to be tunneling chairs.

I feel that it is 50/50 that one of them is scum and I would wager ashersky to be the scum simply because of his driving chairs.

I have to admit the possibility that they are both town. Pushing the ashersky vs chairs line is practically useless to me at this point because I'll never get a straight answer out of a scum in twilight since Town just had to force me to claim. If we looked at other possibilities we might get different reads on our candidates but no, it's just going be ashersky incessantly pushing chairs.

But chairs isn't tunneling me?  Really?

Faust and you are my other scum reads.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #920 on: December 05, 2013, 04:03:56 pm »

What, exactly, is scummy about me?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #921 on: December 05, 2013, 04:06:33 pm »

What, exactly, is scummy about me?

Up until the claim, being unwilling to claim.

After the claim, having a basically unverifiable claim.  The ability to choose multiple people a night strikes me as very unlikely, anyway.

Plus, you remind me of when we were scum together in Monster Madness.

Bonus, you somehow decided it wasn't a good idea to vote for me on D1 AFTER I came clean about being scum.  Until things played out the way they have, I thought you might have been my secret partner.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #922 on: December 05, 2013, 04:07:44 pm »

What, exactly, is scummy about me?

And even though you didn't ask, faust remains scummy because mailman is scummy.  And then he claims to not have sent a note last night?  Not buying it.

So, I'd say, most likely to end the game for us now:

lynch chairs > lynch faust > lynch PPS

If that didn't work, I don't know.  Scum Lightning Rod is like an f.ds meme, so maybe Box?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #923 on: December 05, 2013, 04:13:51 pm »

My role dictated that I not claim. I'm pissed I had to claim but I completely understand why Town turned on me for being the last to have claimed. I was always against the massclaim specifically for that reason.

If you want to verify my claim vote yourself to a lynch and I'll save you, then I'll be IC and you will still be alive.

I opposed your D1 lynch because you hazard such audacious play I thought it feasible it was a bluff just to smack Town for having pushed you so hard.

I'm down for putting some pressure on faust, he has kept me suspicious the entire game. I think he is playing a solid game regardless of alignment. It is practically inscrutable. I am total agreement that mailman is in no way a redeeming attribute.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #924 on: December 05, 2013, 04:19:45 pm »

I have a plan!
1. We lynch Ashersky
2. During night
    Chairs investigates mail-mi (the only one worth investigating)
    faust sends a letter to mail-mi (for max use of Box' power)
    pps targets mail-mi (same reson)
    Box  uses the voyeur power on mail-mi
    mail-mi accepts chairs stealing (does not guess correct name)
   
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