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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #400 on: November 21, 2013, 03:08:59 am »

Let me do a semi-claim.

I am Rapunzel, an [REDACTED] Ascetic. That means that any non-killing night actions targeting me will fail. I'm telling you this because I think it's far more likely town would target me with non-killing actions than scum, and that would not be helpful. My role may or may not have some kind of resctriction tied on it.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #401 on: November 21, 2013, 03:22:11 am »

Well, we don't have a whole lot to analyze here I think. D1 was an obvious lynch, and noone was killed N1, which I think means that scum targeted one of Jimmmmm/EFHW, who was correctly protected. I don't like Morgrim hammering that fast, but as I've heard, it's just what he does. PPS opposed the ashersky lynch short before the deadline, which reads more like cautious town to me.

Everyone should be reminded though that ashersky could have a partner, and was just lying to protect them. FWIW, I think the flavor text ash provided is not fabricated; it matches up with what I know.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #402 on: November 21, 2013, 05:07:10 am »

Why on earth would anyone claim scum?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #403 on: November 21, 2013, 06:32:00 am »

Did anyone have something bad happen to them last Night?

Nothing is in my QT, that doesn't mean someone didn't hex me or something that I am not aware of yet.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #404 on: November 21, 2013, 06:39:34 am »

Why on earth would anyone claim scum?

While this is terrible play, here is a line of reasoning I suspected ashersky of yesterday. Scum would most likely wagon the too easy scum-claimer. D1 is the least damaging day to pull the stunt. Thus, town is provided with a D1 wagon that is highly likely to be scum.

That he was evidently a Wolf and thus a 3rd faction presents an entirely different outlay for D2. I would expect the Wolf faction to have at least 2 members otherwise wouldn't a more apropos flavour be SK?

My take on the ashersky seppuku? Based on the results of RMM9 I'd have to say ashersky doesn't want to play at all once he finds himself in a real corner. Were it me in that D1 position I would have lied through my teeth if for no other reason than to throw as much confusion into D2 after my death as possible. No way I would publicly throw in the towel and admit my alignment for a guaranteed lynch. RMM9 was an entirely different matter and may be unfair to correlate but I think I see a pattern emerging.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #405 on: November 21, 2013, 09:33:24 am »

Let me do a semi-claim.

I am Rapunzel, an [REDACTED] Ascetic. That means that any non-killing night actions targeting me will fail. I'm telling you this because I think it's far more likely town would target me with non-killing actions than scum, and that would not be helpful. My role may or may not have some kind of resctriction tied on it.

I am not sure if it was smart of Faust to claim. Now scum knows hat he cannot be protected at night, should they want to kill him.
I hope Faust have thought of that before he decided to claim.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #406 on: November 21, 2013, 09:44:30 am »

Ashersky seems to be part of a scumteam based on the flip.
He said he was third-party but I do not think he spoke the truth there.

I am most suspicious of Voltgloss and PingPongSam at this moment.
Both was off-wagon, and more or less outside the spotlight during D1.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #407 on: November 21, 2013, 09:49:32 am »

Voltgloss is notably absent which is raising my suspicions on him.

I was off-wagon but I'm not exactly sure how I'm categorized as out of the spotlight. What do you mean by that?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #408 on: November 21, 2013, 09:55:51 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #409 on: November 21, 2013, 10:12:41 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #410 on: November 21, 2013, 10:14:13 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?

The person with the most powerful role or the person we're most likely to mislynch.

I guess that doesn't answer your question. I'll have a look.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #411 on: November 21, 2013, 10:15:05 am »

Volt I guess?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #412 on: November 21, 2013, 10:28:16 am »

Voltgloss is notably absent which is raising my suspicions on him.

I was off-wagon but I'm not exactly sure how I'm categorized as out of the spotlight. What do you mean by that?

Among the two of you, I agree Voltgloss has been the most absent.

When I still categorize you as outside the spotlight, I mean that you have not been he center of talk during the day, nor have you come with any posts that starts a discussion or otherwise attract lots of attention.

The people I would say have been in the spotlight is Ashersky, Jimm, EFHW, mail-mi and faust. This is fewer than normal, and the reason is probably that Ashersky claimed scum and caused the day to end early.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #413 on: November 21, 2013, 10:29:51 am »

Ashersky seems to be part of a scumteam based on the flip.
He said he was third-party but I do not think he spoke the truth there.

I had the same thought, but I don't think Ashersky would cave if he had teammates.  He would still have a chance of winning then, and would try to get it.  His being godfather/ninja points to an SK kind of role.  It's important for SK to have some buffs! 
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #414 on: November 21, 2013, 10:30:22 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?

pingpongsam or Voltgloss would help most in my eyes in order to minimize the lynch pool.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #415 on: November 21, 2013, 10:32:00 am »

also, there's the expression "lone wolf"!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #416 on: November 21, 2013, 10:32:20 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?

Not me!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #417 on: November 21, 2013, 10:33:22 am »

I directly opposed the most obvious lynch. I'd call that attracting attention and thus being in the spotlight. Were I Mafia I would have either been on wagon or off and quiet. Now, I can see why my behavior might indicate I was ashersky's partner.  I recall directly implicating ashersky as being the axe-thief which would be truly terrible play of me if I were his partner.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #418 on: November 21, 2013, 10:37:00 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?

Not me!

That is a joke, of course.  I would be happy to serve as town's IC should the occasion arise.  But, yeah, the currently most suspicious person would be the best IC.  Maybe faust?  Xeiron's right that he put himself at greater risk with his claim, so maybe he knows he wouldn't actually be in any danger, AND doesn't want to have interfering town powers directed at him.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #419 on: November 21, 2013, 10:39:49 am »

Yeah, I reviewed. I joined the ashersky wagon at exactly the same time as xeiron implicating ashersky of being the axe-thief. So, if we are going to twist that into me being ashersky's partner by way of conflating it with staying out of the spotlight, despite my direct opposition to his lynch in the end... I will have to seriously question xeiron's alignment.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #420 on: November 21, 2013, 10:40:31 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?

Not me!

That is a joke, of course.  I would be happy to serve as town's IC should the occasion arise.  But, yeah, the currently most suspicious person would be the best IC.  Maybe faust?  Xeiron's right that he put himself at greater risk with his claim, so maybe he knows he wouldn't actually be in any danger, AND doesn't want to have interfering town powers directed at him.

You want me to be the IC? Me, who cannot be protected at night?

Also, you can trust that I've thought this claim through well, and came to the conclusion that it was the best thing to do.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #421 on: November 21, 2013, 10:41:09 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?

Not me!

That is a joke, of course.  I would be happy to serve as town's IC should the occasion arise.  But, yeah, the currently most suspicious person would be the best IC.  Maybe faust?  Xeiron's right that he put himself at greater risk with his claim, so maybe he knows he wouldn't actually be in any danger, AND doesn't want to have interfering town powers directed at him.

You want me to be the IC? Me, who cannot be protected at night?

Also, you can trust that I've thought this claim through well, and came to the conclusion that it was the best thing to do.

good point. 
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #422 on: November 21, 2013, 10:43:40 am »

So, xeiron, why have you dropped your line of questioning about Jimmmm's allusion to xerxes being scum?

Jimmmm, what became of your allusions that xerxes might be scum?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #423 on: November 21, 2013, 10:46:55 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?

I don't think it makes sense that you or EFHW are ash's partners. If this were the case, the one of you that is ash's partner wouldn't have put him in the corner like that by claiming. The only possibility that makes sense is that you are both his partners and the whole thing was staged, but I don't believe scum would make such a bold move.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #424 on: November 21, 2013, 10:49:04 am »

So, xeiron, why have you dropped your line of questioning about Jimmmm's allusion to xerxes being scum?

Jimmmm, what became of your allusions that xerxes might be scum?

Oh right that. I had and have no particular reason to believe he is scum - I saw someone I hadn't played before and thought seeing how he'd react to some pressure was better than RVS.
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